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post #811 of 1061
What's funny is, almost every review I've read has rated all three movies the same saying the quality is about equal and quite good.
post #812 of 1061
Wow, this is worth importing for me. Why couldn't they do this with a U.S. release or am I missing something? I'll shell out for it.
post #813 of 1061
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Seriously the content speaks for itself, show the the ringing and digital artifacts in The Searchers, Braveheart, Gladiator(new), Saving Private Ryan, Minoroty Report, Moonraker, Goldfinger, The African Queen, From Russia with Love, The Robe, Blade Runner final cut, Live and Let Die, Thunderball, Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, Gone with the Wind, Moulin Rouge, Romeo and Juliet, An American in Paris, A Star is Born, Doctor Zhivago, The Sound of Music, South Pacific, North by Northwest, The Adventures of Robin Hood, How the West was Won, the Godfather 1,2,3. All use 4K masters and some 4K scans some as high as 8K scans like South Pacific like GWTW and WOO. Tell me these aren't some of the most stunning titles in your collection.

A good number of these titles you cite have visible edge ringing: The Searchers, Moonraker, Goldfinger, From Russia with Lovie, Live & Let Die, Thunderball (also heavy DNR on that one).
post #814 of 1061
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

I agree they need to stop being lumped together in image quality. Part 1 is somewhat watchable, but parts 2 and 3 are very, very, very, very poor. They are practically pre-upscaled DVDs, since all the >480 detail was annihilated.

You know, now, I'm not even sure if I would take this BTTF set for free.

Maybe the first one. I can't believe AVS's VQ rating on these.
post #815 of 1061

Terrific... looks like we can expect this same **** all over again when Jaws, E.T. and Jurassic Park come out...

Part 3 was the only film with watchable picture quality out of the trilogy and the only one that looked even slightly better than the HDTV capture from Canal+.
post #816 of 1061
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

I agree they need to stop being lumped together in image quality. Part 1 is somewhat watchable, but parts 2 and 3 are very, very, very, very poor. They are practically pre-upscaled DVDs, since all the >480 detail was annihilated.

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Originally Posted by MyPreciousAnimes View Post

Part 3 was the only film with watchable picture quality out of the trilogy and the only one that looked even slightly better than the HDTV capture from Canal+.

Someone is incredibly incorrect here. I'm going to put more faith in eric.exe personally though.

The HDTV capture of BTTF part 1 looks better than the BD disc of part 1. I've been waiting patiently for someone out there to tell me where and how I'm wrong with any screenshot of your choosing.
post #817 of 1061
Meh. Xorp is always wrong at ABHDTV and HDBits too. It's unsurprising that he thinks the worst looking out of the trilogy is the best looking. That's his gimmick.
post #818 of 1061
Well, if you consider the budget Jaws had.
post #819 of 1061
TheHutt has forced me to import this. Thank you. I will be sure to frame some of it. It will look really cool in my theater room.
post #820 of 1061
so when can we expect a remaster? for realz...i'm not joking. when 4k blu-ray hits they will still cheap out and use the old 2k master right?
post #821 of 1061
yup...Doblu.com has the only correct review for BTTF. Glad they told the truth and didn't brush off Universal's f*** up!
post #822 of 1061
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Originally Posted by Big Brad View Post

TheHutt has forced me to import this. Thank you. I will be sure to frame some of it. It will look really cool in my theater room.

I ordered it from amazon.uk on 10/25 and got it today (SoCal). Man, this thing is awesome. You won't regret it. Only bad thing is that the box this thing came in was "open" when I got it. I think if the box wasn't tight to hold this, it might've fallen out from underneath the package. But luckily for me it didn't.
post #823 of 1061
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Originally Posted by Hector.B View Post

yup...Doblu.com has the only correct review for BTTF. Glad they told the truth and didn't brush off Universal's f*** up!

Yep. I've even lost some faith with AVS reviews, which is the first time it's ever happened.

Take a look at the doblu.com links:

http://www.doblu.com/2010/10/30/back...rt-iii-review/
http://www.doblu.com/2010/10/29/back...ure-ii-review/

I know these are.jpg images and they shouldn't be trusted with absolute 100% validity, but just look at some of these caps:

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf3411.jpg

Look at the god-aweful EE on that one. Look at how there is almost no detail gain over a DVD for that image as well.

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf4446.jpg

Can people with a straight face tell me that that looks good? Can you see the wax, or the lacking detail?

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf2648.jpg

That image begins to look like a HD image, but the notorious EE and DNR have ridden what that image could have looked like.

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf1616.jpg

Look at the haloing around Marty.

This is a pretty bad release the more and more I see. It looks like the first disc is watchable, and is about a "generous" 6.5/10 quality. However, part 2/3 look damn ATROCIOUS. It is at best, a 4/10. I'm sure it's still worth buying....maybe at like...$15 for the set, but why in the hell reviewers such as AVS or Blu-ray.com giving this what appears to be a 88/100 or 4.5/5 is beyond my comprehension. I smell ceiling effects. I smell reliability and validity issues too. Do they have some TV that automatically removes the EE or DNR that we don't have?

.

I've said my piece on this issue. Buyer Beware.
post #824 of 1061
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

What the heck does all that cost? It was expensive enough just for the movies and the digital copy. Although I wish they had a cheaper version without the useless digital copies.

The UK Tin costs US$59.96 plus shipping. Just twelve bucks more than the crappy US set.
post #825 of 1061
I ordered my UK Tin from TheHut. Any relation? :-)
post #826 of 1061
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Originally Posted by MyPreciousAnimes View Post

Terrific... looks like we can expect this same **** all over again when Jaws, E.T. and Jurassic Park come out...

Name a bad looking 'Berg directed blu-ray
post #827 of 1061
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Originally Posted by tbuick6 View Post

I ordered my UK Tin from TheHut. Any relation? :-)

You won't believe how often I hear that.
No relation though.
post #828 of 1061
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post


Name a bad looking 'Berg directed blu-ray

+1 do not fear Spielberg is here!
post #829 of 1061
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-W.../12115/#Review

I like how the clone wars season 2 has a lower scored compared to the BTTF trilogy's craptastic video...
post #830 of 1061
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

Yep. I've even lost some faith with AVS reviews, which is the first time it's ever happened.

Take a look at the doblu.com links:

http://www.doblu.com/2010/10/30/back...rt-iii-review/
http://www.doblu.com/2010/10/29/back...ure-ii-review/

I know these are.jpg images and they shouldn't be trusted with absolute 100% validity, but just look at some of these caps:

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf3411.jpg

Look at the god-aweful EE on that one. Look at how there is almost no detail gain over a DVD for that image as well.

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf4446.jpg

Can people with a straight face tell me that that looks good? Can you see the wax, or the lacking detail?

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf2648.jpg

That image begins to look like a HD image, but the notorious EE and DNR have ridden what that image could have looked like.

http://www.doblu.com/wp-content/uplo.../bt3tf1616.jpg

Look at the haloing around Marty.

This is a pretty bad release the more and more I see. It looks like the first disc is watchable, and is about a "generous" 6.5/10 quality. However, part 2/3 look damn ATROCIOUS. It is at best, a 4/10. I'm sure it's still worth buying....maybe at like...$15 for the set, but why in the hell reviewers such as AVS or Blu-ray.com giving this what appears to be a 88/100 or 4.5/5 is beyond my comprehension. I smell ceiling effects. I smell reliability and validity issues too. Do they have some TV that automatically removes the EE or DNR that we don't have?

.

I've said my piece on this issue. Buyer Beware.

Those are all scenes from the third movie. Which is using AVC MPEG4.The two that look better and were supposedly prepped for HD DVD are using VC-1.
post #831 of 1061
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Originally Posted by Hector.B View Post

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-W.../12115/#Review

I like how the clone wars season 2 has a lower scored compared to the BTTF trilogy's craptastic video...

I think this BTTF fiasco is the last straw I have for trusting professional reviewers. I wanted this to be great, and even when the screen grabs came out I was one of those "caps don't tell the whole story. It's always the worst parts that are posted..." But after watching the discs myself, the PQ is just ugly. There shouldn't be this much, or any for that matter, EE whatsoever. It really messed up the image giving it a harsh look. I was astonished when I saw the HDTV caps that, while lacking some fine detail, were a lot more pleasant to look at then the BD caps.

Much like how you pointed out with the Clone Wars S2 PQ score, I mentioned to someone else earlier in the thread on how, according to cinemasquid, the average for The Rocky Horror Picture Shows PQ is nearly 10 points lower then BTTFs. A restored and near perfect representation of the original film elements VS a "remastered" DNR/EE slathered image. They're telling me the latter is better? I don't think the majority of reviewers know what they talking about.
post #832 of 1061
+1 my friend!
post #833 of 1061
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Originally Posted by InspectorToschi View Post

I think this BTTF fiasco is the last straw I have for trusting professional reviewers. I wanted this to be great, and even when the screen grabs came out I was one of those "caps don't tell the whole story. It's always the worst parts that are posted..." But after watching the discs myself, the PQ is just ugly. There shouldn't be this much, or any for that matter, EE whatsoever. It really messed up the image giving it a harsh look. I was astonished when I saw the HDTV caps that, while lacking some fine detail, were a lot more pleasant to look at then the BD caps.

Much like how you pointed out with the Clone Wars S2 PQ score, I mentioned to someone else earlier in the thread on how, according to cinemasquid, the average for The Rocky Horror Picture Shows PQ is nearly 10 points lower then BTTFs. A restored and near perfect representation of the original film elements VS a "remastered" DNR/EE slathered image. They're telling me the latter is better? I don't think the majority of reviewers know what they talking about.

I think the reason for the positive reviews is because Bob Gale said they would look good. How dare we disagree with someone who worked on the film. They are infallible.

No reviewer ever stopped for a second and thought for themselves instead of reading studio propaganda. They should have thought "Hey this really doesn't look as good as it should"


for context:
The movies have never looked as beautiful as they do in this new set. That, to me, is the greatest -- just seeing the movies this pristine and beautiful ... it's great.
post #834 of 1061
Rocky Horror Picture Show is one of the greatest transfers in the past few months.

BTTF is not.
post #835 of 1061
Bill Hunt of the digitalbits:

"However, the improvement here over the DVDs in both picture and sound is nothing short of dramatic, resulting in a very enjoyable home viewing experience."


So is everyone having a VERY enjoyable home viewing experience on parts II and III?
post #836 of 1061
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

Rocky Horror Picture Show is one of the greatest transfers in the past few months.

BTTF is not.

So very true, that and The Evil Dead
post #837 of 1061
The doblu reviews are pretty much correct, although I had to laugh at this intended-to-be rhetorical question from their review of BTTF Part 2: "What technology back in 1989 wiped the grain free from an image to insert special effects?". Um, it's called VistaVision. (Yes, the finished shots were printed back out onto 4-perf 35mm, but VV stuff still carries a very different 'look' to it.)

I've been rewatching the discs with the commentaries (they're pretty good) and although the encodes are far from perfect, they ARE eminently watchable IMO. I think I said the following way earlier in the thread: I'm not condoning mediocrity, but given how badly Universal have treated other catalogue titles the BTTF trilogy has actually gotten off fairly lightly. And I can enjoy them as such.
post #838 of 1061
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I got my copy yesterday. I had no problems. The discs go in and out very easily.

No, they don't. Even when you know exactly how to remove them, it is still much more difficult than with the traditional packaging.

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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Much more preferable than the old style packaging.

Well, you're in a very, very small minority (perhaps a singularity?), but I'm glad that you justified the purchase in your own mind be deciding that you like the ridiculous packaging.

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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Why do they need to include instructions for the simple removal of the discs?

Because the rest of usm who haven't gone out of our way to justify the purchase by convincing ourselves that the packaging is revolutionary,find the packaging differing levels of frustating and difficult.

I assume that it brings you great joy to break out the scissors to free all of your Blistered-Pack'ed purchases.
post #839 of 1061
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

4k has consistently proven how much more it can add to the film and you would already be doing the service of making the print ready for the next format. Warner, as always, can burn in hell.

Why are you damning Warner?
Warner has been the champion of 4K restorations for their catalogue titles.
I still remember the first time I was wowed by their 4K scan of Blade Runner: The Final Cut!
Universal is the guilty party with BttF.
post #840 of 1061
You removed too much from the quote. He hates them for using bitrates below his standards.
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