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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I installed a home theater about six years ago and the state-of-the-art video connection at the time was DVI, so that is what I have in the walls between my components and projector (a Benq PE8700). I have one laptop that has an HDMI output, so I bought an HDMI to DVI adapter, and it works but the video quality isn't great. I tried with a different laptop that has VGA output and tried a VGA / DVI adapter, and I'm not able to get a picture at all, even though the projector is advertised as supporting DVI-I.

So the question is: given one computer with HDMI output capability and another with VGA out capability, any ideas how to get decent video via my DVI link to the projector? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 15
your projector has a native resoluton of 1280x720@60HZ.
Are you sending720p as the output resolution from your laptop over HDMI? Is your PC desktop resolution set to 1280x720?
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your prompt response.

When I set the PC's resolution to 1280X720, I get the following awful image:
Attachment 179500

The best resolution I'm able to achieve without all the noise as in the image above is 800X600.

Any ideas why?
LL
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
A bit more info; I noticed that the refresh rate that I had previously (the one that produced an acceptable, though not great picture) was 56 Mhz, so I tried another experiment, setting the refresh rate to 60 Mhz, and at all resolutions, I got the same noisy image as in the previous post.
post #5 of 15
Well 1, is it a DVI-I cable? Usually DVI cables are DVI-D, which is why you wouldn't get anything from the VGA adapter.

As far as HDMI goes, have you ever tried the DVI cable before now? It's possible it's bad. It's also possible the HDMI adapter is bad.

Do you have a another cable/adapter you could try. eg could you borrow a DVI cable off one of your PC monitors or something and hook it up temporarily to see if that shows up correctly?
post #6 of 15
I have never even heard of a DVI-I cable. I am not aware of any laptops that don't have a VGA output port and yes many of them also have a DVI or HDMI output port.
Are you running the laptop screen and the PJ in extended desktop or clone display mode?
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Whether I run in extended desktop or cloned display mode, I end up with the awful display quality as depicted in my early post on any resolution higher than 800 X 600. Perhaps the HDMI adapter is bad. Any other ideas?

Re the use of the other laptop with VGA output: I guess that's not an option since as you guys point out, my DVI cable is probably digital only. Agree?

BTW, I have tried the DVI cable before using other digital devices and it worked fine.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by jjb94941 View Post

Whether I run in extended desktop or cloned display mode, I end up with the awful display quality as depicted in my early post on any resolution higher than 800 X 600. Perhaps the HDMI adapter is bad. Any other ideas?

Re the use of the other laptop with VGA output: I guess that's not an option since as you guys point out, my DVI cable is probably digital only. Agree?

BTW, I have tried the DVI cable before using other digital devices and it worked fine.

Dunno if I will be of any help, but I own the little brother BenQ PE7800. The only main difference is the DLP resolution. Chassis should be the same.

Your PJ has a DVI-I socket. You know it's DVI-I because one of the holes in the socket is actually a "slot", and the 4 pin holes surrounding the slot carries the VGA signal.

There are two ways to send VGA top the PJ: 1) via the 5 BNC connectors; 2) vis the DVI-I connector. You have to choose the correct "input" within the PJ's menu system.

Of course, if the cable running to the PJ does not have a slotted pin, the it's a DVD-D cable (i.e. no analog) and neither VGA option will work.

-T
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Despite the fact that the DVI cable is terminated by a plug that has the slot as you describe, I don't think the cable is transferring the analog data, because I'm unable to change the settings as described in the manual as follows:

Attachment 179556

In other words, I think the PJ isn't receiving an RGB signal, preventing me from changing the first setting from AUTO to anything else and none of the other settings (Phase, H.Pos and V.Pos) can be changed.

If this is truly the case, I guess my only hope is that the HDMI adapter on the other laptop is bad and I should try a different. Any other ideas?
LL
post #10 of 15
Using Extended desktop mode you need to set the reolution going to the PJ to 1280x720 and the resolution going to laptop to it's native resolution.
With no cable conntedte to ther PJ you may be able to get a higher resolution on the laptop screen and/or you may be able to get a 16:9 aspect ratio to display if your laptop screen is not a 16:9 screen. If you can do this for the extended mode setting for the laptop.
When you tried a VGA to DVI adapter the VGA signal was being to the digital pins of the DVI connection and not to the 4 analog pins.
DVI-I cables that connect both the 2 digital pins and the 4 analog pins are available but AFAIK you have to order then from one of the cable companies.
What make/model laptop do you have?
post #11 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjb94941 View Post

Despite the fact that the DVI cable is terminated by a plug that has the slot as you describe, I don't think the cable is transferring the analog data, because I'm unable to change the settings as described in the manual.

In other words, I think the PJ isn't receiving an RGB signal, preventing me from changing the first setting from AUTO to anything else and none of the other settings (Phase, H.Pos and V.Pos) can be changed.

If this is truly the case, I guess my only hope is that the HDMI adapter on the other laptop is bad and I should try a different. Any other ideas?

When I installed my PJ in NOV 2004, I recall seeing DVD-I cables from monoprice, but I could have a false memory. In any event, if your DVI cable is truly a DVI-D, then the connectors attached to the cable should not have the slotted pin... I am assuming the cable maker would not attach a DVI-I connector to a DVI-D cable. But I could be wrong.

My final idea... assuming the cable is DVI-I, on the projector end attach a DVI-to-VGA, and then a VGA-to-5BNC (also called a VGA breakout cable). I use VGA, but use the BNC connectors.


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Originally Posted by walford View Post

When you tried a VGA to DVI adapter the VGA signal was being to the digital pins of the DVI connection and not to the 4 analog pins.

I do not see how that is possible. A DVI connector, if it can carry analog signals, has to carry the analog signal on the analog pins. See here for the pin out. It cannot put analog on the digital pins... would that not be in violation of the spec?

-T
post #12 of 15
Scroll down the following link and you find both single link and dual link DVI-I cables;

http://www.pacificcable.com/More_Pag...I-I-Cable.html

In acutality when the analog pins are being used for VGA they also have to use a couple of the digital pins also since VGA requires more then 4 wires in order to support the VGA sync sigal. When used for YPrPb component then 4 pins is enough.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks to the image kindly provided by T-Bone, I can say confidently that I don't have a DVI-I cable since it's missing the four analog connectors around the slot. Also, since the cable is already in the wall, I don't have the option of replacing it.

Interestingly, when I go to Extended Desktop mode using the laptop with the HDMI-DVI adapter, I get the following screen:
Attachment 179560

and the resolution pull-down menu is grayed-out even though it identifies it as PE8700.

I'm using a Dell XPS M1330 with Windows 7 Ultimate.
LL
post #14 of 15
jjb94941,

That problem might be related to an EDID issue. The model is correctly identified, but not the possible resolutions.

You may need to google "EDID windows 7 BENQ 8700" to determine if that is the issue.

-T
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
From everything that I've been reading on AVSFORUM, it seems that I may have to upgrade the firmware on my PE8700 (I haven't done so since initial purchase). Can anyone confirm that this may address the issue? If so, is there one place where I can find the latest firmware and instructions to update?

I did check the PE8700 thread, but it refers to attachments that no longer seem accessible.
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