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post #3001 of 3194
The bass has absolutely been boosted on all four movies. I don't know what people are talking about when they say there's no bass. My experience matches tighr's. The bass is very (artificially) boomy and loud, obnoxiously so at times. Especially throughout much of Aliens.

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post #3002 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The bass has absolutely been boosted on all four movies. I don't know what people are talking about when they say there's no bass. My experience matches tighr's. The bass is very (artificially) boomy and loud, obnoxiously so at times. Especially throughout much of Aliens.

I agree. Just got around to watching this last night and the LFE was loud at times and boomy during some of the explosions and battles.
post #3003 of 3194
Aliens + obnoxious bass = no complaints from me. But it's a shame that Alien didn't get a complete audio rebuild like Blade Runner did, 'cause that one still sounds quite harsh and restrained. Sure, there's some bass in the landing sequence but that's it. Even the detonation of the Nostromo doesn't sound as meaty as that bit. AlienĀ³ sounds terrific though, nicely balanced with very active rears.
post #3004 of 3194
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post
I agree. Just got around to watching this last night and the LFE was loud at times and boomy during some of the explosions and battles.
Coincidentally, I watched Aliens last nite too.

In spite of the boomy LFE, has there EVER been a movie with a soundtrack more involving than this movie?
The sound design is nothing short of jaw-dropping.
post #3005 of 3194
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Originally Posted by oink View Post
Coincidentally, I watched Aliens last nite too.

In spite of the boomy LFE, has there EVER been a movie with a soundtrack more involving than this movie?
Apocalypse Now.
post #3006 of 3194
My experiences in these new releases have been such that some parts have much bigger bass (but not what I would necessarily call boomy) than I recall from the LD version, with a sprinkling of instances where certain effects were "missed" for enhancement. They definitely missing the "weight" of the modern blockbuster soundtrack, but that is essentially all the original soundtrack had to offer from those days.

I'm not saying that I eschew the departure from the original, though. The enhancements were a dirty deed that were absolutely necessary. Otherwise, the soundtrack would fall far short of any modern expectations of good sound in a movie.

That is also not to say that original soundtrack was not incredibly inventive and richly garnished. It is one of the best for collection of notable sound effects in sci-fi movie history. The technology and practices for sound engineering just was not up to the caliber of sound quality we casually enjoy in current day.
post #3007 of 3194
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Are you talking to me?

Yes.
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If so all I can say is I don't really understand where the hostility is coming from.

Not hostility. Emphasis is rhetorical. I do wonder how information given in expository dialogue can not be understood as apparent on it's face...
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I pretty much lay it out that I agree with you (more or less). Semantics aside a Xenomorph is just another word for Alien for all intents and purposes and they've clearly fought (or wiped out) aliens creatures in the past.

Xenomorph is a proper term in the Alien films referring to the Alien creature - it is not a generic term. Frost at the first briefing says "a what" when the Lt. mentions the term Xenomorph. That is because the term is unfamiliar to him, because it a proper noun given to this particular species in the Alien universe.
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Their not understanding/knowing what the actual term is is not surprising as they're jarheads not scientists. Xenomorphs to them = bug. They're one and the same.

Sorry, this isn't true and there it is fairly tortured to suggest - the dialogue in the movie is very clear. They have never, ever seen this creature - in over 300 surveyed worlds per the Ripley debriefing dialogue.

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The cunning of these aliens though combined with their overconfidence and lack of composure is what did them in.

You keep using aliens in a lower case term - Alien and Xenomorph in these films are proper nouns, even in the screenplay. Additionally, the Marines problems were primarily due to a complete lack of first hand experience information/intelligence - that, and being disarmed by their commander. I wouldn't really say they lacked composure - in fact, their composure is what got the survivors out alive. But the last part of this is really subjective opinion...

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That and The Company probably specifically choosing them for these exact reasons. You are right though I didn't think this was too hard to understand.

The Company didn't choose them - the mission was under military control, not Company control. There is no reason to read more into this than is apparent in the script.

In short, it is inarguable, based on the script, to make a cogent case that the CM team had ever faced the Aliens before. It is spelled out clearly. That is, in fact, the greatest reason for their massacre in the Alien hive.
post #3008 of 3194
Oh - and Aliens looks great on BR. I love having the isolated scores. Alien looks good too, the soundtrack is flat (it's old), and watching some of the space opera shots is a dated groaner, but overall good.

Alien3 soon and AR, am interested in the DC of A3. Don't care for the Aliens DC, the only thing I missed was the sentinel guns, because those are cool, but no loss to the story...
post #3009 of 3194
Hi, sorry if this has been asked. Is the video transfer and audio the same on both the Uk import and US version? Also Are the extra bonus items the same. The reason I ask is that I can get the box set that is a UK import for a GREAT price, and i just want to make sure that the transfers ar the same and that I will be able to view all extra content from the import set.
Thanks
Joe
post #3010 of 3194
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Originally Posted by MEC2 View Post

Don't care for the Aliens DC, the only thing I missed was the sentinel guns, because those are cool, but no loss to the story...

I agree. I had only seen the DC before, so I obviously liked that cut and was partial to it. But when I finally did watch the TC, I realized how much neater the movie was. Cutting the entire colony scenes means that you don't know who Newt is before we meet her, so we're almost meeting her through Ripley's eyes for the first time. Also, we don't really know what happened to the colony (other than the fact that we're watching an Alien movie), but with the DC you clearly see that Newt's parents are killed by the Alien. That adds to the excitement, which builds right up to the point where they walk into the hive.

I feel kind of bad for the actors and set designers who made the beautiful sets that were cut from the film, but ultimately it works as a cleaner presentation.
post #3011 of 3194
Those sentinel guns were pretty badazz!
post #3012 of 3194
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Originally Posted by joez7700 View Post

Hi, sorry if this has been asked. Is the video transfer and audio the same on both the Uk import and US version? Also Are the extra bonus items the same. The reason I ask is that I can get the box set that is a UK import for a GREAT price, and i just want to make sure that the transfers ar the same and that I will be able to view all extra content from the import set.
Thanks
Joe

I'd like to know, too.
post #3013 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

Those sentinel guns were pretty badazz!

Some of the extra footage in the D.C. I could do without.
But not, ABSOLUTELY NOT the sentinel guns.
Heart palpitations just thinking about 'em!
post #3014 of 3194
Are the Sentinel guns only in the Directors cut? My VHS copy of the film that I watched over and over as a child had that scene and I was wondering why the AMC version of it didn't.
post #3015 of 3194
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Originally Posted by joez7700 View Post

Hi, sorry if this has been asked. Is the video transfer and audio the same on both the Uk import and US version? Also Are the extra bonus items the same. The reason I ask is that I can get the box set that is a UK import for a GREAT price, and i just want to make sure that the transfers ar the same and that I will be able to view all extra content from the import set.
Thanks
Joe

Aside for packaging and disc art the content is 100% identical between the US and UK set even down to the selection of subtitles.
post #3016 of 3194
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Originally Posted by ferdinandhudson View Post

Aside for packaging and disc art the content is 100% identical between the US and UK set even down to the selection of subtitles.

Thanks for the update, I just ordered it. I am really looking forward to watching all 4 movies.

Joe
post #3017 of 3194
I got the uk box set for the great price too, took about 2 weeks to arrive.
post #3018 of 3194
WoW

People like the look of this???
What a joke!
It doesn't look like film.
It doesn't look like video.

It looks like "fildeo" [patent pending].

The digital processing this title has been manipulated w/gives everyones hair a cheap wig look. As well as loss of mid-field detail.
Detail in close-ups can be stunning/till the actor moves!
Then those pores that were seen so clearly move all over the place/face.
And when the camera pans left or right the smearing is embarrassing.

I wasn't going too buy this blu-orange version at all.
Butt for fifteen bucks, I'll get my $$$ worth.
Funny thing is, the blu-orange revision look didn't bother me as much as I thought it would.
Although you can't miss it.

Only time the color threw me was the 1st scene opening the craft.
The sparks from cutting open the ship didn't look right.
Never saw sparks like that B4.
However, yellows, whites, & skintones were realistic enough too enjoy the PQ.
The smearing??? Not so much.
post #3019 of 3194
There's no smearing on my disc.
post #3020 of 3194
I didn't notice any smearing on my 60" Plasma..
post #3021 of 3194
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

The digital processing this title has been manipulated w/gives everyones hair a cheap wig look. As well as loss of mid-field detail.
Detail in close-ups can be stunning/till the actor moves!
Then those pores that were seen so clearly move all over the place/face.
And when the camera pans left or right the smearing is embarrassing.

Try turning off the frame interpolation feature (MotionFlow, SmoothMotion, SuperDuperUltraMotionorama, etc.) in your TV and watch it again.
post #3022 of 3194
ALIENS LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, even with the color timing change. Do what Josh Z said. I hate FI and don't need it; you don't see this at the theaters, so why have it in your home for blu-rays? End of Rant.
post #3023 of 3194
It's simply a choice between FI artifacts or flickery/juddery screen motion. Neither are particularly ideal for modern video presentation, but that is what we are left with given that the movie industry insists on sticking to a 24 fps format.

Btw, if it really is an issue of smearing of skin pore detail while tracking small motions, that is more likely due to temporal noise reduction (in either the mastering of the product or in the end-user display or even in certain configurations of the actual encoding of the video) or use of an older technology lcd. Ironically, it is the newer motion-interpolation-equipped displays that are better set up to accommodate non-smearing detail under motion, by virtue of being capable of rendering 120/240 Hz motion in the first place.
post #3024 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

It's simply a choice between FI artifacts or flickery/juddery screen motion. Neither are particularly ideal for modern video presentation, but that is what we are left with given that the movie industry insists on sticking to a 24 fps format.


I dread the day movies are shot 48fps. There's something about HD video and high frame rates that seem the antithesis of "art" to me. It's too real. The more "real-life" films look, the phonier they become. It becomes difficult to suspend disbelief, I can practically smell the lunch catering table located just off-camera.
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I dread the day movies are shot 48fps. There's something about HD video and high frame rates that seem the antithesis of "art" to me. It's too real. The more "real-life" films look, the phonier they become. It becomes difficult to suspend disbelief, I can practically smell the lunch catering table located just off-camera.

Wow that's actually a great point..
post #3026 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Strevlac View Post
I dread the day movies are shot 48fps. There's something about HD video and high frame rates that seem the antithesis of "art" to me. It's too real. The more "real-life" films look, the phonier they become. It becomes difficult to suspend disbelief, I can practically smell the lunch catering table located just off-camera.
I love the look of movies as they are now, and see no real reason to move to higher frame rates, simply to do so. However, I'd like to see a movie shot at 48fps, to see what it would look like vs 24. I never thought I'd like the look of a movie shot digitally that looks liek it was shot digitally, but Tron Legacy absolutely astounded me with how incredible the "real life" scenes looked.
post #3027 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Strevlac View Post
I dread the day movies are shot 48fps. There's something about HD video and high frame rates that seem the antithesis of "art" to me. It's too real. The more "real-life" films look, the phonier they become. It becomes difficult to suspend disbelief, I can practically smell the lunch catering table located just off-camera.
Whenever I watch deleted scenes, I get that same feeling. When the scene wasn't touched up with the same filters as the theatrical film, it just feels too real... like a home movie. Once the filters have been added and the color balanced and other post-processing effects, it finally has that film "look" to me.
post #3028 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Strevlac View Post
I dread the day movies are shot 48fps. There's something about HD video and high frame rates that seem the antithesis of "art" to me. It's too real. The more "real-life" films look, the phonier they become. It becomes difficult to suspend disbelief, I can practically smell the lunch catering table located just off-camera.
That may very well be the case, but there is no ignoring that reasonable motion depiction in high action/adventure movies are really fubar at the industry standard 24 fps. In those scenarios, 24 is simply inadequate for the job unless you are willing to really blur things up.

Now I'm not saying that everything should be shot in 48, because I agree that 24 still has an important look for "regular" type shots. I'm just acknowledging that all of that goes out the window when it comes to sharply focused detail in moderate to fast motion. There is no need to ignore that fact, because it ultimately keeps movie technology stagnated when we do. If we can devise a solution that gives the best of both worlds, that would best serve everybody in the end.
post #3029 of 3194
Odd thing, ordered the anthology from Amazon UK yesterday and it dropped the in-basket price to 16 pounds for us. Anyone hazard a guess as to why? We also bought James May's Toy stories on DVD, but don't see why that would have triggered any combo discount.
post #3030 of 3194
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Originally Posted by Strevlac View Post

I dread the day movies are shot 48fps. There's something about HD video and high frame rates that seem the antithesis of "art" to me. It's too real. The more "real-life" films look, the phonier they become. It becomes difficult to suspend disbelief, I can practically smell the lunch catering table located just off-camera.

Ramp up your dread. Pretty sure Hobbit and Avatar 2 are both being shot at 48.

Luckily, both those films deal with such normal, every day scenarios, you'll probably still be able to suspend disbelief.
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