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post #1471 of 2886
11/26/10 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by Bruce M. View Post
Again, understood. Can't help you on the price issue, obviously. But I'm saying, as a pretty picky HDTV-phile, that in my experience following that chart with a set such as the Sony you are considering will lead you to perfectly acceptable tradeoffs between resolution and "flaws"--certainly with a 1080p signal and very likely with 720p or 1080i signals.

I chose a 55HX800 (which is priced lower than the Sharp and by now FAR lower than the HX909), and I have the same viewing distance you will have. I then got it ISF calibrated. Very nice set-up.

A related point, which I'm sure you've also heard, is that in the Era of HD it is really quite rare to get a TV in your home and wish you had gone smaller. The damn things shrink over time.
Any coulding issue on your hx800? That's what is keeping me away from it. I've seen bad clouding on it in store and from owners here. That's partly why I am looking at the HX909. Screen uniformity isn't much of an issue with the blacklight led and local dimming on top of it makes sure it's not an issue.

Wonder if sonystyle canada do financing...
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post #1472 of 2886
11/26/10 at 8:06pm
I cannot see clouding when there is something showing on the TV, light scenes or dark. I can see minor clouding right after turning the TV off. I can't see flashlighting at all.
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post #1473 of 2886
11/26/10 at 8:14pm
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I cannot see clouding when there is something showing on the TV, light scenes or dark. I can see minor clouding right after turning the TV off. I can't see flashlighting at all.
that's nice. at one point, I bought sony's hx701. After returning 2 of their set because of bad clouding (easily noticeable in dark scene even with a backlight if 2 or 3) I gave up on the model. It's the reason I am looking at models with local dimming now.

Clouding is the Bane of 2010. I can't believe that TV manufacturer are actually making TV that are WORST than it was a few years ago when it comes to manufacturing quality. Yes clouding existed before, but it never ever was as widespread as right now and this is accross many different manufacturer (Samsung, Sony, Sharp, etc).

I don't understand how we customer accept screen uniformity issue as something "normal".
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post #1474 of 2886
11/26/10 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by eugle
Hi there!
I am a 40'XBR4 (x3500) owner thinking of upgrade for 52'hx900.
I'am kinda worried after reading some reports considering color from few members (one of them being Viper i think), as i think color reproduction is extremely important especially for that screen size.
I never liked XBR4 colors, they just look cartoonish compared to my semi-pro non calibrated NEC 20'90uxi monitor with an S-IPS panel... and on XBR4 i get noticeable color degradation at the corners if i sit straight perpendicular to the screen centre, cause corners appear somewhat off-axis already..and that like 2 meters distance.
i am worried that HX900 will be not better....
as far as i can see judging by few reports here, color on HX900 is not as detailed as xbr8/xbr4 and doesn't have such "pop" as these two, HOW is this even possible if any wide gamut adantages are cut by rec709 space limitations?

i really don't care about issues like blooming , slight non-uniformity as long as these things just alternate image, it can be somewhat artistic to some extet(like vignetting on some cheap photocamera lenses don't neccessarily spoil the image) but when skintones start to degrade and posterize into red/green with slight off-ange viewing this is untolerable
I have both. The HX900 has far more natural color reproduction than the XBR4. In fact I never saw an LCD that looks so plasmaesque like the HX9. Don't worry about reddish faces or posterization.
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post #1475 of 2886
11/27/10 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by Bruce M. View Post
I cannot see clouding when there is something showing on the TV, light scenes or dark. I can see minor clouding right after turning the TV off. I can't see flashlighting at all.
It does shows up in 3D mode when LED Dynamic Control is turned off, which is an automatic setting that cannot be adjusted. I noticed this recently when viewing A Christmas Carol 3D.

Why does SONY make this incredible feature not available in 3D mode?
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post #1476 of 2886
11/27/10 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by eugle View Post
Hi there!
I am a 40'XBR4 (x3500) owner thinking of upgrade for 52'hx900.
I'am kinda worried after reading some reports considering color from few members (one of them being Viper i think), as i think color reproduction is extremely important especially for that screen size.
I never liked XBR4 colors, they just look cartoonish compared to my semi-pro non calibrated NEC 20'90uxi monitor with an S-IPS panel... and on XBR4 i get noticeable color degradation at the corners if i sit straight perpendicular to the screen centre, cause corners appear somewhat off-axis already..and that like 2 meters distance.
i am worried that HX900 will be not better....
as far as i can see judging by few reports here, color on HX900 is not as detailed as xbr8/xbr4 and doesn't have such "pop" as these two, HOW is this even possible if any wide gamut adantages are cut by rec709 space limitations?

i really don't care about issues like blooming , slight non-uniformity as long as these things just alternate image, it can be somewhat artistic to some extet(like vignetting on some cheap photocamera lenses don't neccessarily spoil the image) but when skintones start to degrade and posterize into red/green with slight off-ange viewing this is untolerable
XBR4/5 (X3500) is a CCFL LCd - XBR8 (X4500) is a Local dimming RGB LED LCd -HX909 is a local dimming WHITE LED LCd,it is no surprise that the XBR8 has better color than the HX909 (Viper owns/owned a XBR8 and a HX909).

I own a 40X3500/46X4500,the X4500 outperformes the X3500 -the HX909 will outperform the X3500 no doubt about that.

There will be off-axis problems its a LED LCd problem,if you not like it go Plasma(but before you do check out Plasma tech problems).
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post #1477 of 2886
11/27/10 at 6:46pm
Hi!

I am interested in purchasing the 52HX909. I have a question that I hope someone here will be able to answer for me.

I would be replacing this with an older model Sony, which had PIP that I loved using. I went to Sony's site and looked up how to turn on the PIP. Sony's answer was -


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The television has a PIP function that works as long as a computer or other device is connected using HDMI with PC Timing.

Once you have your computer connected using an HDMI cable with PC Timing, press the OPTIONS button on the supplied remote and choose Picture In Picture (PIP).

NOTES:

If your connection type and timing are not appropriate, the Picture In Picture option will NOT show up.
All of the supported PC Timings are listed in the i-Manual for your television. Press the iManual button on the remote to access this feature.
The highest resolution the PC can be set to is 1024x768.
The image from the PC will appear on the large screen. The small window supports a signal from the RF input and composite connections.


Upon reading this I didn't understand what they were stating with using the PC. I phoned Sony and the rep told me that I must use my computer for my PIP screen. I am not using my television tuner. My computer and TV are connected by a HDMI cable (I will need a long cable!) I will be able to view my channels (including HBO, etc) using my computer. I could then also use my cable box connecting with red/white/yellow cables as my 2nd tuner.

This will not interfere if my husband wants to just watch TV while I am using the computer.

All of this sounded crazy to me!!! I have known PIP as needing 2 tuners, with most of the TV's having 1 tuner requiring a DVD or VCR to act as a second tuner.

Any input would be appreciated as I am very interested in this TV...but, they confused the heck out of me!

Thanks!

Rose
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post #1478 of 2886
11/28/10 at 10:26am
Sonys LCDs have pip ( pc full screen with small tuner pic in corner ) and pap (hdmi pic on left and tuner on right )

I use pap with my sky box rf lead to hx903 for right picture and ps3 on left
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post #1479 of 2886
11/28/10 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by joncreid View Post

Sonys LCDs have pip ( pc full screen with small tuner pic in corner ) and pap (hdmi pic on left and tuner on right )

I use pap with my sky box rf lead to hx903 for right picture and ps3 on left

So basically the TV only has One tuner, is that correct? And if you want to see something in the PIP then it needs its own source. Like a DVD player, PC or Cable/Satellite and such?
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post #1480 of 2886
11/28/10 at 11:52am
Yes that is how a single tuner PIP set works. What I'm not sure about is other than the tuner, what sources can one use for the second picture. My 2 year old Sony(W4100) allows me to use ANY other input for the second picture, and if using VGA my PC can be any resolution. According to Sonys website it looks like the newer Sonys limit what inputs can be used for the second picture and also limit the PC(VGA) resolution to an awful 1024x768, this just doesn't make sense Who would want to use a 1080 TV in 768 mode
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post #1481 of 2886
11/28/10 at 12:15pm
In pap the second picture is the tuner, so you can use arial or plug sky in via rf lead and tune tv to sky via analogue tuner. Also I've found if you have a component source as you main picture, only the digital tuner can be used as second picture which ruled out the sky trick
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post #1482 of 2886
11/29/10 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by Bruce M. View Post

I cannot see clouding when there is something showing on the TV, light scenes or dark. I can see minor clouding right after turning the TV off. I can't see flashlighting at all.

What setting do you keep the Dynamic Backlight set to? Standard, Low or Off?

Which setting shows the least amount of clouding?
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post #1483 of 2886
11/29/10 at 6:02am
Here is the settings thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1261223
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post #1484 of 2886
11/29/10 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by joncreid View Post

In pap the second picture is the tuner, so you can use arial or plug sky in via rf lead and tune tv to sky via analogue tuner. Also I've found if you have a component source as you main picture, only the digital tuner can be used as second picture which ruled out the sky trick

So the answer to a question ''Does the HX9XX only have one tuner?" that Rose asked and then I reasked is?
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post #1485 of 2886
11/29/10 at 12:35pm
I have been disappointed by the washed pictures on this tv. Comcast hd programs look bad but blu ray is not much better either. I am using settings from doug's thread as well as tried the ones from cnet. The local dimming option is set to standard but no better. It is always as if there is a thin white film over the picture.
Can someone share their settings with me that helped them get over similar issue? I am a HDTV novice and totally at a loss to figure out if this tv can do better or it goes back to the store.

Any responses would be much appreciated.
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post #1486 of 2886
11/29/10 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by neils09 View Post

I have been disappointed by the washed pictures on this tv. Comcast hd programs look bad but blu ray is not much better either. I am using settings from doug's thread as well as tried the ones from cnet. The local dimming option is set to standard but no better. It is always as if there is a thin white film over the picture.
Can someone share their settings with me that helped them get over similar issue? I am a HDTV novice and totally at a loss to figure out if this tv can do better or it goes back to the store.

Any responses would be much appreciated.


There's about a 0.01% chance this will help you, but I have to try - the "ambient sensor" - whose effects are very mild - still took away the rich contrast of the picture - so it's earned a permanent setting of OFF.

I was looking forward to its use, my room goes from really bright to really dark, but having the "ambient sensor" turned on caused me a lot of dissatisfaction until I realized it was causing the washed out pictures. I really wanted it to work, Sony has done the "lumisponder" thing with CRT's for a few decades, but this implementation does subtle harm to the richness of the picture - at least for me.
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post #1487 of 2886
11/29/10 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by neils09 View Post

I have been disappointed by the washed pictures on this tv. Comcast hd programs look bad but blu ray is not much better either. I am using settings from doug's thread as well as tried the ones from cnet. The local dimming option is set to standard but no better. It is always as if there is a thin white film over the picture.
Can someone share their settings with me that helped them get over similar issue? I am a HDTV novice and totally at a loss to figure out if this tv can do better or it goes back to the store.

Any responses would be much appreciated.

The ambient light sensor being off helped reduce this for me. Also, be sure your viewing angle is right. Currently mine is sitting on the floor awaiting a new tv stand. If I stand up, everything washes out because of the more extreme angle.

If neither of those are it, I have no idea. I'm seeing amazing blacks coming close to what I use to get on my KD-34XBR960 CRT.
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post #1488 of 2886
11/30/10 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post
I own a new in box 52 hx 909 ! Wondering if should swap for 55 801, with ps3
I have the 52hx909 and I LOVE it! Blu ray is amazing. Cable is hit or miss, based on the quality of the station. Fox and ESPN HD football is sub par, but NBC and CBS is amazing! I love this tv. Does not look washed out to me and my PS3 and XBOX 360 games look great.
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post #1489 of 2886
11/30/10 at 9:02am
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I have the 52hx909 and I LOVE it! Blu ray is amazing. Cable is hit or miss, based on the quality of the station. Fox and ESPN HD football is sub par, but NBC and CBS is amazing! I love this tv. Does not look washed out to me and my PS3 and XBOX 360 games look great.
notice any input lag while playing your xbox 360?
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post #1490 of 2886
11/30/10 at 11:36am
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I have the 52hx909 and I LOVE it! Blu ray is amazing. Cable is hit or miss, based on the quality of the station. Fox and ESPN HD football is sub par, but NBC and CBS is amazing! I love this tv. Does not look washed out to me and my PS3 and XBOX 360 games look great.

I wish Fox and ESPN would broadcast in 1080.
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post #1491 of 2886
11/30/10 at 2:12pm
I agree but have been told many times that it's never going to happen
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post #1492 of 2886
11/30/10 at 2:48pm
I am considering a HX909 got a deal for 1500$.
Is that better than NX810.

HX909 has a "Intelligent Dynamic LED", basically full array local dimming.
But Cnet review for the same claimed it exhibited flares and halos !!

NX810 seems to be more expensive at the moment.
How do you think it compares to HX909 in terms of PQ.

Also, there might be a possible deal for HX800 for 1000$.
Is that worth the PQ at that price ?
compared to NX810.

please let me know.
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post #1493 of 2886
11/30/10 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by barney24 View Post

I am considering a HX909 got a deal for 1500$.
Is that better than NX810.

HX909 has a "Intelligent Dynamic LED", basically full array local dimming.
But Cnet review for the same claimed it exhibited flares and halos !!

NX810 seems to be more expensive at the moment.
How do you think it compares to HX909 in terms of PQ.

Also, there might be a possible deal for HX800 for 1000$.
Is that worth the PQ at that price ?
compared to NX810.

please let me know.

Hx909 is the best. It is a steal at price mentioned.
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post #1494 of 2886
11/30/10 at 7:21pm
Does anyone know why there are very few stores (especially authorized dealers) selling the 46HX909. I see all these great deals on the 52inch but nothing really for the 46in from authorized dealers. Sometimes the 52 is half the price of the 46. There are a few non AD deals but they are a bit sketchy. I have been waiting on this set for awhile and don't know if i should just give up and get the NX810. I really want this set but can't afford spending the standard $3100 everyone has it for.

Also please don't say to just get the 52inch. The 46 would already be on the too big side for the room its going into.

Thx
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post #1495 of 2886
11/30/10 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by dolemite_1 View Post

Does anyone know why there are very few stores (especially authorized dealers) selling the 46HX909. I see all these great deals on the 52inch but nothing really for the 46in from authorized dealers. Sometimes the 52 is half the price of the 46. There are a few non AD deals but they are a bit sketchy. I have been waiting on this set for awhile and don't know if i should just give up and get the NX810. I really want this set but can't afford spending the standard $3100 everyone has it for.

Also please don't say to just get the 52inch. The 46 would already be on the too big side for the room its going into.

Thx

the 46" is indeed a rare item. How far will you be from the TV ?
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11/30/10 at 11:24pm
I cannot believe my luck! I had given up hope of getting a flat panel TV anytime soon, much less the one I would get if money were no object. Found this 52 bad boy at a price that was incredible at my local Fry's, so I pulled the trigger on the 28th of October (and got a lollypop for only 2399 pennies) I just saw an add on Monday for said establishment Holy cow! Major Name Brand 3D LED HDTV, 240 Hz, backlit local dimming ??? could it be??? I called It is! Even more of an incredible/insane price! (and I see the lollypops are only 1498 pennies now too!). My only problem is I bought mine 32 days ago, and they only have a 30-day price assurance. The manager will not refund the extra, but he did agree to give me a store credit for the price difference. Shees! I probably won't be able to find a single thing that I could want or use from that establishment! Nuts!

In all seriousness, I think there may be some truth to the rumors of the HX900's coming demise. Sharp panel problems (as in getting them in sufficient quantities), economic times & hardships, just to name a few glitches the end may be fast approaching for this model. And I'm already on record that it will be another couple years before this level of quality is achieved again. (Think XBR 4, XBR 8, XBR HX900 ) I'm thanking my lucky stars that I got one and at such an incredible price
If you are on the fence, you might want to get moving ASAP remember, take it from me, I'm a Professional fence sitter. That means I am a pain in the a$$!
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12/1/10 at 5:23am
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I cannot believe my luck! I had given up hope of getting a flat panel TV anytime soon, much less the one I would get if money were no object. Found this 52 bad boy at a price that was incredible at my local Fry's, so I pulled the trigger on the 28th of October (and got a lollypop for only 2399 pennies) I just saw an add on Monday for said establishment Holy cow! Major Name Brand 3D LED HDTV, 240 Hz, backlit local dimming ??? could it be??? I called It is! Even more of an incredible/insane price! (and I see the lollypops are only 1498 pennies now too!). My only problem is I bought mine 32 days ago, and they only have a 30-day price assurance. The manager will not refund the extra, but he did agree to give me a store credit for the price difference. Shees! I probably won't be able to find a single thing that I could want or use from that establishment! Nuts!

In all seriousness, I think there may be some truth to the rumors of the HX900's coming demise. Sharp panel problems (as in getting them in sufficient quantities), economic times & hardships, just to name a few glitches the end may be fast approaching for this model. And I'm already on record that it will be another couple years before this level of quality is achieved again. (Think XBR 4, XBR 8, XBR HX900 ) I'm thanking my lucky stars that I got one and at such an incredible price
If you are on the fence, you might want to get moving ASAP remember, take it from me, I'm a Professional fence sitter. That means I am a pain in the a$$!

That Fry's ad was kind of a scam if you ask me. There's a thread over on Slickdeals where a bunch of people discovered that most of the stores didn't even have one to sell. My local store didn't.
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post #1498 of 2886
12/1/10 at 5:56am
Yes, but even if only one store had it, they could advertise as such. I just wish they would drop the "major brand name" stuff and state which maker/model. I'm just fortunate that the manager will give me the store credit ($910.00) that I'm technically 2 days past! And that kinda money will never be turned down! By anyone!
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12/1/10 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by AVTrauma View Post

I cannot believe my luck! I had given up hope of getting a flat panel TV anytime soon, much less the one I would get if money were no object. Found this 52 bad boy at a price that was incredible at my local Fry's, so I pulled the trigger on the 28th of October (and got a lollypop for only 2399 pennies) I just saw an add on Monday for said establishment Holy cow! Major Name Brand 3D LED HDTV, 240 Hz, backlit local dimming ??? could it be??? I called It is! Even more of an incredible/insane price! (and I see the lollypops are only 1498 pennies now too!). My only problem is I bought mine 32 days ago, and they only have a 30-day price assurance. The manager will not refund the extra, but he did agree to give me a store credit for the price difference. Shees! I probably won't be able to find a single thing that I could want or use from that establishment! Nuts!

In all seriousness, I think there may be some truth to the rumors of the HX900's coming demise. Sharp panel problems (as in getting them in sufficient quantities), economic times & hardships, just to name a few glitches the end may be fast approaching for this model. And I'm already on record that it will be another couple years before this level of quality is achieved again. (Think XBR 4, XBR 8, XBR HX900 ) I'm thanking my lucky stars that I got one and at such an incredible price
If you are on the fence, you might want to get moving ASAP remember, take it from me, I'm a Professional fence sitter. That means I am a pain in the a$$!

I am on the fence as well but the price in Canada didn't drop significantly right now and that bugs me. I'm interested in the TV, but the prices are insanes. Best price I saw for the 46" was 2500$ and the best price I saw for the 52" was 3300$ We are very, very far from the pricing you mention. even on sony style Canada, you may get the 46" at 2700$ and the 52" for 3K$

At the pricing you guys are having, I'd jump on one right away.
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post #1500 of 2886
12/1/10 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by AVTrauma View Post

Yes, but even if only one store had it, they could advertise as such.

How is that right? It was advertised in the local paper and the only local store had none to sell. I've had issues with Fry's in the past and this just gives me another reason not to shop there. I ended up buying a cheaper model at Costco with a three year warranty and a 90 day no questions asked return policy.
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