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post #2941 of 3194
BTW, it's GREAT that we are now talking about the films in itself; before we were ranting on the BD quality with color timing etc...just a heads-up.

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post #2942 of 3194
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Originally Posted by McGriddle View Post

I agree... Hudson is referring to whether they're actually going to get into a real firefight or if it's just going to be something dull, like figuring out a software bug that's keeping the colony transmitter from working properly.

That's my thought COMPLETELY
post #2943 of 3194
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

IMO, I don't think you understand...the premise for the film is that the marines had never encountered an alien(s) in a stand up fight.....I could be wrong, but that's the impression I've had for decades....YMMV

Not in a stand-up fight, but they've encountered alien species before.

My take is that we've reached the point where we're colonizing planets all the time, many of which are lifeless and ready to be terraformed, but some of which have indigenous life. If the indigenous life is just bugs or other primitive species, they send in the Marines to eradicate them prior to terraforming. The Marines get sick of these "bug hunts" and long for a stand-up fight, which is what they trained for and were hoping for when they enlisted, hence Hudson's whining and the other remarks.

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Originally Posted by Anthony A. View Post

Btw, is there any explanation why in alien at the end when it's in the escape pod and it essentially does nothing as ripley puts on her space suit. What's that about?

The alien is nearing the end of its life cycle. It is really just looking for a place to curl up and die. I'm sure I heard that in the commentary or read it in an interview. That's why it is moving so slowly and sluggishly. It thought maybe it was done, it had finished doing what it was born to do to continue the species, but there's one pesky human left to deal with, might as well get it over with...
post #2944 of 3194
I'll have to look for alien and aliens (IMHO, the best films in the series...).
post #2945 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Orbert View Post



The alien is nearing the end of its life cycle. It is really just looking for a place to curl up and die.

I don't think so. Cameron stated that the aliens in his film were older than the one in the first, so why did they not curl up and die?
post #2946 of 3194
Maybe it was getting ready to molt or turn into a butterfly or something?
post #2947 of 3194
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

I don't think so. Cameron stated that the aliens in his film were older than the one in the first, so why did they not curl up and die?

Wouldnt be much of a movie if all aliens had died.
post #2948 of 3194
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

I don't think so. Cameron stated that the aliens in his film were older than the one in the first, so why did they not curl up and die?

Cameron's film came later. I was answering a question about the alien in the first film based on what I remember reading or hearing somewhere. I'm sorry I can cite the source.
post #2949 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Orbert View Post
Cameron's film came later. I was answering a question about the alien in the first film based on what I remember reading or hearing somewhere. I'm sorry I can cite the source.
Yes. The creature in the first film does it business in about 17 hours. I don't think it was curling up to die anytime soon. It was smart enough to know to get off the NOSTROMO and hide on the life boat. Exactly why it just lays there whilst Ripley gets into her space suit is the question. Its almost gentleman like, waiting until she is ready before it attacks. In 1979 it was scary as hell for me, 32 years later and I have question what was going on because it just doesn't make sense.

The ones on LV426 in Cameron's film would be weeks if not months old.
post #2950 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Orbert View Post

Cameron's film came later. I was answering a question about the alien in the first film based on what I remember reading or hearing somewhere. I'm sorry I can cite the source.

it was either on one of the commentaries or the making of disc, i heard the same thing, also some explination about the alien starting as white and becoming darker or "brused" through the film
post #2951 of 3194
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Originally Posted by swarm87 View Post

it was either on one of the commentaries or the making of disc, i heard the same thing, also some explination about the alien starting as white and becoming darker or "brused" through the film

The "brusing" idea came from the actor that played Lambert.
post #2952 of 3194
I never did get the set so I'm just going for the first two movies on BD for $14.99 each on Tuesday from Target even though there is an attractive overseas' offer for the set. Even getting the last two basically for free for the price, I will never watch them!
post #2953 of 3194
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

I never did get the set so I'm just going for the first two movies on BD for $14.99 each on Tuesday from Target even though there is an attractive overseas' offer for the set. Even getting the last two basically for free for the price, I will never watch them!

Well played! I didn't quite hold out long enough. I bought the set one week before the individual releases were announced--one stinkin' week--even though I too have no plans whatsoever to watch the third or fourth movie... or any of the extras, either.

D'oh!
post #2954 of 3194
So, does everyone want a cookie for hating the last two movies?
post #2955 of 3194
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

So, does everyone want a cookie for hating the last two movies?

There aren't enough cookies in the world to fulfill that order.
post #2956 of 3194
I actually like the DC of Alien 3. To me it seemed to flesh out the story better. It's not greatness in film-making but I don't mind watching it. Once you get past the eggs appearing out of nowhere in the begining. As for four... that's a tough one.
post #2957 of 3194
I want cake for loving the whole series, especially the last two.
post #2958 of 3194
I don't really have anything on tap to watch on BD that interests me to buy or rent this whole month except some of these so Tuesday's release of these individual movies makes me that much more excited.
post #2959 of 3194
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Originally Posted by steel_breeze View Post

There aren't enough cookies in the world to fulfill that order.

Indeed, especially Alien 3. I almost think I'd rather watch Star Trek V... yuck.
post #2960 of 3194
Aww man, late to the party. Guess I'll just issue my assumptions and move on:

In Alien I believe the Xenomorph was watching what she'd do. We know enough to know they can hide and come out at opportune times so why now wait it out and then make your move? They don't have eyes anyway so aside from some other sense we don't know about it might not have known what she was about to do when she flushed it out. That's my take at least, I could be wrong. That's where having to rely on he said she said makes it confusing.

As for the whole bug hunt comment it's clear the Marines have fought Xenomorphs before but nothing of this scope or scale. More likely like what was said above they were sent in to exterminate some native alien species that before or during human occupation of an alien planet or moon. The reason they were so easily defeated is set up early in the film: their arrogance and individuality, something Cameron touched on when he said he wanted them to resemble a marine unit fighting in Vietnam. While the results might have still been the same if a full fledged tactical marine unit modeled after current day units had been sent in I highly doubt they would have been defeated so easily. They basically had no plan of attack aside from "kick ass and take names". They obviously weren't trained well enough to do the job but a darker reasoning for this might be because The Company knew full well who they were and knew what the results would be. After all the goal was to bring hosts home that had been impregnated. Why train the best if that meant no surviving experiments to use once they got back to Earth?

As for the life cycle question it's hard to say. They seem eusocial like Wasps but the queen is the ultimate authority and with so little to go from it's hard to gauge whether any other hives behave in such a way. Since they take on traits of the host they inpregnate their social structure could change from hive to hive. More likely is the fact that very few soldiers are created and they're kept in check by how large the host population is (hence so many in Aliens yet so few in Alien 3) and other environmental conditions. Their lifespan could be as long as it takes to spread their eggs or they could live for lifespans approaching humans. We don't know since again there's little officially to back any reasonable assumption. That's OK though it keeps them mysterious and I like it.

I will say that I don't really care to include the AvP films as canon as to me they're a disgrace to the franchise. That's my .02 at least.
post #2961 of 3194
Um. No. I can't believe there is so little ability to recognize the obvious.

The marines had NEVER fought this kind of creature before. Ever. The "bug hunt" comment is obviously referring to past missions against various and sundry life forms - something they overmatched and could describe with as much disdain as I would had I had twenty missions to step on roaches.

The Major says "xenomorph", which is something new to all of them, to which Frost says "a what"? Hicks even asks "what are we dealing with here?"

It is SO clear they have no idea about this creature. The damn beginning of the movie they says the alien Ripley fought was "something which has never been reported once from over three hundred surveyed worlds."

They have NEVER. FOUGHT. XENOMORPHS. BEFORE.

Have you WATCHED the Alien movies?
post #2962 of 3194
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Originally Posted by MEC2 View Post

Um. No. I can't believe there is so little ability to recognize the obvious.

The marines had NEVER fought this kind of creature before. Ever. The "bug hunt" comment is obviously referring to past missions against various and sundry life forms - something they overmatched and could describe with as much disdain as I would had I had twenty missions to step on roaches.

The Major says "xenomorph", which is something new to all of them, to which Frost says "a what"? Hicks even asks "what are we dealing with here?"

It is SO clear they have no idea about this creature. The damn beginning of the movie they says the alien Ripley fought was "something which has never been reported once from over three hundred surveyed worlds."

They have NEVER. FOUGHT. XENOMORPHS. BEFORE.

Have you WATCHED the Alien movies?

It's amazing such a simple and obvious explanation eludes so many.
post #2963 of 3194
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Aww man, late to the party. Guess I'll just issue my assumptions and move on:

In Alien I believe the Xenomorph was watching what she'd do. We know enough to know they can hide and come out at opportune times so why now wait it out and then make your move? They don't have eyes anyway so aside from some other sense we don't know about it might not have known what she was about to do when she flushed it out. That's my take at least, I could be wrong. That's where having to rely on he said she said makes it confusing.

As for the whole bug hunt comment it's clear the Marines have fought Xenomorphs before but nothing of this scope or scale. More likely like what was said above they were sent in to exterminate some native alien species that before or during human occupation of an alien planet or moon. The reason they were so easily defeated is set up early in the film: their arrogance and individuality, something Cameron touched on when he said he wanted them to resemble a marine unit fighting in Vietnam. While the results might have still been the same if a full fledged tactical marine unit modeled after current day units had been sent in I highly doubt they would have been defeated so easily. They basically had no plan of attack aside from "kick ass and take names". They obviously weren't trained well enough to do the job but a darker reasoning for this might be because The Company knew full well who they were and knew what the results would be. After all the goal was to bring hosts home that had been impregnated. Why train the best if that meant no surviving experiments to use once they got back to Earth?

As for the life cycle question it's hard to say. They seem eusocial like Wasps but the queen is the ultimate authority and with so little to go from it's hard to gauge whether any other hives behave in such a way. Since they take on traits of the host they inpregnate their social structure could change from hive to hive. More likely is the fact that very few soldiers are created and they're kept in check by how large the host population is (hence so many in Aliens yet so few in Alien 3) and other environmental conditions. Their lifespan could be as long as it takes to spread their eggs or they could live for lifespans approaching humans. We don't know since again there's little officially to back any reasonable assumption. That's OK though it keeps them mysterious and I like it.

I will say that I don't really care to include the AvP films as canon as to me they're a disgrace to the franchise. That's my .02 at least.

This is well said although I am very happy to have the AVP movies (and alien 3 and 4) in my home collection.
post #2964 of 3194
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Originally Posted by MEC2 View Post

Um. No. I can't believe there is so little ability to recognize the obvious.

The marines had NEVER fought this kind of creature before. Ever. The "bug hunt" comment is obviously referring to past missions against various and sundry life forms - something they overmatched and could describe with as much disdain as I would had I had twenty missions to step on roaches.

The Major says "xenomorph", which is something new to all of them, to which Frost says "a what"? Hicks even asks "what are we dealing with here?"

It is SO clear they have no idea about this creature. The damn beginning of the movie they says the alien Ripley fought was "something which has never been reported once from over three hundred surveyed worlds."

They have NEVER. FOUGHT. XENOMORPHS. BEFORE.

Have you WATCHED the Alien movies?

Yeah, I gotta agree. I think it was clearly spelled out that pretty much no one but Ripley had any clue what they were about to get into. I also took the bug hunt comment to mean something like, they'd fought some sort of less dangerous, generally annoying alien life forms at some point or another.
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

This is well said although I am very happy to have the AVP movies (and alien 3 and 4) in my home collection.

I think the whole series other than maybe AvP 2 was, if not great, at least mindlessly entertaining. Alien 3 and 4 get a lot of negative feedback, but its my opinion that's mostly to do with them following right after Aliens which is pretty much your stereotypical Cameron blockbuster. I'm not a big fan of Cameron (I'm not the biggest fan of The Abyss, T2, Titanic, or even Avatar really), but I have to admit that his style really appeals to huge audiences, and he's great at making things bigger than life. You don't even have to be a sci-fi fan to really appreciate Aliens, you could like war films or suspense films, or whatever, and still like Aliens. Alien 3 and 4 are poor sequels to Aliens, but I think they're perfectly fine as direct sequels to Alien. They're not as good as Alien, not as refined or detailed, but all things considered they're really superb sci-fi films, especially if you take them as stand alones.

As far as AvP is concerned, I think it was pretty much doomed to failure. It was a film for the fans who desperately followed the concept from Predator 2 through to the comics, but how could it possibly live up to the hype? Obviously it failed for a number of reasons that don't have anything to do with hype, but if you turn your mind off for a couple hours and just enjoy it as a big dumb sci-fi film with familiar baddies, then I don't know... I think its very watchable. I can't say its what I wanted, or that I thought it was a particularly good film even, but I enjoyed it.

AvP2 on the other hand... I don't know. It probably doesn't say much that, for the life of me, I can barely remember a single detail about that film. I sort of remember it taking place in some town or something...? Meh, probably good I've forgotten.
post #2966 of 3194
Received my Anthology box from Amazon UK. It is the same as the one pictured a little while back. All discs in a nice, compact, standard sized, multi-disc BD case. Then there's an outer box that the case can slide into (or you could pitch it). No ratings logos to be found on the case insert, but there are on the discs and on the outer box.
post #2967 of 3194
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Originally Posted by adrift View Post


AvP2 on the other hand... I don't know. It probably doesn't say much that, for the life of me, I can barely remember a single detail about that film. I sort of remember it taking place in some town or something...? Meh, probably good I've forgotten.

AVP2 was desperately wanting to save the AVP from drowning. Considering how the first AVP ended and AVP2 began, there was not too much that could be done with it. The Brothers Strauss did the best they could with what Paul W. S. Anderson left them to work with.

Clearly the brothers are fans of ALIENS because the creatures resemble them more than any other in the ALIEN series. They at least paid some attention to the Predator side with the flashing eyes (wrong colour, but anyway) and the skinning of an unfortunate victim. AVP made no such attempt in order to keep its PG13 rating.

AVP2 ending was a half decent attempt to bring the whole mess back into line.
post #2968 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

It's amazing such a simple and obvious explanation eludes so many.

Yeah, I'm concerned that this was even a discussion topic. It seemed so obvious to me. Apparently, other people saw a completely different movie than we did.
post #2969 of 3194
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Originally Posted by MEC2 View Post

They have NEVER. FOUGHT. XENOMORPHS. BEFORE.

Have you WATCHED the Alien movies?

Are you talking to me? If so all I can say is I don't really understand where the hostility is coming from. I pretty much lay it out that I agree with you (more or less). Semantics aside a Xenomorph is just another word for Alien for all intents and purposes and they've clearly fought (or wiped out) aliens creatures in the past. Their not understanding/knowing what the actual term is is not surprising as they're jarheads not scientists. Xenomorphs to them = bug. They're one and the same. The cunning of these aliens though combined with their overconfidence and lack of composure is what did them in. That and The Company probably specifically choosing them for these exact reasons. You are right though I didn't think this was too hard to understand.

If you aren't talking to me well nevermind lol.
post #2970 of 3194
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Are you talking to me? If so all I can say is I don't really understand where the hostility is coming from. I pretty much lay it out that I agree with you (more or less). Semantics aside a Xenomorph is just another word for Alien for all intents and purposes and they've clearly fought (or wiped out) aliens creatures in the past. Their not understanding/knowing what the actual term is is not surprising as they're jarheads not scientists. Xenomorphs to them = bug. They're one and the same. The cunning of these aliens though combined with their overconfidence and lack of composure is what did them in. That and The Company probably specifically choosing them for these exact reasons. You are right though I didn't think this was too hard to understand.

If you aren't talking to me well nevermind lol.

I'm pretty sure "xenomorph" isn't supposed to be a generic name for just any alien. I got the impression from the film that xenomorph was specifically the title given by scientists, the company, whatever, of this particular alien. From what little research I can see online, the meaning of the name is Greek for "strange-form", but the name was first invented in the film Aliens for the alien. Unless everyone in the future calls aliens "xenomorphs", I don't see any reason to believe that its not the name of this particular alien, and the fact that the marines are confused about the terminology seems to support that its not a commonly known word in the future.

Also, I don't think MEC2 was being hostile so much as surprised or exasperated. I think most people believe that the name "xenomorph" refers specifically to the Alien creature, and when you said that the marines had certainly fought "xenomorphs" before, it seemed kind of out there.
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