Official Sony XBR HX909 owners' thread (52HX909, 46HX909, HX9, HX900) - Page 2

Originally Posted by Andrew67

LCD's struggle with 3D and it will take a year or two to iron out the wrinkles. When choosing a 3DTV you really need to weigh the pros and cons of each display tech, room, and lighting. You're not going to find a perfect 3DTV this year*, but the HX909 appears to be the most balanced of all the 3D LCD panels at this time.

*If you're not interested in 3D at all, a 2010 model may not even be the best choice.

Originally Posted by zeromothra

True, but a most of the 2009's are gone, no...
I mean you can't just go out and pick up that B/L LD Sammy, can you?

Originally Posted by zeromothra

I stand corrected. You can get the sammy, but jeez, you could get the 909 cheaper...
And after seeing the 909 reflection treatment, that sammy screen is looking awfully shiny.

Here's hoping this review gets passed the awful first (in-store) experience I had with this set, which I've gotta hope/believe was content/settings based and not the set itself.

Question: Why, on the CNET video is there so much flicker on about 50% of the screen closeups of the 909 (2:58 in and 2:40 in)?
You could chaulk it up to the video process they use, but I saw NONE on the sammy video using (assumption here) the same technique and equipment.

Originally Posted by Andrew67

LCD's struggle with 3D and it will take a year or two to iron out the wrinkles. When choosing a 3DTV you really need to weigh the pros and cons of each display tech, room, and lighting. You're not going to find a perfect 3DTV this year*, but the HX909 appears to be the most balanced of all the 3D LCD panels at this time.

*If you're not interested in 3D at all, a 2010 model may not even be the best choice.

Originally Posted by aquastorm

See I really personally feel like the whole 3D with glasses thing is a silly gimmick that's going to pass by fairly quickly. I mean does anyone really see the feasibility in wearing 3D glasses when watching tv? I have a feeling people will use it for the first couple of months (at most) and then those glasses will end up wedged under the couch or in a drawer somewhere never to be used. From what I'm gathering from reviews of the VT25 is its got an amazing 2D picture so I wouldn't mind getting that tv as it seems to have the best 2D and 3D picture available today aside from maybe a Kuro.

Originally Posted by Samckaz

Also remember this is a " Backlit unit as opposed to a "Edgelit unit- backlit units dont suffer from Flashlight defects.

Originally Posted by aquastorm

See I really personally feel like the whole 3D with glasses thing is a silly gimmick that's going to pass by fairly quickly.

Originally Posted by Samckaz

Zeromothra: Please explain. You said you saw the TV at the store and then you are concerned by the flickering you noticed on the Cnet video.
Well, did you see the flickering at the store?
I saw the TV in person in the Sony store and to my eyes this thing was a sheer beauty.

Please elaborate

Originally Posted by westa6969

You really need to study history of AV as it will prove you 100% wrong

Originally Posted by westa6969

"3D models to account for over 86% of total PDP (Plasma) TV shipments in 2013, says Displaybank"

Originally Posted by westa6969

You really need to study history of AV as it will prove you 100% wrong. People will put on glasses for major sporting events, movies and video gaming and there will be a future without glasses at some point as 3D evolves. Born in 1950 I've been around through TV's entire evolution and it's far more exciting now than ever and yet each year we place the bar higher. I remember when CRT tubes were the only thing and for a couple of decades the largest TV was 27" and now we have HT's better than the Movie House - they pooh pooh HD as a gimmick also and guess what? We're in the infancy as Ultra HD will blow away what we view today. Ultra HD broadcast have been tested successfully in Japan for 3 years and they are working on a version for the 2012 Summer Olympics in England the hold back was broadband pipe and speed and that has now been resolved with new technology Cisco has developed that can handle it easily in the future.

Damn have you even seen Video Gaming with the glasses - done right it's amazing and virtually all sporting events will migrate to 3D starting this fall - Sony does most of the camera work and it shall grow far beyond a gimmick because those in control of the source content will make it so. There's money to be made and it is the evolution of the media.

I believe I recall the same thing said about X360, PS3, BD Players et al and they have evolved despite the doubting Thomases. I'd bet within 5 years Ultra HD will be replacing Blu-Ray. Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Vizio et al, are committed to 3D via LCD.

"3D models to account for over 86% of total PDP (Plasma) TV shipments in 2013, says Displaybank"

BTW I carefully viewed the HX909 two days ago at our Sonystyle for about 40 minutes and while the focus was 3D - there were about 20 varieties of content and I found most of it to be excellent, especially video gaming is taken to a new level not experienced before in 2D. While it was not perfect throughout I found it quite excellent and the blacks were great, football has great potential with 3D from viewing the USC/Buckeye ESPN 3D Game. I wrote a lengthy review in the 2010 thread. I'd rather trust the actual owners experinces in the weeks ahead. If what your viewing makes you involuntarily verbalize WoW! --- then it works in my book and 3D will only get better. Firmware and wireless makes these panels upgradable and 3D enhancement during ownership we didn't have the ability a few years ago.

Originally Posted by aquastorm

Panasonic apparently blows the doors off of the Sony for both 2D and 3D.

Originally Posted by vladi123456

Those are strong words.....
But as far as I recall - even CNET admitted in their review that Sony HX909 had better blacks than Panny's plasma - can't remember which model though.

Originally Posted by aquastorm

Well yah, but the review of the Sony on Cnet isn't very positive really. Cnet says about the Panasonic "3D picture quality aside, the Panasonic VT20/25 is among the best-performing televisions we've tested yet. It offers the standard uniformity advantages over LCD--excellent off-angle fidelity, uniform brightness and color across the screen--along with the best black level performance of any non-Kuro plasma we've ever tested, and highly accurate color overall".

They said the black levels on the Sony were good but tinged blue but obviously they are nowhere near as black as the VT25.

Originally Posted by aquastorm

They said the black levels on the Sony were good but tinged blue but obviously they are nowhere near as black as the VT25.

Originally Posted by westa6969

You really need to study history of AV as it will prove you 100% wrong. People will put on glasses for major sporting events, movies and video gaming and there will be a future without glasses at some point as 3D evolves. Born in 1950 I've been around through TV's entire evolution and it's far more exciting now than ever and yet each year we place the bar higher. I remember when CRT tubes were the only thing and for a couple of decades the largest TV was 27" and now we have HT's better than the Movie House - they pooh pooh HD as a gimmick also and guess what? We're in the infancy as Ultra HD will blow away what we view today. Ultra HD broadcast have been tested successfully in Japan for 3 years and they are working on a version for the 2012 Summer Olympics in England the hold back was broadband pipe and speed and that has now been resolved with new technology Cisco has developed that can handle it easily in the future.

Damn have you even seen Video Gaming with the glasses - done right it's amazing and virtually all sporting events will migrate to 3D starting this fall - Sony does most of the camera work and it shall grow far beyond a gimmick because those in control of the source content will make it so. There's money to be made and it is the evolution of the media.

I believe I recall the same thing said about X360, PS3, BD Players et al and they have evolved despite the doubting Thomases. I'd bet within 5 years Ultra HD will be replacing Blu-Ray. Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Vizio et al, are committed to 3D via LCD.

"3D models to account for over 86% of total PDP (Plasma) TV shipments in 2013, says Displaybank"

Originally Posted by Andrew67

It's not like 3D with glasses has ever failed before.



So 86% of the plasmas to be sold will include 3D. How many of them will actually be used for 3D? Misleading statistic. I wonder how many HD-DVD players Toshiba projected to sell? And what were the projections on Sony's minidisc?

Originally Posted by daniyar79

1. Increasing resolution is not a gimmick, wearing glasses to watch TV is. I don't know of many more hard core hockey and soccer fans than me, but even if they paid me to watch it in 3D with glasses, I'd switch back to 2D. True fans don't care about how it looks, they care about the sport. Plus, what do you do if you already wear glasses? Use both? How do you host a Superbowl party, buy 10 pairs of $200 glasses or ask everyone to bring their own? It's a gimmick until they come out with 3D TVs without glasses..

Originally Posted by ordiesep88

it was like seeing a pair of double D's for the first time..lol..

Originally Posted by ordiesep88

Finally i came across the 52HX909 i've read so much or so little about (at the time no cnet review or barely any consumer reviews) and my eyes opened up so much it was like seeing a pair of double D's for the first time..lol..i was just amazed by everything this tv was showing me. First images were of a World Cup game which was already set up for 3D. Employee hands me 3D glasses..wow!!!..better than watching 3D at the movie theater. I asked him to swith it to 2D and by the press of a button i start seeing it in 2D. The PQ was awesome! Better than any tv in the store. I tried looking for blooming and crosstalk in 3D which was my main concern since its been rumored the tv shows some of both but i didn't see any blooming and the crosstalk not so much but if you really, really look for it you might see it. not a deal breaker though, absolutely not. You can't be too picky these days. The best full array LED tv i've ever seen!

Originally Posted by theblackkeys

For me it was like seeing 2 pairs of double D's.

Originally Posted by ordiesep88

You can't be too picky these days.