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post #2851 of 8788
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Originally Posted by bcterp View Post
I had a 2009 Mits DLP and used Optoma and Xpand DLP-Link glasses as well as the Mitsubishi kit glasses with this TV. I sold it and now have a 2010 Mits TV and currently have the Mitsubishi kit glasses and the Xpand X103 glasses. For what it's worth here are my thoughts for a 2010 model:

The DLP-Link glasses are best for the 2009 and earlier Mitsubishi 3D-ready TV's. IMHO they are not the best choice for a 2010 model. They are much less comfortable. CFL lighting (especially overhead) causes serious interference with the sync, more so than emitter glasses. They have occasional sync issues not due to CFL's, bright high contrast scenes can wash out the DLP-Link flash and cause brief but distracting flickering. One big problem in my opinion is that the polarization of the lenses on the currently available DLP-Link glasses is rotated 45 degrees as compared to emitter glasses. This causes static polarization rainbows due to the plastic screen. See my older post for an example:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post19107930

I currently have 2 Mitsubishi glasses and 2 X103 glasses that I use with my 2010 73738. Both use the Mitsubishi emitter from the 3D kit. The X103 glasses have a bit less ghosting. Ghosting doesn't happen too often on these DLP's but when it does I definitely see more ghosting with the Mitsubishi glasses. Also the X103 glasses produce a warmer tone to colors. My personal preference is the X103 glasses in this regard.

I always use the X103's for my personal viewing and keep the Mitsubishi glasses for guests. The Mitsubishi glasses aren't bad by any means but I definitely prefer the X103's. If you're not too picky then extra glasses can be bought on ebay for cheap. The Samsung 3D starter kit glasses are the exact same thing as the Mitsubishi glasses, just rebranded. They will work with the Mitsubishi emitter, a Samsung kit (2 glasses plus 3D movie) can be had for about $150.

Hope this helps.

so the x103 will work with the emitter then? i thought the red ones were 102 and the black ones were 103... 3 denoting black and 2 denoting red.

also as far as the samsung 3d glasses go.. whats is the difference between ssg-2100x or 2100t or 2100x/za.... My mitsubishi 3d glasses are ssg-2100mg/za .... does one model number performce better than the other?

where can the samsung glassed be had for 150?
post #2852 of 8788
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Originally Posted by dmighty View Post
Cant seem to find this in 3D. I check amazon and best buy.
You have a link for purchase

Thanks
It's a Samsung exclusive, I downloaded it to watch it. However, if you want to purchase it then I would suggest ebay. There are several listed in the $40+ range. IMHO, it's the best 3d animated movie I have seen to date...
post #2853 of 8788
Went tonight to hhgregg and was looking to buy the 60738. Price was higher then it was just 3 days before. So I talked with a manager and they lowered it to $1,249. Then said I seen online that a store close buy had a online coupon that knocked like $600 off. And thought about just going there. In the end they worked it out that the tv was $999.99 and I paid 299.99 for 3 years of service. So $1,377 after tax, plus its before the 21st so I can send in for the glasses I believe. Overall very happy.

Looking forward to gaming in 3D. Thanks to you all on here for your opinions. Hope I am as happy as you all are.
post #2854 of 8788
Well... I tried out the Free 3d video which is an I max dinosaur movie and the TV will not display correctly for it. Its a top/bottom 3d type. left eye can see it but the right eye is black. I guess I will still need my converter box for my U-verse 3d. (I never watch it anyway lol) I am able to watch my blu ray player directly through the tv.
post #2855 of 8788
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Originally Posted by import2nr View Post
so the x103 will work with the emitter then? i thought the red ones were 102 and the black ones were 103... 3 denoting black and 2 denoting red.

also as far as the samsung 3d glasses go.. whats is the difference between ssg-2100x or 2100t or 2100x/za... My mitsubishi 3d glasses are ssg-2100mg/za .... does one model number performce better than the other?

where can the samsung glassed be had for 150?
The X102 glasses are DLP-Link only and are different than the X103 glasses. The X103's are universal 3d glasses and work with the Mitsubishi emitter. They will also work with pretty much every 3D TV that is currently out, such as Samsung, LG, Sony and Panasonic. The software in the glasses can recognize the different IR codes that the different manufacturer's use.

The Mitsubishi glasses are the exact same as the Samsung SSG-2100AB glasses.

"ssg-2100x or 2100t or 2100x/za" are the different names of the Samsung 3D kits. The difference is the 3D movie or movies included in each. They all contain the same SSG-2100AB glasses. There are also rechargable and kids glasses that Samsung sells. These will work as well with the Mitsubishi emitter but are not sold in a kit. As far as I know there is no performance difference.

There are Samsung 3D kits on ebay (usually open box, sometimes brand new) that sell for about 150 and include Monsters vs Aliens in 3D. The newest kit that contains IMAX movies and How to Train Your Dragon sells for more. These kits are $300 plus at retail stores.
post #2856 of 8788
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Originally Posted by bcterp View Post
The X102 glasses are DLP-Link only and are different than the X103 glasses. The X103's are universal 3d glasses and work with the Mitsubishi emitter. They will also work with pretty much every 3D TV that is currently out, such as Samsung, LG, Sony and Panasonic. The software in the glasses can recognize the different IR codes that the different manufacturer's use.

The Mitsubishi glasses are the exact same as the Samsung SSG-2100AB glasses.

"ssg-2100x or 2100t or 2100x/za" are the different names of the Samsung 3D kits. The difference is the 3D movie or movies included in each. They all contain the same SSG-2100AB glasses. There are also rechargable and kids glasses that Samsung sells. These will work as well with the Mitsubishi emitter but are not sold in a kit. As far as I know there is no performance difference.

There are Samsung 3D kits on ebay (usually open box, sometimes brand new) that sell for about 150 and include Monsters vs Aliens in 3D. The newest kit that contains IMAX movies and How to Train Your Dragon sells for more. These kits are $300 plus at retail stores.
Thanks for the info.
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Anybody out there with U-verse get the 3d to work. Im thinking they are going to have to redo something to make this work with U-verse or at least for now .. put the "ON" option back on the 3d menu. As of right now I can no longer watch anything in 3d on my u-verse. I have tried setting the 3d mode to auto and everything in between. Nothing worked SO I figured I would just need to use the converter box in order to watch 3d through u-verse... but no .. I tried setting the converter to top and bottom and also side by side .. but because the TV itself is trying to do its own converting its throwing everything out of whack. This up date sux as far as for U-verse users are concerned. 12.06 + U-verse 3d = No 3d at all with or without converter. I was able to watch it before with my converter at least.
post #2858 of 8788
Guys...Looking for links. I saw a link to a pair of glasses (http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/dlp3dwiglfis.html) but they are not in stock anymore.

For those who have glasses that they like, can you please let me know what I should get? I was two weeks early for the "free" kit so looks like I will have to get everything myself.

Also, if I end up getting glasses that need an emitter, would it be best to get it in a "kit", or buy it separately?
post #2859 of 8788
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Originally Posted by import2nr View Post

Well... I tried out the Free 3d video which is an I max dinosaur movie and the TV will not display correctly for it. Its a top/bottom 3d type. left eye can see it but the right eye is black. I guess I will still need my converter box for my U-verse 3d. (I never watch it anyway lol) I am able to watch my blu ray player directly through the tv.

I am having this problem when trying to view the free 3d DVD that came with the kit. It worked for a moment and now i cant even get it to display in 3D. The emitter powers on so its seeing a 3d input, i assume, but its in 2d. If i power on the glasses, the right eye is completely black and the left shows the 2d displaying..

I have the emitter plugged directly to the TV. I actually just unplugged the TV and now i cant get it to power on.. The status light just blinks

WTF
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With the 12.06 update, do you still have control over brightness, contrast, etc. in the 3D mode? If not, is the picture noticeably darker in that mode?
post #2861 of 8788
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Originally Posted by dmighty View Post

I am having this problem when trying to view the free 3d DVD that came with the kit. It worked for a moment and now i cant even get it to display in 3D. The emitter powers on so its seeing a 3d input, i assume, but its in 2d. If i power on the glasses, the right eye is completely black and the left shows the 2d displaying..

I have the emitter plugged directly to the TV. I actually just unplugged the TV and now i cant get it to power on.. The status light just blinks

WTF

yeah it seems that after I attempt to watch my uverse in 3d and then go to watch my blu ray 3d the blu ray does the same thing .. black on the right eye.

Then I did a reset .. ( hold power button down) and the tv cam back up... I started up my Uverse .. but did not attempt to watch 3d.. then checked to see if the blu ray 3d was functioning properly and it is.. I have no clue whats going on .. but a reset fixed the blu ray problem. I'm checking now to see if just letting the tv power cycle itself off will fix the problem because it did it again. .attempted to watch uverse 3d then went to blu ray 3d and black right eye ... ( hehe.. sounds like mitsubishi is beating me up) .. no but seriously ... wtf???
post #2862 of 8788
Letting it power cycle itself off does the trick as well. Its funny. When I first tried the blu ray for the first time with the new update it worked fine. Then kablamo... its all jacked up.
post #2863 of 8788
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Originally Posted by import2nr View Post

Well... I tried out the Free 3d video which is an I max dinosaur movie and the TV will not display correctly for it. Its a top/bottom 3d type. left eye can see it but the right eye is black. I guess I will still need my converter box for my U-verse 3d. (I never watch it anyway lol) I am able to watch my blu ray player directly through the tv.

Well that's no good, I have Uverse as well and am considering the 82838.
post #2864 of 8788
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Originally Posted by dmighty View Post

Well my AVR receiver doesn't appear to be able to pass thru the 3D signal
I have a onkyo HT-RC160. Time to upgrade as i dont want to run everything directly to the TV. Anyone out there using an Onkyo? Any recommendations

Thanks

I just updated to firmware 12.06 via usb, and tried out the Mitsu glasses and emitter that just came today as well. I guess I will have no use for the 3D adapter, as my Panasonic 300 (set to full hd 3D, not checkerboard) Blu-ray going to my Onkyo 608 to 73738 and emitter straight to tv works just fine.

It looks like your HT-RC160 is hdmi 1.3a, so you would need a Blu-ray player like the Panasonic DMP-BDT100, 300, or 350 that can output checkerboard format.
post #2865 of 8788
Just for the record, my 73838, bought in August, just automatically updated to 12.06 without any intervention from me. I use FiOS and am in NYC. As I have zero interest in 3D, I have no idea how this affects my 3D performance. Also, for the record, I am extremely pleased with the unit thus far as is everyone who has seen it. The standard reaction from fairly sophisticated people is: I really want one of those! I use it primarily for HD programming and movie watching. I am deeply into older, classic films and the experience is precisely like sitting in the sweet spot of a first rate movie theatre. I am puzzled by the almost complete blackout of coverage by magazines and newspapers of RP DLP sets. They are rarely advertised and never mentioned editorially. It's really a flagrant illustration of commercial manipulation of av news to favor the "new and cool" over this wonderful, bargain-priced technology and that's a shame.
post #2866 of 8788
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Originally Posted by Rsinart View Post

Went tonight to hhgregg and was looking to buy the 60738. Price was higher then it was just 3 days before. So I talked with a manager and they lowered it to $1,249. Then said I seen online that a store close buy had a online coupon that knocked like $600 off. And thought about just going there. In the end they worked it out that the tv was $999.99 and I paid 299.99 for 3 years of service. So $1,377 after tax, plus its before the 21st so I can send in for the glasses I believe. Overall very happy.

Looking forward to gaming in 3D. Thanks to you all on here for your opinions. Hope I am as happy as you all are.


I just received an enticing ad from HH Gregg in the mail and am thinking of going when their sale starts this weekend. In the ad is a 60" for $699. I assume this is either a 638 or C10 series model. But I'd rather have the 738 if the offer is appealing enough; Gregg is advertising 20-30% off everything, with 24 months no interest.

Care to let me in on where you found this coupon of yours?
post #2867 of 8788
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Originally Posted by Peter McM View Post

I just received an enticing ad from HH Gregg in the mail and am thinking of going when their sale starts this weekend. In the ad is a 60" for $699. I assume this is either a 638 or C10 series model. But I'd rather have the 738 if the offer is appealing enough; Gregg is advertising 20-30% off everything, with 24 months no interest.

Care to let me in on where you found this coupon of yours?

Just do a google search for wd60738 coupon you should find a code for a store called Electronics Expo out of NJ. Main reason I didn't buy from them is I heard customer service was terrible and their shipping takes forever. Over all I'm happy I got the tv and 3 years of service from hhgregg for alittle less then retail. But the EE deal seems great if you don't mind the wait.
post #2868 of 8788
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Originally Posted by hoddy4 View Post

With the 12.06 update, do you still have control over brightness, contrast, etc. in the 3D mode? If not, is the picture noticeably darker in that mode?

Yes, it looks to me as if you still have all of the same controls as before. I haven't gotten out my test equipment to verify, but once you switch it out of brilliant (which is what it defaults to when you first turn on 3D), you can select ADV, Natural, and Bright. From my eyes point of view, I don't notice any change when I switch from Off to Automatic once I switched 3D mode to ADV.
post #2869 of 8788
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Originally Posted by import2nr View Post

yeah it seems that after I attempt to watch my uverse in 3d and then go to watch my blu ray 3d the blu ray does the same thing .. black on the right eye.

Then I did a reset .. ( hold power button down) and the tv cam back up... I started up my Uverse .. but did not attempt to watch 3d.. then checked to see if the blu ray 3d was functioning properly and it is.. I have no clue whats going on .. but a reset fixed the blu ray problem. I'm checking now to see if just letting the tv power cycle itself off will fix the problem because it did it again. .attempted to watch uverse 3d then went to blu ray 3d and black right eye ... ( hehe.. sounds like mitsubishi is beating me up) .. no but seriously ... wtf???

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Originally Posted by import2nr View Post

Letting it power cycle itself off does the trick as well. Its funny. When I first tried the blu ray for the first time with the new update it worked fine. Then kablamo... its all jacked up.

I did the same... Power cycled all devices after first removing all HDMI cables. After powering on the TV, i reconnected the every device and tested and its working now. Well, this was last night and hopefully no issues this evening.
post #2870 of 8788
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Originally Posted by dmighty View Post

I did the same... Power cycled all devices after first removing all HDMI cables. After powering on the TV, i reconnected the every device and tested and its working now. Well, this was last night and hopefully no issues this evening.

Cool. Yeah I don't think you need to remove the hdmi cables and all. Just turn it off and then wait for about 10 to 15 minutes till u hear the double click from the back of the TV. this happens about 10 to 15 minute after the green light stops flashing. or just hold the power button down after the green light light stops flashing to speed up the reset. I'm not going to bother trying to watch anything 3D from my u-verse box till I see a 12.07 or something.
post #2871 of 8788
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Originally Posted by AmpBlast View Post

I just updated to firmware 12.06 via usb, and tried out the Mitsu glasses and emitter that just came today as well. I guess I will have no use for the 3D adapter, as my Panasonic 300 (set to full hd 3D, not checkerboard) Blu-ray going to my Onkyo 608 to 73738 and emitter straight to tv works just fine.

It looks like your HT-RC160 is hdmi 1.3a, so you would need a Blu-ray player like the Panasonic DMP-BDT100, 300, or 350 that can output checkerboard format.

Yeah i bought a samsung BD-C6800 which i love but doesn't support checkerboard output. I was at BB one day just after receiving my 65738 and without educating myself, i picked this unit up. Just to confirm, Checkerboard is the only output that will work with 1.3a devices, correct?

In any case, I still have a PS3, DirectV and the dvd player all supporting 3D so i am just going to update my receiver. I am looking at the Onkyo TX-SR608 as i am happy with the Onkyo brand. Anyone passing 3D thru this??
post #2872 of 8788
I just got a 65738 as a free replacement for a 62725. (an awesome deal) I connected it to my network and see that it updated from 012.02 to 012.05 firmware. I'm a noob when it comes to the 3d so could someone give me advice as to what to purchase? Do I need only glasses? And what brand/model of blue-ray player gives the best bang for the buck.

I also don't know what version of hdmi this set has, but it was manufactured may 2010. Thanks for your help.

Also, a thanks throwout to Nicholc2. I tried your posted adv settings and like them alot. I did change the red a little as OSU jerseys looked a little pink on my particular set against Penn State.
post #2873 of 8788
For those with U-verse........... a suggestion
Set your cable box to output "Native", then tune to 3D channel.
It worked for my Comcast ESPN 3D channel. My Moto box had been set to output 1080i only and ESPN 3D channel is broadcast in 720p/60 Top & Bottom 3D format. Forcing 1080i conversion by cable box made it incompatible with SW upgraded TV. Allowing original ESPN 3D signal (via "Native" output) solved the issue.
Good luck!
post #2874 of 8788
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Originally Posted by markvdb View Post

I just got a 65738 as a free replacement for a 62725. (an awesome deal) I connected it to my network and see that it updated from 012.02 to 012.05 firmware. I'm a noob when it comes to the 3d so could someone give me advice as to what to purchase? Do I need only glasses? And what brand/model of blue-ray player gives the best bang for the buck.

I also don't know what version of hdmi this set has, but it was manufactured may 2010. Thanks for your help.

Also, a thanks throwout to Nicholc2. I tried your posted adv settings and like them alot. I did change the red a little as OSU jerseys looked a little pink on my particular set against Penn State.

If you get the firmware update to 12.06 then all you will need is the emitter and glasses for active shutter glasses or you can use dlp link glasses with nothing else necessary other than a 3d source. With the 12.06 you can use pretty much all 3d sources such as standard 3d bluray players, satellite/cable, and game consoles. The one thing I would say is the DLP link glasses can provide a less than stellar picture due to rainbow effects so you might want to look into the active shutter route...
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I was on 12.03 until I figured out I forgot to plug the network cable in after I got a new stand

Plugged it in, went to Zulu and some other apps and the next day (yesterday) I was on 12.05 and this is with a 73838.

I also have uverse and have had no problems watching the 3D dinosaur (12.03). Went from the uverse box to the Mit. adapter to the TV and it worked great. I've also watched Cloudy on my PS3 and downloaded every available 3D game on the Playstation network and everything is amazing.

I originally had the X102 DLP link glasses and they were horrible. They flashed almost every time the camera changed and would drop the 3D a lot especially in light colored scenes. Night or day, it didn't matter. I went to the Optomas and they work perfectly but are too big for my daughter's head so I'm still looking for a couple of smaller pairs...

One question which I think I already know the answer to is that the Bluetooth on the sets are only for receiving signals right? I'd love to be able to use a Bluetooth headset to watch sometimes so does anyone know if this is possible?

Thanks
post #2877 of 8788
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Originally Posted by mtbjoe View Post

I was on 12.03 until I figured out I forgot to plug the network cable in after I got a new stand

Plugged it in, went to Zulu and some other apps and the next day (yesterday) I was on 12.05 and this is with a 73838.

I also have uverse and have had no problems watching the 3D dinosaur (12.03). Went from the uverse box to the Mit. adapter to the TV and it worked great. I've also watched Cloudy on my PS3 and downloaded every available 3D game on the Playstation network and everything is amazing.

So basically You don't have 12.06 and of course would not have any issue watching the 3d dinosaur in 3d through the adapter/converter... My issue is watching 3d dino AFTER the 12.06 update with or without the adapter it does not work properly. .. I did not have issues watching anything 3d from Uverse when I was 12.05 and using the adapter/converter.
post #2878 of 8788
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Originally Posted by dmighty View Post

Yeah i bought a samsung BD-C6800 which i love but doesn't support checkerboard output. I was at BB one day just after receiving my 65738 and without educating myself, i picked this unit up. Just to confirm, Checkerboard is the only output that will work with 1.3a devices, correct?

As far as I understand, checkerboard will work with 1.3a devices but frame packing, which I think is the only other output type available for blu-ray players, will only pass through 1.4 or 1.4a.

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In any case, I still have a PS3, DirectV and the dvd player all supporting 3D so i am just going to update my receiver.

You could consider the Samsung BD-C7900 with dual hdmi so you can use your current receiver, or the Panny 300 which I have (or 350). But maybe it would be better to get a receiver with 1.4a to ensure it will work with your DTV as well.

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I am looking at the Onkyo TX-SR608 as i am happy with the Onkyo brand. Anyone passing 3D thru this??

I am using the Onkyo 608 as I mentioned in my previous post and it works just fine, you must have missed that .
post #2879 of 8788
No, do not have a pic of the center channel on the 65738...just the 57831...and that one is not very good. Primarily just took a picture of the 57831 and stand from my phone so I could show someone for selling it. Sorry.
post #2880 of 8788
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Originally Posted by AmpBlast View Post

As far as I understand, checkerboard will work with 1.3a devices but frame packing, which I think is the only other output type available for blu-ray players, will only pass through 1.4 or 1.4a.



You could consider the Samsung BD-C7900 with dual hdmi so you can use your current receiver, or the Panny 300 which I have (or 350). But maybe it would be better to get a receiver with 1.4a to ensure it will work with your DTV as well.



I am using the Onkyo 608 as I mentioned in my previous post and it works just fine, you must have missed that .


Thanks for the input.. And yeah, i saw that comment.. what was i thinking. lol
I guess if i wanted to save some money, i could do the following

Hook up my DVR directly to the TV using optical audio to the receiver
Hook up my DVD player directly to the tv using the optical audio to the receiver
PS3 directly to tv but would have to use the digital coaxial out from the tv to the receiver (any lost of quality)
All other components can connect to the receiver but i would then have to use component cables from the receiver to the TV (lose HD??) as all three HDMI connections would be used. My mac mini and hdtv would connect to the receiver and broadcast HD. Would I lose HD since i would be using component cables from the receiver to the TV?

Researched and yes, Component does support HD up to 1080I. Maybe i will go this route to save $$$

Thoughts on this setup??
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