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post #2971 of 3172
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Aww man, late to the party. Guess I'll just issue my assumptions and move on:

In Alien I believe the Xenomorph was watching what she'd do. We know enough to know they can hide and come out at opportune times so why now wait it out and then make your move? They don't have eyes anyway so aside from some other sense we don't know about it might not have known what she was about to do when she flushed it out. That's my take at least, I could be wrong. That's where having to rely on he said she said makes it confusing.

As for the whole bug hunt comment it's clear the Marines have fought Xenomorphs before but nothing of this scope or scale. More likely like what was said above they were sent in to exterminate some native alien species that before or during human occupation of an alien planet or moon. The reason they were so easily defeated is set up early in the film: their arrogance and individuality, something Cameron touched on when he said he wanted them to resemble a marine unit fighting in Vietnam. While the results might have still been the same if a full fledged tactical marine unit modeled after current day units had been sent in I highly doubt they would have been defeated so easily. They basically had no plan of attack aside from "kick ass and take names". They obviously weren't trained well enough to do the job but a darker reasoning for this might be because The Company knew full well who they were and knew what the results would be. After all the goal was to bring hosts home that had been impregnated. Why train the best if that meant no surviving experiments to use once they got back to Earth?

As for the life cycle question it's hard to say. They seem eusocial like Wasps but the queen is the ultimate authority and with so little to go from it's hard to gauge whether any other hives behave in such a way. Since they take on traits of the host they inpregnate their social structure could change from hive to hive. More likely is the fact that very few soldiers are created and they're kept in check by how large the host population is (hence so many in Aliens yet so few in Alien 3) and other environmental conditions. Their lifespan could be as long as it takes to spread their eggs or they could live for lifespans approaching humans. We don't know since again there's little officially to back any reasonable assumption. That's OK though it keeps them mysterious and I like it.

I will say that I don't really care to include the AvP films as canon as to me they're a disgrace to the franchise. That's my .02 at least.

This is well said although I am very happy to have the AVP movies (and alien 3 and 4) in my home collection.
post #2972 of 3172
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Originally Posted by MEC2 View Post

Um. No. I can't believe there is so little ability to recognize the obvious.

The marines had NEVER fought this kind of creature before. Ever. The "bug hunt" comment is obviously referring to past missions against various and sundry life forms - something they overmatched and could describe with as much disdain as I would had I had twenty missions to step on roaches.

The Major says "xenomorph", which is something new to all of them, to which Frost says "a what"? Hicks even asks "what are we dealing with here?"

It is SO clear they have no idea about this creature. The damn beginning of the movie they says the alien Ripley fought was "something which has never been reported once from over three hundred surveyed worlds."

They have NEVER. FOUGHT. XENOMORPHS. BEFORE.

Have you WATCHED the Alien movies?

Yeah, I gotta agree. I think it was clearly spelled out that pretty much no one but Ripley had any clue what they were about to get into. I also took the bug hunt comment to mean something like, they'd fought some sort of less dangerous, generally annoying alien life forms at some point or another.
post #2973 of 3172
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

This is well said although I am very happy to have the AVP movies (and alien 3 and 4) in my home collection.

I think the whole series other than maybe AvP 2 was, if not great, at least mindlessly entertaining. Alien 3 and 4 get a lot of negative feedback, but its my opinion that's mostly to do with them following right after Aliens which is pretty much your stereotypical Cameron blockbuster. I'm not a big fan of Cameron (I'm not the biggest fan of The Abyss, T2, Titanic, or even Avatar really), but I have to admit that his style really appeals to huge audiences, and he's great at making things bigger than life. You don't even have to be a sci-fi fan to really appreciate Aliens, you could like war films or suspense films, or whatever, and still like Aliens. Alien 3 and 4 are poor sequels to Aliens, but I think they're perfectly fine as direct sequels to Alien. They're not as good as Alien, not as refined or detailed, but all things considered they're really superb sci-fi films, especially if you take them as stand alones.

As far as AvP is concerned, I think it was pretty much doomed to failure. It was a film for the fans who desperately followed the concept from Predator 2 through to the comics, but how could it possibly live up to the hype? Obviously it failed for a number of reasons that don't have anything to do with hype, but if you turn your mind off for a couple hours and just enjoy it as a big dumb sci-fi film with familiar baddies, then I don't know... I think its very watchable. I can't say its what I wanted, or that I thought it was a particularly good film even, but I enjoyed it.

AvP2 on the other hand... I don't know. It probably doesn't say much that, for the life of me, I can barely remember a single detail about that film. I sort of remember it taking place in some town or something...? Meh, probably good I've forgotten.
post #2974 of 3172
Received my Anthology box from Amazon UK. It is the same as the one pictured a little while back. All discs in a nice, compact, standard sized, multi-disc BD case. Then there's an outer box that the case can slide into (or you could pitch it). No ratings logos to be found on the case insert, but there are on the discs and on the outer box.
post #2975 of 3172
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Originally Posted by adrift View Post


AvP2 on the other hand... I don't know. It probably doesn't say much that, for the life of me, I can barely remember a single detail about that film. I sort of remember it taking place in some town or something...? Meh, probably good I've forgotten.

AVP2 was desperately wanting to save the AVP from drowning. Considering how the first AVP ended and AVP2 began, there was not too much that could be done with it. The Brothers Strauss did the best they could with what Paul W. S. Anderson left them to work with.

Clearly the brothers are fans of ALIENS because the creatures resemble them more than any other in the ALIEN series. They at least paid some attention to the Predator side with the flashing eyes (wrong colour, but anyway) and the skinning of an unfortunate victim. AVP made no such attempt in order to keep its PG13 rating.

AVP2 ending was a half decent attempt to bring the whole mess back into line.
post #2976 of 3172
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

It's amazing such a simple and obvious explanation eludes so many.

Yeah, I'm concerned that this was even a discussion topic. It seemed so obvious to me. Apparently, other people saw a completely different movie than we did.
post #2977 of 3172
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Originally Posted by MEC2 View Post

They have NEVER. FOUGHT. XENOMORPHS. BEFORE.

Have you WATCHED the Alien movies?

Are you talking to me? If so all I can say is I don't really understand where the hostility is coming from. I pretty much lay it out that I agree with you (more or less). Semantics aside a Xenomorph is just another word for Alien for all intents and purposes and they've clearly fought (or wiped out) aliens creatures in the past. Their not understanding/knowing what the actual term is is not surprising as they're jarheads not scientists. Xenomorphs to them = bug. They're one and the same. The cunning of these aliens though combined with their overconfidence and lack of composure is what did them in. That and The Company probably specifically choosing them for these exact reasons. You are right though I didn't think this was too hard to understand.

If you aren't talking to me well nevermind lol.
post #2978 of 3172
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Are you talking to me? If so all I can say is I don't really understand where the hostility is coming from. I pretty much lay it out that I agree with you (more or less). Semantics aside a Xenomorph is just another word for Alien for all intents and purposes and they've clearly fought (or wiped out) aliens creatures in the past. Their not understanding/knowing what the actual term is is not surprising as they're jarheads not scientists. Xenomorphs to them = bug. They're one and the same. The cunning of these aliens though combined with their overconfidence and lack of composure is what did them in. That and The Company probably specifically choosing them for these exact reasons. You are right though I didn't think this was too hard to understand.

If you aren't talking to me well nevermind lol.

I'm pretty sure "xenomorph" isn't supposed to be a generic name for just any alien. I got the impression from the film that xenomorph was specifically the title given by scientists, the company, whatever, of this particular alien. From what little research I can see online, the meaning of the name is Greek for "strange-form", but the name was first invented in the film Aliens for the alien. Unless everyone in the future calls aliens "xenomorphs", I don't see any reason to believe that its not the name of this particular alien, and the fact that the marines are confused about the terminology seems to support that its not a commonly known word in the future.

Also, I don't think MEC2 was being hostile so much as surprised or exasperated. I think most people believe that the name "xenomorph" refers specifically to the Alien creature, and when you said that the marines had certainly fought "xenomorphs" before, it seemed kind of out there.
post #2979 of 3172
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Originally Posted by adrift View Post

d when you said that the marines had certainly fought "xenomorphs" before, it seemed kind of out there.

I think this comes down to us seeing the term used differently, an understandable situation. I see the term as Xeno being not from this earth and morph referring to a life form. MEC2 just seemed a bit harsh in his response, that's all. I think we're all agreeing here just in slightly different ways lol.
post #2980 of 3172
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

I think this comes down to us seeing the term used differently, an understandable situation. I see the term as Xeno being not from this earth and morph referring to a life form. MEC2 just seemed a bit harsh in his response, that's all. I think we're all agreeing here just in slightly different ways lol.

We're not agreeing, though. I have been a big fan of these films for many years, and have never heard the claim that "Xenomorph" is a generic, all-inclusive term for an alien lifeform.

In the canon of these films, it is very specific that Xenomorph is the unknown, never before encountered (fact stated from the debriefing at the beginning of Aliens) species that Ripley claimed to have encountered on LV-426. Also, from the film, the marines joke about other alien species they have encountered before. Frost talks about getting some "Arcturian poontang", implying an alien species. Additionally, these are all examples directly from the theatrical cut of the film, so it can't be argued that this information was added in the director's cut and is not canon.

So MEC2 may have seemed to have come across as harsh, but that might have something to do with frustration over the previous several pages of this thread debating something that doesn't need to be debated. It's one thing to have your own interpretations, but its a completely different thing to have your interpretation be contrary to established canon.
post #2981 of 3172
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

never heard the claim that "Xenomorph" is a generic, all-inclusive term for an alien lifeform.

Exactly. ET and ALF were both alien life forms and were not Xenomorphs
post #2982 of 3172
It's funny that we all have to come to some sort of 'debate' over one thing or another: The number one debate was over the BD quality and hashing over color timing, etc, and now number TWO is the opinions about Xenomorphs and the like. I am, however a victim of this as well
post #2983 of 3172
I just received the single disc 'Alien', and I assume it's the same disc that was shipped with the boxed set...but correct me if I'm wrong.

Has anybody else received a defective disc, wherein the theatrical cut option plays perfectly, but choosing the director's cut gives a...what can be described as...a "zoomed" effect that displays only about 10% of the picture. That is, approx 10% of the top middle of the picture fills the entire viewing area.

Anybody else?
post #2984 of 3172
that's weird!
post #2985 of 3172
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Originally Posted by David_W View Post

I just received the single disc 'Alien', and I assume it's the same disc that was shipped with the boxed set...but correct me if I'm wrong.

Has anybody else received a defective disc, wherein the theatrical cut option plays perfectly, but choosing the director's cut gives a...what can be described as...a "zoomed" effect that displays only about 10% of the picture. That is, approx 10% of the top middle of the picture fills the entire viewing area.

Anybody else?

There was a few reports about this from those that have an OPPO. What player have you got?
post #2986 of 3172
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Originally Posted by David_W View Post

I just received the single disc 'Alien', and I assume it's the same disc that was shipped with the boxed set...but correct me if I'm wrong.

Has anybody else received a defective disc, wherein the theatrical cut option plays perfectly, but choosing the director's cut gives a...what can be described as...a "zoomed" effect that displays only about 10% of the picture. That is, approx 10% of the top middle of the picture fills the entire viewing area.

Anybody else?

I had this problem with my Oppo. I found that if I went to the set up menu and actually picked the sound and language options the disc would play fine. If I went straight to play it looked like yours.
post #2987 of 3172
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Originally Posted by egrady View Post

I had this problem with my Oppo. I found that if I went to the set up menu and actually picked the sound and language options the disc would play fine. If I went straight to play it looked like yours.

And a firmware upgrade will resolve this issue. The disc is fine.
post #2988 of 3172
My local Target store did not receive any of these BDs for this morning. They had a rain check for each one and they might get them in later today I was told.

No matter as I went to BB which is close and they had all of them in stock and plenty for $14.99 each. Nice slipcovers too if anyone cares.
post #2989 of 3172
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

I went to BB which is close and they had all of them in stock and plenty for $14.99 each. Nice slipcovers too if anyone cares.

I'm also heading out to my local BB in a few, they have plenty in stock at the very friendly (and suprisingly nice) price of $14.99 each...glad I resisted grabbing the set now (not a fan of 3 & 4). Picking up 1 & 2!
post #2990 of 3172
Do the individual releases have the MUTHUR interactive experience? The cases do not have any referece to it.
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For those that have picked these up already, any feedback on PQ and AQ?
post #2992 of 3172
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Originally Posted by CSonntag View Post

For those that have picked these up already, any feedback on PQ and AQ?

I'm amazed how good Alien looks! The audio is top notch. It's a very creepy soundtrack.
post #2993 of 3172
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

I'm amazed how good Alien looks! The audio is top notch. It's a very creepy soundtrack.

Do the individual releases have the MUTHUR interactive experience? The cases do not have any referece to it.
post #2994 of 3172
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Originally Posted by Lance_G View Post

Do the individual releases have the MUTHUR interactive experience? The cases do not have any referece to it.

Yes, you can play the movie with the interactive MU-TH-UR Mode.
post #2995 of 3172
As promised, more pics of the Alien and Aliens individual releases.



post #2996 of 3172
Just picked up my Aliens copy, can't wait to hear me some lossless pulse rifles
post #2997 of 3172
FYI, Amazon dropped their prices to $14.99 (just now) to compete. They were $19.99 today around noon, but when I rechecked just now they were dropped.
post #2998 of 3172
Just about 30 min in and PQ actually looks pretty decent but dude, where's the LFE!? Seems a bit lean in the low end. Also is there a teal push? I don't remember Hudson's neckless tattoo being so blue before.
post #2999 of 3172
Thanks for the scoop, J9! That's a price that'll motivate me to Amazon, for sure!
post #3000 of 3172
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post
JAlso is there a teal push? I don't remember Hudson's neckless tattoo being so blue before.
OH NO, here we go again!
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