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post #31 of 187
7/6/10 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by billdag View Post

B&H in NY has it for $755 including free shipping in USA. Very reputable site. Have purchased 3 camcorders and more from them with zero problems. Check them out at Resellerratings.com

Sorry. My mistake. that is for the TM700 with the 32 GB flash.
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post #32 of 187
7/6/10 at 12:50pm
Great another TM700 issue. I was actually on here looking into the old thread as I try to remove fan noise...during a huge tornado no less lol(for sure thanks to water on the mic and the lcd likely having gone closed then making the fan louder). I then stumbled onto this stutter deal and am now pretty certain that is what my latest issue is. Learning to hate this camcorder.

I have always shot with manual focus on set at infinity, swearing off any autofocus, cause it just doesn't work at all on storms. So I've been certain I was either using the buried in scene mode landscape option, that has infinity(so amazingly stupid it's only in there....in scene modes that then limit other aspects like oh shutter/iris!...but who'd want those and infinity focus at the same time).....or I was using autofocus to get a infinity focus on something sharp then locking it by going over to manual.

Well at several points in my videos from this year(some good tornado video no-less...."easily repeatable events" you know).....it acts like the damn autofocus was on...but differently. It's like a real shallow fast "focus hunt" then back out. But I am certain these were either on manual focus or I was in landscape scene mode to get it locked out to infinity. So annoying. It doesn't do it terribly frequently thank god but at times it does it enough to be plenty annoying. I find myself watching for it rather than just watching the damn video. It's "hunt" range is far less than typical focus hunting and it is always that same distance then back to infinity. #$%@#$@#

Anyway...I assume this is the same sort of issue being discussed here by the sounds of it. All I know for sure is that these are all at flat normal viewing angles off on the horizon, maybe zoomed in was worse. They might happen at larger ones obviously, but all my footage showing it is flat level footage. Likely a mix of OIS on and off....always mounted to my car window. I know I've forgotten to take OIS off when I do it sometimes but not all cases. I'm pretty certain it is doing it in both. I was thinking, maybe it's just the infinity setting in landscape mode causing it. I also wondered if it was maybe doing it in the greater than 12x optical range using that enhanced optical range deal to 18x I think it is. Maybe that is it? Not sure I've never noticed it backed out wide.

Also while I'm at it lol. I've never seen a camera behave so badly with auto white balance in my life. Learning to use the manual mode finally, as in set it yourself as the presets don't offer much.

Then toss in just the user interface when trying to do things manually and the camera gets more annoying. Take out the fan noise, the jitter, add an infinity lock option that doesn't lock you in a scene mode, temper the auto-white balance behaviour...ah screw it....list is getting too long for me to ever really like the damn thing. But believe me, I want to! Bought the external mic to cure fan noise as much as possible and now each windy segment it sounds like pop corn. So removing that now too lol.
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post #33 of 187
7/6/10 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by billdag View Post

B&H in NY has it for $755 including free shipping in USA. Very reputable site. Have purchased 3 camcorders and more from them with zero problems. Check them out at Resellerratings.com

Panasonic HDC-HS700K $1,060.00


Panasonic HDC-TM700K $735.99
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post #34 of 187
7/6/10 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by xtremeinsability View Post

Great another TM700 issue. I was actually on here looking into the old thread as I try to remove fan noise...during a huge tornado no less lol(for sure thanks to water on the mic and the lcd likely having gone closed then making the fan louder). I then stumbled onto this stutter deal and am now pretty certain that is what my latest issue is. Learning to hate this camcorder.

I have always shot with manual focus on set at infinity, swearing off any autofocus, cause it just doesn't work at all on storms. So I've been certain I was either using the buried in scene mode landscape option, that has infinity(so amazingly stupid it's only in there....in scene modes that then limit other aspects like oh shutter/iris!...but who'd want those and infinity focus at the same time).....or I was using autofocus to get a infinity focus on something sharp then locking it by going over to manual.

Well at several points in my videos from this year(some good tornado video no-less...."easily repeatable events" you know).....it acts like the damn autofocus was on...but differently. It's like a real shallow fast "focus hunt" then back out. But I am certain these were either on manual focus or I was in landscape scene mode to get it locked out to infinity. So annoying. It doesn't do it terribly frequently thank god but at times it does it enough to be plenty annoying. I find myself watching for it rather than just watching the damn video. It's "hunt" range is far less than typical focus hunting and it is always that same distance then back to infinity. #$%@#$@#

Anyway...I assume this is the same sort of issue being discussed here by the sounds of it. All I know for sure is that these are all at flat normal viewing angles off on the horizon, maybe zoomed in was worse. They might happen at larger ones obviously, but all my footage showing it is flat level footage. Likely a mix of OIS on and off....always mounted to my car window. I know I've forgotten to take OIS off when I do it sometimes but not all cases. I'm pretty certain it is doing it in both. I was thinking, maybe it's just the infinity setting in landscape mode causing it. I also wondered if it was maybe doing it in the greater than 12x optical range using that enhanced optical range deal to 18x I think it is. Maybe that is it? Not sure I've never noticed it backed out wide.

Also while I'm at it lol. I've never seen a camera behave so badly with auto white balance in my life. Learning to use the manual mode finally, as in set it yourself as the presets don't offer much.

Then toss in just the user interface when trying to do things manually and the camera gets more annoying. Take out the fan noise, the jitter, add an infinity lock option that doesn't lock you in a scene mode, temper the auto-white balance behaviour...ah screw it....list is getting too long for me to ever really like the damn thing. But believe me, I want to! Bought the external mic to cure fan noise as much as possible and now each windy segment it sounds like pop corn. So removing that now too lol.

I am also experiencing lots of jitter when unzooming at the slowest speed! I am with you on this one, I am trying to love the TM700 but it's not making it easy.

As for your fan issue, Premiere Pro CS5 comes with soundbooth. That can isolate and remove the fan noise and keep most of the other frequencies in tact. Hope that helps.

YES, a big pain!
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post #35 of 187
7/7/10 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by latreche34 View Post

Panasonic HDC-HS700K $1,060.00


Panasonic HDC-TM700K $735.99

Ummm.. TM700K + SDHC memory cards .. seems as a cheaper option to me. Do you really need more than let's say 64GB memory for one event (~5,5h video)? Even if you go after 240GB that HS700 offers you can get to the roughly same price with TM700 + SD cards, but you have a way lower starting price, and you can buy additional memory as you see fit (while the prices keep dropping). Plus you're eliminating additional weight of hard drive, and any mechanical problems associated with HDDs. Too bad that B&H (and other US stores) don't offer SD700, it would be even better for the starting point (IMHO of course)
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post #36 of 187
7/7/10 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by LuxZg View Post

Ummm.. TM700K + SDHC memory cards .. seems as a cheaper option to me. Do you really need more than let's say 64GB memory for one event (~5,5h video)? Even if you go after 240GB that HS700 offers you can get to the roughly same price with TM700 + SD cards, but you have a way lower starting price, and you can buy additional memory as you see fit (while the prices keep dropping). Plus you're eliminating additional weight of hard drive, and any mechanical problems associated with HDDs. Too bad that B&H (and other US stores) don't offer SD700, it would be even better for the starting point (IMHO of course)

SDHC memory cards are not cheap, I like hard drive better no errors like cards, also I like the shoe in the middle not on the side, However like I said I'm not going to buy the actual models with all the issues being discussed.
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post #37 of 187
7/7/10 at 11:54am
There has been much discussion with hard drive errors in camcorders discussed in this forum. Crashes due to vibration, shock, and even loud audio have been widely published. As with everything else, these products have evolved, but still, is a mechanical item that has greater potential for failure.

As far as SDHC cards and cost, they are cheap today. When I bought my first one, an 8 GB cost $80. Now I can buy a 16GB for $20. Where do you shop that they are so expensive?
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post #38 of 187
7/7/10 at 2:16pm
Strange...A few weeks ago I offered an honest appraisal of this camera as compared to the Sony CX550 and Canon HFS21. I had some negative things to say about the Panasonic but was totally degraded for my opinions, one of which was that I felt the stabilization was not as good as the other two camcorders.
Well lo and behold I am now seeing a lot of negative comments about this camera, one of which is this jittering issue which was exactly what I was referring to when I mentioned the stabilizer issues!

Fact is, the Panasonic does have this problem, it also has a fan noise problem, its focusing is not as consistent as the Canon's especially and its white balance is a bit too much on the bluish/cyan side!

It is a decent camcorder with a list of small but significant problems.
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post #39 of 187
7/7/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by biomedtech View Post

Now I can buy a 16GB for $20.

Where are you finding this price for a 16 GB?
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post #40 of 187
7/7/10 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

Where are you finding this price for a 16 GB?

I scan the bands for deals around the internet, but even the regular prices aren't bad. I can go to several retailers in my city and find 16GB class 4 from 28-35 bucks on any given day.
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post #41 of 187
7/7/10 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by californiajay View Post

Well lo and behold I am now seeing a lot of negative comments about this camera, one of which is this jittering issue which was exactly what I was referring to when I mentioned the stabilizer issues!

How is supposed jittering while zooming the same thing as a small oscillation when recording at 90 degrees? And how does the latter relate to the OIS?
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post #42 of 187
7/7/10 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by ratdoc View Post

How is supposed jittering while zooming the same thing as a small oscillation when recording at 90 degrees? And how does the latter relate to the OIS?

When I wrote my original assessment of the camera, I was not very articulate in describing what I was seeing and made the assumption that it had something to do with stabilization. Now that I have seen the descriptions and complaints about this jittering problem, I have said to myself "that's exactly what I was seeing when I tried out the camera."
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post #43 of 187
7/7/10 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by californiajay View Post

When I wrote my original assessment of the camera, I was not very articulate in describing what I was seeing and made the assumption that it had something to do with stabilization. Now that I have seen the descriptions and complaints about this jittering problem, I have said to myself "that's exactly what I was seeing when I tried out the camera."

Well, this thread is about a slight oscillation in the image that's noticeable in a perfectly stable shot from a tripod angled between maybe 50 to 90 degrees with the OIS on or off. It's certainly not visible in a handheld shot and has nothing to do with zooming. So far, the best info from Panasonic is that it may be related to the autofocus algorithm. If that's exactly what you were seeing, you described it so poorly that it doesn't seem anyone knew what you were talking about.
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post #44 of 187
7/8/10 at 3:05am
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

I tested my tm700 today and I have shaking at 45 and vertical as well
at horizontal it's stable.
I used tripod.
Yes, it's very strange effect.
Could it be due to inner fan that vibrate camera off horizontal position?

I have tm700 under 30 days and start thinking about return it :-(

There is no such brilliant picture camcorder for that price today.
Please, post your problem to Panasonic via their web-site (http://panasonic.net/support/gscn/). Choose your country and post your question. It will take 5 minutes. The more feedback questions, the sooner they improve thier products.
People from this forum have already done this.
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post #45 of 187
7/8/10 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

I am also experiencing lots of jitter when unzooming at the slowest speed! I am with you on this one, I am trying to love the TM700 but it's not making it easy.

I think that jitter when unzooming is not a serious issue. Why?
Let's see films and TV - usually we notice a few zooms in films. Professional operators believe that zooming is a bad form, nasty taste. If I see a video with many zooms that I often think that it is an amateurish material.
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post #46 of 187
7/8/10 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by biomedtech View Post

There has been much discussion with hard drive errors in camcorders discussed in this forum. Crashes due to vibration, shock, and even loud audio have been widely published. As with everything else, these products have evolved, but still, is a mechanical item that has greater potential for failure.

As far as SDHC cards and cost, they are cheap today. When I bought my first one, an 8 GB cost $80. Now I can buy a 16GB for $20. Where do you shop that they are so expensive?

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Where are you finding this price for a 16 GB?

I just wanted to say I share biomedtech's opinion. HDD/mechanical cams are more likely to give you errors than SSD/flash/SDHC models. As for the price - try ebay, amazon, local shops, etc. SD cards aren't that expensive anymore. Besides, you need class 4 card, not a class 10 (which are expensive). Also, don't force 64GB SDHC cards, as several 32GB or 16GB cards will be cheaper to buy. And weight of 10-15 SDHC cards is still way lower than 240GB mechanical HDD.

But ok, that's just my opinion, people have their likes and dislikes, I honor that
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post #47 of 187
7/8/10 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by ratdoc View Post

Well, this thread is about a slight oscillation in the image that's noticeable in a perfectly stable shot from a tripod angled between maybe 50 to 90 degrees with the OIS on or off. It's certainly not visible in a handheld shot and has nothing to do with zooming. So far, the best info from Panasonic is that it may be related to the autofocus algorithm. If that's exactly what you were seeing, you described it so poorly that it doesn't seem anyone knew what you were talking about.


What I experienced was most certainly visible in hand held shooting as well as on a tripod, and whether it IS on a tripod or not, whatever is happening looks exactly the same either way!

I didn't say that what I did notice was in fact the same jittering as discussed here, I just said that it looked that way. Frankly I have no idea. I just thought it interesting that people are finding this fault now, even documenting it with Panasonic when one or two were all too quick to belittle me for mentioning it a few weeks ago without even asking me to elaborate on it better than I had.

As far as expressing myself poorly, that too was part of my response in my last post here. I should have mentioned that I didn't do too good a job at articulating the problem in that first post weeks ago and that this jittering as described seems very much like that which I was complaining about back then. Again, I don't know if it is or isn't but it sure looks like it might be and again I am sorry if I was abrupt in stating nothing more than that I felt the camera had stabilization problems when I originally mentioned the problem.
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post #48 of 187
7/8/10 at 10:22am
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I think that jitter when unzooming is not a serious issue. Why?
Let's see films and TV - usually we notice a few zooms in films. Professional operators believe that zooming is a bad form, nasty taste. If I see a video with many zooms that I often think that it is an amateurish material.

I don't know about the whole "oscillation jitter" issue...if it is different than my issue, but this jitter deal I'm seeing, like others have also described...in my case at least...doesn't care if you are zooming or not. I pray it's a lot more prevalent in zoomed in footage with OIS on and will go away with OIS off. It doesn't seem that is the case in the footage I have though. I just can't be for certain what each case had for OIS settings. And am too busy at the moment to bother testing a camera that has largely seen its largest use for the year. Though I sure as hell plan to lol.

What I do know from my stuff is that this jitter I explained in my post doesn't care if you are zooming or not. Nor does it care about the angle. It does seem that it doesn't do it when not zoomed in, but that might just be making it harder to see.

I know their one zoom setting actually is "optical" and getting more zoom by zooming in on that extra res it has beyond 1920x1080. Not sure but seemed full regular optical was 12x and it went to 18x using that deal. I was really really hoping it was an issue there. I could see that being problematic. I can live with 12x. But watching my footage it seems some of the jitters had to be less than 12x...but close.

I hope there's a solid work around for this soon or some firmware deal. I can look past and get by the other things about the camera that bug me, but not this one. Unless I just shoot at full wide all the time I guess lol. It's strange like has been mentioned, I'll have long stretch of footage and I'll be going "yes! it didn't jitter at this zoom range" then next second...bam....bam...bam focus jittering. The first times I noticed I thought, huh, I must have been on auto focus for some dumb reason. But then started seeing that it was indeed widespread on lots of footage. If I was any less poor I'd have sludge hammered this camera by now and probably just purchased an HV40 like was the other route/plan.

It's a crying shame the footage it is capable of but then having several issues to get by. They even buried their exposure offset option. Such a useful function for those with little time to mess with settings. (deleted longer rant here)
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post #49 of 187
7/8/10 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by xtremeinsability View Post

I don't know about the whole "oscillation jitter" issue...if it is different than my issue, but this jitter deal I'm seeing, like others have also described...in my case at least...doesn't care if you are zooming or not. I pray it's a lot more prevalent in zoomed in footage with OIS on and will go away with OIS off. It doesn't seem that is the case in the footage I have though. I just can't be for certain what each case had for OIS settings. And am too busy at the moment to bother testing a camera that has largely seen its largest use for the year. Though I sure as hell plan to lol.

What I do know from my stuff is that this jitter I explained in my post doesn't care if you are zooming or not. Nor does it care about the angle. It does seem that it doesn't do it when not zoomed in, but that might just be making it harder to see.

I know their one zoom setting actually is "optical" and getting more zoom by zooming in on that extra res it has beyond 1920x1080. Not sure but seemed full regular optical was 12x and it went to 18x using that deal. I was really really hoping it was an issue there. I could see that being problematic. I can live with 12x. But watching my footage it seems some of the jitters had to be less than 12x...but close.

I hope there's a solid work around for this soon or some firmware deal. I can look past and get by the other things about the camera that bug me, but not this one. Unless I just shoot at full wide all the time I guess lol. It's strange like has been mentioned, I'll have long stretch of footage and I'll be going "yes! it didn't jitter at this zoom range" then next second...bam....bam...bam focus jittering. The first times I noticed I thought, huh, I must have been on auto focus for some dumb reason. But then started seeing that it was indeed widespread on lots of footage. If I was any less poor I'd have sludge hammered this camera by now and probably just purchased an HV40 like was the other route/plan.

It's a crying shame the footage it is capable of but then having several issues to get by. They even buried their exposure offset option. Such a useful function for those with little time to mess with settings. (deleted longer rant here)

Let me add to this great post. I have been testing my TM700 for a few weeks now. Yes, the jitter is there, mostly when I do slow unzooms. User myg says zooms are amaterish? Well, I am an amateur and that is how I like to capture scenic views, with slow unzoom and pans. If the camera has the function, it should work properly!

Getting back to the jittering issue. At first I also thought it was the OIS or digital zoom but having tested this is various setups, it's neither. It happens most prevalent when I slow unzoom even at around the 5-6x portion. In fact, now that I am reviewing all footage on 2 Quad Core machines with good video cards, most of the footage with the jitters are during slow unzooms and sometimes even panning.

Like xtremeinsability said, I have wasted enough time trying to troubleshoot this jitter issue. The only thing left to do is watch the live video (via HDMI) hooked up to a large HDTV and see if it occurs there and then watch the recorded video. This will tell us if the jitter is happening right from the sensor or between the sensor and the final writing of the raw file. Totally disappointed in Panasonic in this regard. Want to love my TM700 but the fan issue and all this jittering is making it rather difficult.

Well put xtremeinsability.
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post #50 of 187
7/8/10 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

Let me add to this great post. I have been testing my TM700 for a few weeks now. Yes, the jitter is there, mostly when I do slow unzooms. User myg says zooms are amaterish? Well, I am an amateur and that is how I like to capture scenic views, with slow unzoom and pans. If the camera has the function, it should work properly!

Hi, bowmah! You are right - "If the camera has the function, it should work properly!" I agree with you. But we discuss in this thread an issue that was described in this video: http://vimeo.com/12672873

I have not seen your video with "unzooming jittering issue" yet.
Please, post a link to a sample with this issue and we'll see it.
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post #51 of 187
7/8/10 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

I think that jitter when unzooming is not a serious issue. Why?
Let's see films and TV - usually we notice a few zooms in films. Professional operators believe that zooming is a bad form, nasty taste. If I see a video with many zooms that I often think that it is an amateurish material.


Not sure this is a very good reason to overlook a fault in a $900 camera.
True, it may not be a SERIOUS issue, but it is a real one and should definitely be addressed by Panasonic. If no one mentions it nor complains to them about it, it will never get fixed.
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post #52 of 187
7/8/10 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by xtremeinsability View Post

Great another TM700 issue.

Get rid of it, why do you even bother? Get a Sony, you'll be happier. I've made the same suggestion to Bowmah who can't find a thing he likes about the camera. For the life of me I can't understand why people hold on to things they so dislike.

Everyone's perception is different, for me the video that this thing produces is unlike anything I've owned before, including $3,500 prosumer HD cams. Mine doesn't vibrate, oscillate, hum or chirp, it just produces superb videos. For you guys, you don't see that and have nothing but issues, so why keep it? Your blood pressure will go down when you sell it. I'm not trying to be flip, I'm just trying to make your lives happier.
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post #53 of 187
7/8/10 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Get rid of it, why do you even bother? Get a Sony, you'll be happier. I've made the same suggestion to Bowmah who can't find a thing he likes about the camera. For the life of me I can't understand why people hold on to things they so dislike.

Everyone's perception is different, for me the video that this thing produces is unlike anything I've owned before, including $3,500 prosumer HD cams. Mine doesn't vibrate, oscillate, hum or chirp, it just produces superb videos. For you guys, you don't see that and have nothing but issues, so why keep it? Your blood pressure will go down when you sell it. I'm not trying to be flip, I'm just trying to make your lives happier.

Actually maybe people believe that if they complain enough in public forums such as this one, the manufacturers will take note and come up with fixes.
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post #54 of 187
7/8/10 at 11:16pm
I decided to just come and read this posts at the end of the night, after a great nice day of shooting great footage. Jitter/shaking/whatever... I rarely notice it in normal use so why bother... The picture quality beats jitter that I can barely notice in the real world any time.
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post #55 of 187
7/9/10 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by Jay968 View Post

Actually maybe people believe that if they complain enough in public forums such as this one, the manufacturers will take note and come up with fixes.

Neither the manufacturers nor anyone else is going to take it seriously when it's just the same two or three people complaining over and over about "problems" no one else has...
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post #56 of 187
7/9/10 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by ratdoc View Post

Neither the manufacturers nor anyone else is going to take it seriously when it's just the same two or three people complaining over and over about "problems" no one else has...

Well, perhaps what you say is true if the problem cannot be duplicated nor confirmed by anyone, but apparently this is just not the case with the jitter issue. From what I understand, Panasonic has acknowledged the problem and it's been reported by many, myself included. The fan noise is another example. Whether it's something that somone finds problematic or doesn't, it's there, it's real and it's been discussed by many.

Frankly whatever the issue, I think it's a good idea to discuss it in forums such as this one so that others can either help out or have some knowledge themselves if they do encounter the same situation. If not, then what is the purpose of these forums? To just tell each other how good a camcorder we all have? If on the other hand, someone just complains for the sake of complaining and doesn't want to listen to any advice pertaining to the problem he is describing, then I agree...he is just wasting everyone's time.
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post #57 of 187
7/9/10 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by Jay968 View Post

Well, perhaps what you say is true if the problem cannot be duplicated nor confirmed by anyone, but apparently this is just not the case with the jitter issue. From what I understand, Panasonic has acknowledged the problem and it's been reported by many, myself included.

If you will receive an answer from Panasonic about this issue, please, post their answer in this thread. We are still waiting for the reply from them.
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post #58 of 187
7/9/10 at 6:13pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ivuVO0oRg

Here is one of my videos with the jitter. This was the first time I used the thing with an external mic on. I clamp it to my window all the time and never foresaw the potential "sail" issue the mic would cause in the wind. Soon as I stuck it on there for the big tornado I thought, damn it the wind is really moving that around. I tried to tighten the clamp more and let it be. Soooo, try and ignore the bouncing it does. The jitter can still be seen...looks a lot like autofocus issues but yeah wasn't on autofocus. It's easy to see it's not an autofocus issue just by the fact it shuffles it out and back that same distance when it "jitters".

1:52 right after the lightning flash you can see one of them. Another one at 2:21. 3:32 another. A couple/few at 4:25-26

It's a little hard to find those on the 360p youtube clip I used just now. They are really really obvious on HD obviously.

Ok, done bitching....I mean sharing some true camera issues with others. Up through the jitter issue I was still recommending it to a friend for its quality. He was looking to go HD and drop his VX2100 I could try telling him, hey, if you get one with jittering...like Panasonic admits there's an issue with...just pretend it isn't there!

If folks are happy as a clam with their cam...why read a thread titled "panasonic xx700 jittering/shaking ISSUE"?
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post #59 of 187
7/9/10 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by Jay968 View Post

Actually maybe people believe that if they complain enough in public forums such as this one, the manufacturers will take note and come up with fixes.

I wish that were true Jay. I don't think most manufacturers pay much attention to the very small % of total buyers that frequent sites like this. Let's face it, the vast majority of camcorder buyers have never even heard of AVS.
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7/9/10 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by xtremeinsability View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ivuVO0oRg

Here is one of my videos with the jitter. This was the first time I used the thing with an external mic on. I clamp it to my window all the time and never foresaw the potential "sail" issue the mic would cause in the wind. Soon as I stuck it on there for the big tornado I thought, damn it the wind is really moving that around. I tried to tighten the clamp more and let it be. Soooo, try and ignore the bouncing it does. The jitter can still be seen...looks a lot like autofocus issues but yeah wasn't on autofocus. It's easy to see it's not an autofocus issue just by the fact it shuffles it out and back that same distance when it "jitters".

1:52 right after the lightning flash you can see one of them. Another one at 2:21. 3:32 another. A couple/few at 4:25-26

Honestly, with the degree of turbulence that's evident everywhere in your video, I think there's no way in God's green Earth that you could pin any amount of shaking on the camera's jitter. Let's put it this way, I firmly believe if I went to Panasonic with those videos that were shot under those conditions, they'd have every right to laugh me out of the office.

Now a couple of other videos, under very controlled conditions, did present a more compelling piece of evidence.

But in looking at the overall dimension of this issue, doesn't anyone else find it interesting that not one single owner on AVS ever mentioned it in the many months this camera was out? With all the videos that had been posted on the internet, again nobody saw it. It wasn't until comparatively recently that a couple of people pointed it out. To me that's evidence that this is not viewed by most people as a significant issue.

I fully understand that if you shoot at severe angles on a tripod you may see a bit of this shaking, but apparently nobody that had used this camera up to the point that it was first noticed had done this...or if they did they never noticed it.

I do hope for the people that are bothered by it that Panasonic finds a fix.

On another note, those are some pretty impressive twisters!
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