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post #1 of 12
6/26/10 at 8:24am
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It is about time for me to transition from my SD camcorder to an HD camcorder. I'm 99% sure its going to be the HDC-TM700 for me. However, I'm trying to do my homework now so I won't have any surprises.

I plan on recording everything in 1080p/60 and archiving in that format. However, I will need to burn to BD to give to my family. It's my understanding that you can't burn 1080p/60 to BD. Is that correct? I plan to use Premiere CS5 and/or Sony Vegas Pro for video editing. What is the "best" / highest quality format to convert these 1080p/60 files for BD? I'm assuming 1080p/24 or 1080p/30 but I don't know which is better or if it is possible to convert these files with the available editing software.

FWIW, this is a software/editing question as I am already aware of the beefy hardware/system requirements for these files. Basically I'm asking, what video editing software should be used to convert and burn TM700 1080p/60 files to BD and what format is the highest quality.
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post #2 of 12
6/26/10 at 9:06am
Greetings stealle.

You can use multiAVCHD to author non compliant 1080/60p blu-ray disc.

There is a good chance these will be playable on new generation players and PS3.
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post #3 of 12
6/26/10 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by stealle View Post

It is about time for me to transition from my SD camcorder to an HD camcorder. I'm 99% sure its going to be the HDC-TM700 for me. However, I'm trying to do my homework now so I won't have any surprises.

I plan on recording everything in 1080p/60 and archiving in that format. However, I will need to burn to BD to give to my family. It's my understanding that you can't burn 1080p/60 to BD. Is that correct? I plan to use Premiere CS5 and/or Sony Vegas Pro for video editing. What is the "best" / highest quality format to convert these 1080p/60 files for BD? I'm assuming 1080p/24 or 1080p/30 but I don't know which is better or if it is possible to convert these files with the available editing software.

FWIW, this is a software/editing question as I am already aware of the beefy hardware/system requirements for these files. Basically I'm asking, what video editing software should be used to convert and burn TM700 1080p/60 files to BD and what format is the highest quality.

I use the free application called MultiAVCHD to author 1080p to AVCHD on normal DVD or Blu-ray on BD-R/BD-RE media to playback on PS3. As for editing I use VideoReDo h.264 software. The HD Writer AE 2.1 software supplied with the Camcorder is also outstanding when you get used to the user interface.
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post #4 of 12
6/27/10 at 3:57am
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I use the free application called MultiAVCHD to author 1080p to AVCHD on normal DVD or Blu-ray on BD-R/BD-RE media to playback on PS3. As for editing I use VideoReDo h.264 software. The HD Writer AE 2.1 software supplied with the Camcorder is also outstanding when you get used to the user interface.

Greetings dhnj.

Great to hear your success with 1080p BD playback. Have a few questions:

1. Is it 60p or 50p?
2. Is it raw TM700 clips or VideoReDo edited ones?
3. Did you use AVCHD or BD output?
4. Did it work for both DVD-R and BD-R?
5. What's your PS3 model and firmware version?
6. Did it play on other stand alone player?

Many thanks and best regards.
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post #5 of 12
6/27/10 at 4:34pm
The easiest way is to use HD Writer AE 2.1 (comes with the 700) to convert from 60p to 60i. It does it with the help of the camcorder's hardware (faster).
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post #6 of 12
6/27/10 at 5:32pm
Anyone know if the newer version of HDWriter will work with older Panny HD camcorders?
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post #7 of 12
6/27/10 at 6:05pm
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The easiest way is to use HD Writer AE 2.1 (comes with the 700) to convert from 60p to 60i. It does it with the help of the camcorder's hardware (faster).

Is 60i better than 24p or 30p?
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post #8 of 12
6/27/10 at 8:29pm
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Is 60i better than 24p or 30p?

60i has twice the temporal resolution of 30p (even more when compared to 24p) so it's better for faster moving scenes.

24p is SUPPOSED to give you more of a film look (although I personally would debate that)

It should be noted that 30p is NOT part of the Blu Ray spec so you can't burn it to Blu Ray, or play it back in raw form.
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post #9 of 12
6/28/10 at 1:58pm
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Greetings dhnj.

Great to hear your success with 1080p BD playback. Have a few questions:

1. Is it 60p or 50p?
2. Is it raw TM700 clips or VideoReDo edited ones?
3. Did you use AVCHD or BD output?
4. Did it work for both DVD-R and BD-R?
5. What's your PS3 model and firmware version?
6. Did it play on other stand alone player?

Many thanks and best regards.

1. Is it 60p or 50p?
50p PAL
2. Is it raw TM700 clips or VideoReDo edited ones?
VideoReDO & HD Writer AE 2-1 edited
3. Did you use AVCHD or BD output?
AVCHD & BD
AVCHD on DVD gives you 23 minutes of 1080p
BD on Blu-ray media will give you about 1 hour 40 minutes of 1080p
4. Did it work for both DVD-R and BD-R?
Works with any DVD format & BD-R, BD-RE, BD-R DL, BD-RE DL
5. What's your PS3 model and firmware version?
The first vesion of PS3 and the latest firmware 3.30
6. Did it play on other stand alone player?
I have not tried with 1080p, but Hauppauge HD-PVR captured HD content
edited with VideoReDO & authored with MultiAVCHD played fine on a Sony
Blu-ray player.
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post #10 of 12
6/29/10 at 5:45am
Greetings dhnj. Thanks for your detailed reply.

Just to reconfirm what you have achieved:

1. You created 50p AVCHD and BD folder structures and burn them to BD-R. Both played smoothly in PS3.

2. The same worked for DVD-R.

Would it be too much trouble to test with 60p stuff? Here are some samples:

Ginza Cat (158.2 MB)
San Fran trolley.MTS (42,5MB)
Zoo 1 (61.9.MB)
Zoo 2 (68.9MB)
Zoo 3 (41.1MB)

Many thanks and best regards.
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post #11 of 12
7/1/10 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Greetings dhnj. Thanks for your detailed reply.

Just to reconfirm what you have achieved:

1. You created 50p AVCHD and BD folder structures and burn them to BD-R. Both played smoothly in PS3.

2. The same worked for DVD-R.

Would it be too much trouble to test with 60p stuff? Here are some samples:

Ginza Cat (158.2 MB)
San Fran trolley.MTS (42,5MB)
Zoo 1 (61.9.MB)
Zoo 2 (68.9MB)
Zoo 3 (41.1MB)

Many thanks and best regards.

Before I bought my HDC-SD700 I used the Ginza Cat video clip(1080p 60) to test the 1080p editing with VideoReDo & AVCHD/BD Authoring with MultiAVCHD & playback on a PS3, as this was the only footage available at that time. I prefer using the DVD +R, +RW or +DL DVD media as you can turn the + format DVD's into to a DVD-ROM via the "Bit Setting" option that the + format gives you.
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post #12 of 12
7/1/10 at 9:27am
Thanks dhnj.

Will do some testing with the Ginza Cat.

Best regards.
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