Originally Posted by oink
When you open your front door and look out do you see grain (living in the desert doesn't count)???
It's not a part of the world we live in.
Movies are not real life.
You're smarter than this argument you're making here, oink.
Grain is NOT image detail!!
Grain is the detail of film stock (most).
"Film grain" is a part of a medium (FILM) used to capture what we see or the filmmaker wants us to see.
Film grain is only relevant to devices recording with film, nothing else.
You're trying to separate the medium from the subject matter. You can't. Any work of art is inherently a combination of the subject and the medium. If you go to a museum, do you complain about those nasty brush strokes you see on the canvases? Would you prefer to see the Mona Lisa in person, up close, or to look at a digital photo of it that's been run through a heavy gaussian blur filter in Photoshop?
If you believe that the only important thing in a movie is what
is being photographed in front of the camera, and not the way it was photographed
, then you're not just arguing against grain. You're also arguing against composition. (Are you a pan & scan advocate too?). You're arguing against lighting. You're arguing against color filters, and rack focus, and camera pans, and dolly or crane shots, and editing, and any other tool that the director and cinematographer use to tell their story through photographic images.
Essentially, what you're saying is that so long as you've got Arnold Schwarzenegger in a jungle with a gun, then Predator would always be the same movie, whether it was filmed the way that John McTiernan shot it, or whether it was shot entirely with a camcorder on a tripod 20 feet back from the action. I mean, Arnold's still there running around the jungle, isn't he? It's all the same thing in the end, right?
If that's what you believe, then you have no understanding of cinematic language, or filmmaking as an art form at all.
I don't think that's the case. I think you're just being stubborn. But you should know better.