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post #151 of 1064
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

PS+ updates on the PSN this week:



Not bad if they really are adding stuff weekly to PS+ members. Couple that with the fact that it's confirmed that all PS3 users will have access to Hulu+ (after the initial PS+ preview period) and it's been a decent launch for the service.

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EDIT: After doing the math I bit the bullet and signed up for PS+. Now that it seems like we'll get content and offers more often than once a month, it is something I think will pay for itself. I'm not even all that interested in some of the popular features like auto-patching, but it's nice to have I suppose. For me it comes down to cost savings more than anything, and perhaps a few cool betas.




It costs $3.33 a month, and by signing up I instantly saved on purchases I was going to make regardless. I'm already ahead of this month's savings quota: the Hamsterball discount, the free MahJong DLC and the Fat Princess DLC discount. I figure with other stuff down the line I'll come out ahead over the 15 months. If not, I won't sign up next time.

Also, I honestly don't mind supporting a decent service in part because Sony has not charged us to play games online, which is a concept I hate on principal alone. I like that my entire gaming catalog won't be ruined by not signing up again. Yes, I may lose access to a few "free" games (I can simply by them individually if that happens), but I'm not forced to subscribe to PS+ year after year with the threat of losing access to a major function of most of my entire library.

So is the free 3 month bonus offer still going? I thought I read somewhere it was only until July 6. Also, in addition to these new items, are the other freebees still available from last week, including the WipeOut HD, and the free DLC for Magic Orbz, Cuboid, etc.?

PS your listing of PS+ content for this week missed the all important (for my girlfriend and her daughter, anyway):

TikGames/Creat Studios PlayStation Plus Sale
Hamsterball (PlayStation Plus price $3.99, original price $9.99)
post #152 of 1064
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Yeah, I got the free extra three months and access to all of those other launch goodies. I think the deal will be available until the next full PS+ update comes in early August.

About the Hamsterball update, but I'll update the main post. It's one of the reasons I got PS+ last night since I loved me some Marble Madness back in the day.
post #153 of 1064
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

Yeah, I got the free extra three months and access to all of those other launch goodies. I think the deal will be available until the next full PS+ update comes in early August.

About the Hamsterball update, but I'll update the main post. It's one of the reasons I got PS+ last night since I loved me some Marble Madness back in the day.

Marble Madness ftw. I can still remember convincing my grandma why I needed a $70 NES game from Sears. I loved that game.
post #154 of 1064
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Random trivia of the day -

Marble Madness was the first game made by Mark Cerny after he joined Atari's arcade division when he was only 17 years old. He continues to work in the industry, and most recently worked with Insomniac on titles like Ratchet and Clank, and with Naughty Dog on everything from Crash Bandicoot early on to the Uncharted series.
post #155 of 1064
Marble Madness was something I wasn't allowed to play often due to the fact that it gave the worst Nintendo thumb of anything. I'd play until I got blisters.
post #156 of 1064
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The arcade was the only way to play it since it was controlled with a huge track ball. Still, you probably saved yourself from more pain - the webbing of my fingers used to get snagged in the groove surrounding the track ball. I don't miss that.
post #157 of 1064
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Originally Posted by sknyfs View Post

Wipeout auto patched for me. I started it first and it said their was an update available. I pressd O for no and played the game with no problem. I trned the system off at night and slept. When I turned the PS3 on in the morning it said the following games were auto-updated - wipeout hd.

So there is another hangup with this auto-patch feature as well. Apparently when the game has been downloaded by an account other than the account associated with PS+ (aka a sub account), the auto-update doesn't work. Must apply to only games downloaded to the PS+ account. My WipeoutHD is on the sub account asking for an update 2 nights in a row now. Not good Sony. Any game on any account on a PS3 with an account with PS+ should be updated. This DL for use on one account only is really aggravating.
post #158 of 1064
Yes, the retardation of the PS+ patching system is just different than the retardation of the regular PS3 patching system, not better. Obviously it is a failure on our part to expect something that works.
post #159 of 1064
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

The arcade was the only way to play it since it was controlled with a huge track ball. Still, you probably saved yourself from more pain - the webbing of my fingers used to get snagged in the groove surrounding the track ball. I don't miss that.

Just like Centipede. One of the reasons I keep my old Atari 5200 and the TrakBall controller. Nothing else comes close. Games like Magic Orbz will never be right without a paddle controller either, paddle controllers are what made games like Breakout, Pong, Kaboom, etc. so much fun.
post #160 of 1064
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I loved Kaboom!

But something like Magic Orbz would work decently well if it used SIXAXIS motion controls, don't you think? The Move wouldn't be quite the same though,
post #161 of 1064
I've thought about that, and I don't see any way you can get the precision of the paddle controller with the SIXAXIS, an analog joystick, a mouse, a move controller, digital joystick, etc. Kaboom was a mess on the 5200 (digital joystick). A friend created a copy of the game for the Atari ST which used the mouse, and although close it still wasn't the same. It's the precision of placement with the paddle controller that makes those games work so well.

Speaking of pinched hands and such, how many of you played Atari Football? That was the one that would REALLY pinch you. The trackball was huge and had a ton of mass, you got it spinning and it wasn't going to stop until it sucked a good chunk down inside. I loved the game.

post #162 of 1064
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When it comes down to it, the paddle was essentially a mini steering wheel. Of course making Magic Orbz compatible with a Logitech G25 might be overdoing it, still there are racing games out there that show that you can replicate steering pretty well with SIXAXIS. I'd always prefer a paddle, but as I remember how it was getting into the zone at higher levels of Kaboom, I can imagine tilting the DS3 with pretty much the same level of control.
post #163 of 1064
NegCon would work.
post #164 of 1064
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

Yes, the retardation of the PS+ patching system is just different than the retardation of the regular PS3 patching system, not better. Obviously it is a failure on our part to expect something that works.

While I know it's not exciting, even the standard patching works fine and I'm sure the PSN+ patching will improve.
post #165 of 1064
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Yeah, they've been pretty good about addressing most of the consumer's concerns for tweaks like this. I'm sure there will be improvements.

I mean, as good as Steam is on the PC in patching all titles you own when they need an update, it doesn't turn on my machine while I'm at work to do its magic and then turn off again like the PS3's setup. Yesterday a major patch was released for Team Fortress 2, and I manually had to turn on my PC and wait (like usual) just to be able to get it. I don't mind though.
post #166 of 1064
That free tower defense mini is rather enjoyable, though not ground-breaking. I was just happy to see that it was full screen, and actually the graphics weren't painfully bad.

I'll have to check out the zombie one this weekend.
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post #168 of 1064
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Originally Posted by bob_c_b View Post

While I know it's not exciting, even the standard patching works fine and I'm sure the PSN+ patching will improve.

And I will have to edit my earlier comment. Apparently on day 2 when I tried to start Wipeout HD it still stated it needed an update. PS+ should have taken care of that the night before. However, after the next night I go the update message for Wipeout HD. So it will do games on accounts other than the primary one. Why it didn't work the first night I do not know.
post #169 of 1064
"While I know it's not exciting, even the standard patching works fine and I'm sure the PSN+ patching will improve."

Yeah, it works fine. For 2002.

Multiple competitors have already shown that patching can be done much better. Given that PS+ is the newest patching system on a major platform, I would expect it to at least try to match it's competitor's feature sets. Obviously "basic competence" is too much of me to expect from Sony, and there looks to be no shortage of people lining up to apologize for them.
post #170 of 1064
Ive read that comic like 4 times and I still can't figure out why he's wearing a helmet
post #171 of 1064
Because it's hot and sunny outside.
post #172 of 1064
Okay. So I deleted my Heavy Rain updates a week ago. Then I left Auto-update alone to see if it will do it's thing. It didn't. Tonight I turned on Heavy Rain, then canceled out of the update, and let Auto-update go. It then grabbed the updates that it was supposed to.

So, it looks like it will update disc games, but only if you have played them after the 3.40 update? It's a half-assed measure on Sony's part, but their laziness will only be exposed until we all go through and make sure to play every game that we already own at least once, after we apply this update of course. Man, that's consumer friendly as hell.

Scanning through our save games would have just been too much work, huh?
post #173 of 1064
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

Okay. So I deleted my Heavy Rain updates a week ago. Then I left Auto-update alone to see if it will do it's thing. It didn't. Tonight I turned on Heavy Rain, then canceled out of the update, and let Auto-update go. It then grabbed the updates that it was supposed to.

So, it looks like it will update disc games, but only if you have played them after the 3.40 update? It's a half-assed measure on Sony's part, but their laziness will only be exposed until we all go through and make sure to play every game that we already own at least once, after we apply this update of course. Man, that's consumer friendly as hell.

Scanning through our save games would have just been too much work, huh?

So. Your complaint is that it only updates games you...play?
post #174 of 1064
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

"While I know it's not exciting, even the standard patching works fine and I'm sure the PSN+ patching will improve."

Yeah, it works fine. For 2002.

Multiple competitors have already shown that patching can be done much better. Given that PS+ is the newest patching system on a major platform, I would expect it to at least try to match it's competitor's feature sets. Obviously "basic competence" is too much of me to expect from Sony, and there looks to be no shortage of people lining up to apologize for them.

Like who?

I mean the regular PSN patching is just like that of 360.
post #175 of 1064
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

Okay. So I deleted my Heavy Rain updates a week ago. Then I left Auto-update alone to see if it will do it's thing. It didn't. Tonight I turned on Heavy Rain, then canceled out of the update, and let Auto-update go. It then grabbed the updates that it was supposed to.

So, it looks like it will update disc games, but only if you have played them after the 3.40 update? It's a half-assed measure on Sony's part, but their laziness will only be exposed until we all go through and make sure to play every game that we already own at least once, after we apply this update of course. Man, that's consumer friendly as hell.

Scanning through our save games would have just been too much work, huh?

So...I'm guessing you're not a fan of your newly purchased PS3 and are having a nice healthy does of buyer's remorse regarding PS+. That sucks man.

Anywho, I've got no problems with PS+ so far. I have cable internet, so patches take, at a maximum, 5 minutes. About the same amount of time as it takes me to let the dogs out, take a leak, and grab another beer. I certainly didn't subscribe because of that feature. I suppose if I had, and it wasn't working, I'd be a little miffed. It just doesn't seem like that big of a deal, though.
post #176 of 1064
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Originally Posted by Conspiracy* View Post

So. Your complaint is that it only updates games you...play?

I personally think that's kind of awesome. I have plenty of game info on the PS3 where I haven't played the games in forever and wouldn't want all my space eaten up(only a 40GB here and I'm too lazy to get out my needle nose piers to get those damn nails out) by updates to games I don't play.

I can definitely understand why someone would be miffed about it not updating everything regardless of play date if they had a larger HD though.
post #177 of 1064
PS3 patching is no different than 360 patching, you start a game and if it needs a patch, it downloads and installs. PSN+ is attempting to offer something new but, and I know you'll find this shocking... it takes time to get everyone on board, including 3rd party devs who probably won't invest must in this kind of thing until they see if the service gets enough subs to support it. A lack of "basic competence" would insinuate it's difficult or impossible to get games patched, which clearly it is not, and no one would say it can't be improved but exaggerations like yours add little to discussion.
post #178 of 1064
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

Okay. So I deleted my Heavy Rain updates a week ago. Then I left Auto-update alone to see if it will do it's thing. It didn't. Tonight I turned on Heavy Rain, then canceled out of the update, and let Auto-update go. It then grabbed the updates that it was supposed to.

So, it looks like it will update disc games, but only if you have played them after the 3.40 update? It's a half-assed measure on Sony's part, but their laziness will only be exposed until we all go through and make sure to play every game that we already own at least once, after we apply this update of course. Man, that's consumer friendly as hell.

Scanning through our save games would have just been too much work, huh?

What competitors system does this and why exactly would we want it? I have save games from stuff I've traded? While I probably should go delete the saves, I certainly don't want those games patched at this point.
post #179 of 1064
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Originally Posted by Conspiracy* View Post

So. Your complaint is that it only updates games you...play?

Call me naive and idealistic if you want, but my envisioning of a auto-patch system was that it would scan the game data files that you have and if a patch has been released, it would download it. This would occur regardless of when you played the game last. This way when I went to play any game I have, I don't have to be bothered with the "there is an update" available wait anymore. Isn't that what I paid for. I mean seriously, maybe the patch system will get it kinks out in a while, but as of now it's retarded. As it stands now, your statement above isn't even true. If I want the feature to be of use, I have to load a game (maybe one I'm wanting to play), and if it has a patch, cancel and play offline (like that's going to work for all games) to force auto-patch feature to work later in the night. Or I simply could load the game I want to play now, wait for the patch to DL, and play the game like normal as I wanted too. Hmm...let me see. What exactly was the benefit of the current auto-patch system again? If I have to force it to auto-patch games, then I don't think it should be called an auto-patch.
post #180 of 1064
Dogdoctor - A reasonable human being.

As to the rest of you guys' inference that the 360's patching works the same way as the PS3's base patching system? I will not hear a more laughably ridiculous concept proposed today. For those uninformed, the 360 uses a patch-in-ram system, utilizing a reference patch file that is never allowed to exceed 4MB. Implying that a 4 second, 4MB download at game launch is the same as a 15 minute, 400MB download plus retarded "install" of said patch is disingenuous at best, and apologetic fanboyism.

Do I have remorse over buying a PS3? No. I played Heavy Rain, therefore I got my money out of it. My issue is that PS+ does not do what it says on the tin, and as a user you are required to try and trick the autopatching system in to working correctly.
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