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Panasonic DMR-ES10 woke up dead today

post #1 of 31
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As the title states, after many years of daily DVD-RAM recordings my beloved DMR-ES10 refused to power up today. I pulled the top, and checked the fuse in the left rear corner where the power cord plugs in - it looked fine, but I pulled it and took it to Radio Shack to be tested. (I am not an electronics repairman and have no tools) The guy at RS said it was all good so I brought it back home, placed the fuse back in it's holder, plugged the DMR-ES10 into a different outlet that I know is functioning properly just to be safe, and still no power up.

The largest capacitor, the one that is relatively close to the fuse assembly seems to have a fair amount of yellow "glue" on the side and bottom, but I thought I recalled reading elsewhere on this site that this is not unusual in the ES10s. The top of the capacitor where they usually bend open and leak out (if bad) looks perfect. All the tops of the other caps look good too.

Any ideas or suggestions for a cheap fix. I doubt I will ship this to Panasonic for the $135 flat rate repair. When I can buy a Maggy with 160gb HDD from JR for $160 delivered, spending very much on the Panny doesn't make good sense to me.

That said, I do want a DVD-RAM Recorder to use in that stack for daily recording of throwaway tv, mostly due to DVD Remote Control conflicts. That rack of equipment currently houses a Sylvania HDRV200f, and a Philips 3576H. The Panny was the 3rd recorder in that rack and kind of necessary to avoid Remote Control crossover interference. The Sylvania and the Maggy 2160 remotes have crossover function, so I can't add a Maggy 2160 the that particular rack of equipment. Nor can I move my OLD Philips 3455H HDD Unit into that rack as I get a remote control overlap with the Philips 3576H. I watch waaaay too much TV.

So, if there is a reasonably cheap fix for the ES10, or a good cheap DVD-RAM Recorder to replace the ES10 that would be ideal.
post #2 of 31
You can operate multiple 2160's in the same rack using the front-panel buttons to isolate the "target" unit, as described here.

P.S. Your Sylvania also has the front-panel drive buttons that are the key to isolating units, as described.
post #3 of 31
Is it totally dead? No display, lights etc.?
If so and the fuse is indeed good I might suspect the power cable or plug where the power cable plugs in the back of the unit.
If you had a volt meter(which it sounds like you don't) I'd check power right where it enters the machine. Like you said the brown glue looking coating near the bottom of the electrolytic capacitors is normal. It's a type of glue used to secure the cap before and after it's soldered in place. You are mainly concerned with the white powdery looking substance mainly found near the top of the cap, in bad caps.
It's possible that something like a diode or voltage regulator has failed but if this is the case I don't believe it's worth repairing. Like you said when something like the 2160a is available so cheap I'd think that would be money better spent.
post #4 of 31
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Thanks Wajo and jjeff. Yep, 100% dead, no nuttin'. It was a darn good machine for around 5 years.
post #5 of 31
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Upon closer inspection I missed a capacitor with a popped top. It is near the transformer in the left rear corner. Looking in the open machine from the front it is the one on the right side of the transformer. It is of the second largest type but far smaller than the BIG Cap in the back. I may eventually bite the bullet and do the disassembly laid out so well in another thread on this site and try to get a friend who solders to give me a hand releasing the old and soldering in the new cap. I really don't want to lose my ES10.
post #6 of 31
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Originally Posted by FullOnShred View Post

Upon closer inspection I missed a capacitor with a popped top. It is near the transformer in the left rear corner. Looking in the open machine from the front it is the one on the right side of the transformer. It is of the second largest type but far smaller than the BIG Cap in the back. I may eventually bite the bullet and do the disassembly laid out so well in another thread on this site and try to get a friend who solders to give me a hand releasing the old and soldering in the new cap. I really don't want to lose my ES10.

As with the ES10, and many other electronics items, the power supply is generally the first circuit area to fail. Heat is a certainly a factor, but electrolytic capacitors simply fail over time. I would suggest you order replacement capacitors from Mouser Electronics or DigiKey, neither have required minimum orders. These two suppliers typically deal with manufacturers, large and small, but will also take orders from hobbyists, and consumers. I have an ES10 too, and am keeping a watchful eye on the caps in the power supply. In fact, sometime during this summer when I have some free time, I may just proactively change out all of the electrolytics.

Good luck., as the ES10 is a nice unit. If you like using DVD-RAMs, you may wish to consider picking up a DMR-EA18. They're still available new from several online source for around $145.
post #7 of 31
While I don't have a 2005 DMR-ES10 I do have several 2006 DMR-ES15 models that are probably similar in several respects to the ES10. The first photo shows the power supply in one of my ES15 models. In the second photo I'm seen unsoldering the largest electrolytic capacitor in the power supply on the main PCB of an ES15. The third photo is a different view of the ES15 power supply. The largest electrolytic capacitor seen in the first photo is an original. The largest electrolytic capacitor seen in the third photo is a replacement. Notice that the replacement capacitor is shorter than the original. Or, is it the other way around?
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post #8 of 31
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Thanks Colloquor and Digado. I will look into the DMR-EA18. Diga, the board layout is significantly different on the ES10. The power cord and power section comes in on the left (as viewed from the front of the machine) on my ES10 and appears to come in on the opposite side on your ES15. The BIG cap looks identical, but the arrangements of the copper wrapped (transformers?) is different as are the smaller Cap layouts. I appreciate the input from you both.

Ooooops, no tuner on the EA18. I def need a unit with a NTSC tuner as I am running analog cable for now.
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by FullOnShred View Post

Thanks Colloquor and Digado. I will look into the DMR-EA18. Diga, the board layout is significantly different on the ES10. The power cord and power section comes in on the left (as viewed from the front of the machine) on my ES10 and appears to come in on the opposite side on your ES15. The BIG cap looks identical, but the arrangements of the copper wrapped (transformers?) is different as are the smaller Cap layouts. I appreciate the input from you both.

Ooooops, no tuner on the EA18. I def need a unit with a NTSC tuner as I am running analog cable for now.

Yes the EA-18 has no tuner, only records from it's line inputs. In your case I'd try and fix your ES-10 or even look for a used ES-15 from places like Craigslist etc.
You could get a EZ-28 but unless you need the digital tuner a older analog ES series machine would probably give you less grief.
If you lived near me I'd give you several analog cable TV tuners. They worked but when I tried to sell them at a garage sale for $5 each I had NO lookers. Seems analog cable TV tuners are about as in-demand as NTSC OTA tuners, both of which is very little. Even clear QAM tuners aren't as useful as at one time since most channels are/are being scrambled, in the name of digital enhancement Although people on older/smaller cable systems may have a good selection of clear analog for some time.
post #10 of 31
I mentioned the EA18, as I incorrectly assumed that he may be on a cable system that is transitioning to encrypted QAM. Having any device today with built-in NTSC, ATSC, and QAM tuners may be moot, as many cable system providers are moving everything except locals and some worthless ancillary channels to encrypted QAM.

The EZ28 is an option, but looking for a ES10 or ES15 on eBay or Craigslist would be an option too. Like jjeff, if you lived close to me, I'd be happy to change out the caps for you. As a ham radio operator, it's our mantra to build and/or repair our "stuff," and I've been doing it for 50 years now! Whew, I'm getting old!
post #11 of 31
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post #12 of 31
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The Info printed on the barrel of my failed capacitor reads....

RJX
10v
820uf

Is this the part I need?

http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/489...u-fc1a821.html

Thanks for any help. : )
post #13 of 31
If this capacitor has the same physical configuration as the one from your recorder, then yes, it is the same voltage and rating, it should work. All 79 cents for this item. Isn't there someting similar at Radio Shack? I think Digikey has a minimum order. If you order less than that, they charge some extra fee. Maybe I am not remembering correctly. It's been a long time since I ordered from them.
post #14 of 31
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Thanks Church Av Guy. My first stop was The Shack, and they not only didn't have it, they said they didn't carry it at all.

I think this is the right capacitor for a replacement, but I get a little confused by "Electrolytic", "Polymer", "Standard" designations. The outside colors of the digikey capacitor look a little different, but the stats match up.

Colloquor said digikey has no minimum order, not sure about any other charges.
post #15 of 31
It's been a long time since I have ordered from them in a small quantity. I am likely not remembering correctly about the minimum order. Still, $0.79 is a very small order.
post #16 of 31
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I thought I might go ahead and order 10 for the price break. Only 43 cents apiece then.
post #17 of 31
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UPDATE:

Just wanted to let you guys know how this turned out. I bought 10 of the Capacitors from Digikey to get the pricebreak. $7 total shipped to me. Got in touch with a nice kid at a local Radio Shack who had soldered a broken part for me before. He was willing. Dropped it off this Monday and he called me today (Wed.) to say it is ready. Went to RS and he hesitatingly asked if $15 was ok. I asked him if he was happy at $15. He said yes and I told him I was happy at $15 too so it was a good deal for everyone. Brought her home and plugged her up and she is recording as we speak. It was a bit convoluted to get this done, but well worth it to have my DMR-ES10 back in the rack and chugging happily along.

I appreciate all the help you guys gave me, and especially the links to Digikey. I will gladly order from them again if needed.
post #18 of 31
Thanks for the update, the happy ending to this story.
post #19 of 31
But the title of this thread has always intrigued me: the recorder "woke up" but was "dead." Kind of a Kafka-esque duality.

Next, it's going to wake up and find itself transformed into a bug!
post #20 of 31
While it's true I have mused over the title to the thread myself, I took it to mean that the OP woke up to a dead ES10. The ES10 could not have awakened to find ITSELF dead, as it was never self-aware in the first place. Philosophically speaking.

I'm glad the result is a working unit. It gives many of us hope that these things are owner repairable, even if there is a sticker saying "No user serviceable parts inside" or something like that. Many of my consumer electronic gadgets say that, but they are wrong, as this thread shows.
post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by doswonk1 View Post

But the title of this thread has always intrigued me: the recorder "woke up" but was "dead."

"Hey....wake up and go to sleep!"
post #22 of 31
Thread Starter 
The Title was actually based on an old Megadeth headbanger song, "Wake Up Dead". I am glad it caused some perusal and bemusement for a few board members.

Be that as it may, I am very happy to have my venerable ES10 back in stalwart service.
post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by FullOnShred View Post

The Title was actually based on an old Megadeth headbanger song, "Wake Up Dead".

Well, that explains why I never heard of it!
post #24 of 31
Heh, so it was a clever allusion!

As for "No user serviceable parts inside," I've always interpreted that as "We don't want you fixing this thing because then we won't make money on selling you a new one. Please throw away at the first sign of trouble."

Once the thing wakes up dead and it's out of warranty, what do you have to lose by having a look-see inside?
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by doswonk1 View Post

But the title of this thread has always intrigued me: the recorder "woke up" but was "dead." Kind of a Kafka-esque duality.

Next, it's going to wake up and find itself transformed into a bug!

doswonk1, I truly enjoyed your Kafka reference.
post #26 of 31
Thanks for this report . I have an Es 10 too and no doubt will find this info useful in the future. It's worth keeping as a passthrough machine even once the recording function is no longer viable so being able to swap capacitor to keep it "awake" is a good idea!
post #27 of 31
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I want to reiterate, DigiKey was great to deal with as far as finding the right part and delivering it at a very fair price. Several places had a minimum order of $20 or more, or a minimum fee per order regardless what or how much you bought. Though I bought 10 for the .43 cent price break, DigiKey would have happily shipped me out 1 capacitor at .79 cents plus normal shipping fee. No railroad job at DigiKey.
post #28 of 31
We might be of a similar age, I understood exactly about the DMR-ES10 "waking up dead".

Mine has been in storage for several years but I want to start using it again if possible. What I need to know is, will it use the digital cable signals or just the analog ones off my sister's cable coax?

The remote was lost and it seems like it will cost upwards of 30$ to get a new one so I want to keep using the old vcr if the DMR-ES10 doesn't do widescreen channels(widow with fixed income). Did the DMR-ES10 ever have digital "air tv" capabilities? My husband bought it for me because the house was filling up with vcr tapes and he had it working well off Dish sat and air.
post #29 of 31
No the ES-10('05 model) was 2 years before Panasonic came out with a digital tuner in a DVDR. It would work with a converter box but then you'd be stuck recording only the channel you left the converter box on. DTV converter boxes start ~$50.

A converter box like this will also record HD to USB HDDs but a USB HDD probably starts ~$60 so you'd have ~$110 to get started in this option. I'm assuming since you said "air TV" your not talking about cable, if cable things get a lot more problematic.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465875/iview-3500stb-tuner-dvr-owners-thread
post #30 of 31
Jeff, that is really helpful! I've GOT the converter box from the old tv.!

I had not thought of using the converter on the DVD recorder itself! That will get us the good CBS station in widescreen and possibly my beloved CW station sci-fi boys as well. Thank-you.
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