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post #1531 of 2895
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Here I have a HX909 Teardown

Cool stuff.
One quick question- When I look through the vents on the back of my HX909, I see few columns of LEDs. Infact for a while I thought those were all the LEDs this TV has. Anyways, in your tear down I don't see those visible LEDs at all. Where exactly are the arrays of LED located?
post #1532 of 2895
I wanted to add my review/opinion on the HX909 by Sony.

A little background is needed before I start. I own a Pioneer Elite Pro 111 and a Pioneer Elite ( 768p model, 8G). I will be comparing the 52HX909 to these tv's.

I was able to sit down and demo the 52HX909 for a decent amount of time with a Sony PS3. I played Gran Turismo 5 on it and used settings that are available in the settings thread for this tv on the forum.

First things first.... as much as I love the Pioneer tv's... something I always had a problem with them for gaming ( movies not so much an issue) is the PWM noise and screen uniformity. This is way more noticable with games then movies. So playing on the Sony was a real treat as there is obviously no PWM noise. Another issue with the Pioneer plasma's is screen uniformity. Again movies it's not noticable but with games that use at times bright solid colors you can see uneveness on the Pioneer Panel. I personally can't stand this about the Pioneers( I also see this on other plasma sets). Again the Sony did not show this flaw.

So far so good! Now playing with GT5 which is a 60fps game you can easily see if a tv can handle fast motion. With the Sony set to clear 1 I was amazed! I never saw an lcd or any tv other then crt handle motion this well! I was really impressed! The Pioneers have phosphor lag which shows light yellow streaks behind objects. So going to the Sony there was none of that! It really handles motion like none other I have seen, this is no lie.

As for the color on the set, I used the settings provided on this forum and I would say they were very good. The contrast was incredible, there was a decent amount of light hitting the screen and it was able to maintain that black look whereas my Pioneers get washed out with excessive light on them. This made a noticable difference to me vs the Pioneers. I couldn't use the Sony in complete darkness so I cant comment on absolute blacks but I can't imagine them being worse then the two Pioneers I have.

I know input lag is a taboo phrase in this thread and I will keep this short. From playing GT5 I didn't notice any more lag then the Pioneers. It felt around 2-3 frames, or the same as the Pioneer ones. If your a gamer this really is the tv to get in my opinion. For movies some MAY prefer the more crt look of the plasma and I would understand that.

The bottom line is Sony really made a fantastic tv. I personally am VERY picky about tv's and I have been down on lcd's for years since owning the Pioneer plasmas. After playing with the HX909 I can safely say they had made a tv that has alot of the benefits of plasma( excellent contrast, better then plasma motion handling, great color calibrated) without the some of the negatives of plasma( Image retention, phosphor lag/blur,pwm noise, not bright full screen white, uneven screen uniformity).

Consider this critic en-lighted after playing with the HX909
post #1533 of 2895
Cheer dude, great review

I've just pounced on a 52HX903 which I'll be comparing to my Pioneer 5090 (UK versions of your sets). Ought to get some good testing in next week!
post #1534 of 2895
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Originally Posted by daddyorchips View Post

Cheer dude, great review

I've just pounced on a 52HX903 which I'll be comparing to my Pioneer 5090 (UK versions of your sets). Ought to get some good testing in next week!

I honestly think your going to love it mate! Its really an amazing set, regardless what Cnet and crew say. The glass front really allows lcd show one of its strengths and thats the clarity. Matte screen cause this sparkly effect that is totally gone with a glass front.

I want to grab the 46 inch version for the bedroom for the games, but its proving hard if not impossible to find a brick and mortar store that carries the 46 inch one :/
post #1535 of 2895
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Originally Posted by NOCAN View Post

Yea, it was pretty rare that a Fry's would have one in stock but it wasn't a scam. Some people did get them at that 1500 price point and a couple Fry's were giving out rain checks (sounds like this was hit or miss). I think delivery on some extra units was reported to be for Dec. 2nd.

I actually was lucky and was able to get a rain check for that exact price, whether or not I'm able to get the unit once they are delivered to my Fry's is another matter. Will just have to keep fingers crossed. I don't particularly need a new TV but at that price, this should be a good upgrade from the 5 year old 42" Panasonic Viera I'm using.

Fry's delivery warehouse in the Bay Area got some more (30+?) 52HX909s today and I and others were able to use our rainchecks from last week. (For those still with outstanding Bay Area rainchecks, I would be surprised if today's inventory refresh was not gone by early evening, but perhaps there will be more coming in before others' rainchecks expire near the end of the month.)

So does such a sale suggest that the HX909 has been officially EOLed? One Magnolia salesperson told me that this was the case.

For what it's worth, I passed my raincheck on to a friend. The glossy screen on the HX909 was a dealbreaker for me. (I might as well start considering plasmas if I'm going to consider such a very reflective LCD screen.) The matte (in reality nowadays, actually semi-glossy) screen on the upcoming and purportedly fantastic LG LEX8 (with "Nano LED" backlighting) gives me some hope for finding something both acceptable for my viewing environment and more cutting edge. We'll see.
post #1536 of 2895
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Originally Posted by skypilotofhope View Post

Yes, I notice it when watching 3D. In 3D mode, LED Dynamic Control is not an option; by default, it's turned off.

I recently posted that I don't understand the rationale behind this. Besides, this is one of the penultimate features of this TV. Why not allow the option in 3D?

3D is still very new. In 3D mode, the video processor must disable all temporal processing, unless it maintains separate left-right pipelines. So I'd be curious to know if the MotionFlow feature works in 3D mode; I bet it doesn't. The LED Dynamic Control chip might have been designed before the 3D formats were known, so it may be necessary for the TV to disable the feature in 3D mode.
post #1537 of 2895
Firmware has ben updated to 4.086. Wonder what is new??
post #1538 of 2895
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Originally Posted by igupta View Post

Firmware has ben updated to 4.086. Wonder what is new??

Sonystlye still shows the older version, so does my tv.
post #1539 of 2895
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Originally Posted by Hamel View Post


So does such a sale suggest that the HX909 has been officially EOLed? One Magnolia salesperson told me that this was the case.


Yup. From what I've heard, and I'm not sure exactly how true this is, that after this year Sony is retiring the entire "XBR" moniker and will produce their premium sets under the "ES" marque going forward.
post #1540 of 2895
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Originally Posted by loudog2 View Post

Sonystlye still shows the older version, so does my tv.

Is your auto update on. You can also manually update. Mine updated last night. Before that mine was 4.081 too.
post #1541 of 2895
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Originally Posted by igupta View Post

Is your auto update on. You can also manually update. Mine updated last night. Before that mine was 4.081 too.

Yes mine is on. Where are you located? Look at sony support page, click on firmware and look at the date and version:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...R52HX909&LOC=3
post #1542 of 2895
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Originally Posted by loudog2 View Post

Yes mine is on. Where are you located? Look at sony support page, click on firmware and look at the date and version:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...R52HX909&LOC=3

I am located in indianapolis, IN. Sony website information updates a week later, I think to prevent overloading of server.
post #1543 of 2895
Just got it finally. Probally a staggered roll out.
post #1544 of 2895
Seriosly considering this tv will I see a big difference in picture quality from my Samsung UN46B8000
post #1545 of 2895
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Originally Posted by Hamel View Post

For what it's worth, I passed my raincheck on to a friend. The glossy screen on the HX909 was a dealbreaker for me.

I am one of the lucky Fry's customers who received this marvel last Saturday. Maybe an expert can chime in here, but this set does not appear to have a glossy reflective screen. The surface is very glossy, but it looks to me like there is anti-reflective treatment behind the surface, which seems to reduce glare considerably when the set is in use.
post #1546 of 2895
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Yup. From what I've heard, and I'm not sure exactly how true this is, that after this year Sony is retiring the entire "XBR" moniker and will produce their premium sets under the "ES" marque going forward.

Man, talk about the end of an era. As long as the products stay great, I guess it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Rebound View Post

I am one of the lucky Fry's customers who received this marvel last Saturday. Maybe an expert can chime in here, but this set does not appear to have a glossy reflective screen. The surface is very glossy, but it looks to me like there is anti-reflective treatment behind the surface, which seems to reduce glare considerably when the set is in use.

That's definitely the case. Something in the resin that sits between the glass and the panel itself has antiglare properties, I believe.

Congrats on acquiring a fantastic display.
post #1547 of 2895
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Originally Posted by Rebound View Post

I am one of the lucky Fry's customers who received this marvel last Saturday. Maybe an expert can chime in here, but this set does not appear to have a glossy reflective screen. The surface is very glossy, but it looks to me like there is anti-reflective treatment behind the surface, which seems to reduce glare considerably when the set is in use.

I just finally got a call back from Fry's yesterday regarding my rain check and picked it up. They are parseling them out one by one apparently in order as they gave out the rain checks.

This is such an upgrade from my old Panasonic plasma and at that crazy Fry's price point, who can argue with the purchase? I haven't had much time to test it out but just watching some Planet Earth scenes last night were amazing.
post #1548 of 2895
The HX909 I have is connected to Sony Blu-Ray player (Costco version of 570), which has inbuilt WiFi in it. Do I still need a separate WiFi dongle for the TV? I want the TV to be able to download the latest firmware updates etc, however I don't know how to make the TV connect to the internet through WiFi in my blu-ray.
post #1549 of 2895
Is the HX909 the top of the line model out right now from Sony?
post #1550 of 2895
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Originally Posted by neils09 View Post

The HX909 I have is connected to Sony Blu-Ray player (Costco version of 570), which has inbuilt WiFi in it. Do I still need a separate WiFi dongle for the TV? I want the TV to be able to download the latest firmware updates etc, however I don't know how to make the TV connect to the internet through WiFi in my blu-ray.

YOu need a serperate adapter or a wired connection.
post #1551 of 2895
Hi everyone, I've been following this forum for a few months now and finally decided to dive in a purchase a 52" HX909. coming from a 60" XBR Grand WEGA, this TV is amazing. However I noticed the TV is very slow in response to the remote commands.

It's painfully slow channel surfing (without holding down the channel up/down button) Even navigating the menu or entering directly into a different channel is slow as hell. Sometimes I would enter to a channel and if I press enter too late, but before it auto enters for me, it would enter to that channel after i press enter, and re-enter again to the same channel right after it's already in the channel!

There seems to be a .5-1 second delay in doing almost everything. Is this normal with the TV or LCD's in general? I called the repair place who does the repair for the Sony store I bought the TV at and the guy came to check it out. He just told me maybe this is the way Sony designed the TV. Which doesn't make sense cause my brother's EX400 series LCD seems to work way faster.
post #1552 of 2895
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Originally Posted by neils09 View Post

The HX909 I have is connected to Sony Blu-Ray player (Costco version of 570), which has inbuilt WiFi in it. Do I still need a separate WiFi dongle for the TV? I want the TV to be able to download the latest firmware updates etc, however I don't know how to make the TV connect to the internet through WiFi in my blu-ray.

You need Sony's Wireless LAN Adapter, # UWABR100. Cheers.
post #1553 of 2895
Any owner can comment on motion blur when watching sport, espicially hockey? I am considering this TV. Just came from bestbuy with my console and I think the input lag is low enough to the point I don't notice it in gaming so the only thing holding me back beside the huge pill to swallow regarding pricing is if this TV performs well with flast movement on screen.

Unfortunately, the BB has some OTA signal to the TV and on fast movement, it would create some artifacts on screen. Only the hx909 and the ex710 would do this in store. the BB guy told me it's their signal and how these sony tv reacts to it and told me I shouldn't have to worry about it when I get home.

anyone can confirm?

on a side note, regarding gaming, I was able to play some halo 3 on this TV. First thing that pop was how great the PQ was even in game mode. Now I was in game scene, with game-original selected, I even went and added the local dimming with very little difference, anyway from what I could see.

then I tried the same sequence on the LG Le8500 (a local dimming led). I believe I could tell that the LG was a bit faster in response (not by much) but the thing that striked me the most was how bad the game looked in game mode on the LG. It was really a big step down. It was as if Anti-aliasing was on when playing on the hx909 and off on the LG 8500. There were jaggies everywhere.
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Hi

I just bought and had all set up the 46nx810, but I was looking at the 52hx909 also. The only reason I chose the nx810 was price. I didn't see the hx909 being as cheap in some places as it has been. I really wish I had noticed the Fry's price, as I did check out the special they had on the hx800. I didn't even look at the hx909 when I went there. Anyway as I have 30 days to decide if I want to keep the 46nx810, I was wondering if anybody knows of a good decent cheap price for the hx909. I ended up paying just under $2000 for the NX810 so anywhere near there would be cool. I live in Los Angeles and the store I bought the TV from does Price Matching. I really want to change to the hx909, it is just pricing that has kept me from doing so. I saw it at Sony Style store in L.A. for $2800. I was hoping someone here has seen it for less then that somewhere. Thanks for any help you can give. I really love the HX909 and am hoping I can change.

Jeff
post #1555 of 2895
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Originally Posted by jrosene28
Hi

I just bought and had all set up the 46nx810, but I was looking at the 52hx909 also. The only reason I chose the nx810 was price. I didn't see the hx909 being as cheap in some places as it has been. I really wish I had noticed the Fry's price, as I did check out the special they had on the hx800. I didn't even look at the hx909 when I went there. Anyway as I have 30 days to decide if I want to keep the 46nx810, I was wondering if anybody knows of a good decent cheap price for the hx909. I ended up paying just under $2000 for the NX810 so anywhere near there would be cool. I live in Los Angeles and the store I bought the TV from does Price Matching. I really want to change to the hx909, it is just pricing that has kept me from doing so. I saw it at Sony Style store in L.A. for $2800. I was hoping someone here has seen it for less then that somewhere. Thanks for any help you can give. I really love the HX909 and am hoping I can change.

Jeff
I just traded my Panasonic V25 for the 52hx909 for $2,599, they probably have the 46 for what you paid for the NX810. I am in Las Vegas.
post #1556 of 2895
Check Craigslist, I just did and saw 52HX909 for 2250 along with a bunch for 2800. I'd post the link but I'm not allowed to.
post #1557 of 2895
Have any of you tried 720p120? I believe Super Stardust 3D on the PS3 can output 720p120 (60fps per eye). Newer nVidia and ATI graphics cards with HDMI v1.4 outputs should be able to send a 720p120 signal. Anyone tried this either?
post #1558 of 2895
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Originally Posted by CMPMERIDIAN View Post

I just traded my Panasonic V25 for the 52hx909 for $2,599, they probably have the 46 for what you paid for the NX810. I am in Las Vegas.

Any reason why u will trade the panasonic for the sony?
post #1559 of 2895
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Originally Posted by CMPMERIDIAN View Post

I just traded my Panasonic V25 for the 52hx909 for $2,599, they probably have the 46 for what you paid for the NX810. I am in Las Vegas.

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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Yup. From what I've heard, and I'm not sure exactly how true this is, that after this year Sony is retiring the entire "XBR" moniker and will produce their premium sets under the "ES" marque going forward.

I believe these will the last great Sony tv we will see in a while cos SONY is going El cheapo based on this Wall street journal article
post #1560 of 2895
Went to try this TV again last night, this time the 46" model. Not sure if my mind is playing tricks on me or not but I felt the input lag was lower than the 52" model. I couldn't notice input lag in some games that I thought I had notice before.

The only thing I notice that bugged me, beside the enormous price tag, is the blur with movement when playing games. Granted, motion blur is part of what you have to deal with with LCD but I got to notice it a bit more. Not sure if it's because I am looking at a bigger TV (I have a 32" at home). Wonder if this is normal or not.

Also got to watch hockey with it, notice little artifacts surrounding the players on Clear 1. Couldn't really see it on Clear 2 but the screen was noticeably darker. For some reason, I can't remember how was Standard. Bottom line, TV was doing ok with sports. It was easy to compare since I had Sony's ex600 (a led 60hz tv) right next to it so you really see the difference in the screen.
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