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post #661 of 986
Hi Greg,

wow, really coming along nicely ! Sounds like those subs are pounding too. Sure wish I lived a little closer so I could come and experience it for myself.

Have you got the material for the walls yet ?

Sounds like a good choice on the carpet too. I know I had heaps of trouble finding one I like. And I'm still not completely happy... Who makes the onyx?

What are you planning on using for remote control?
post #662 of 986
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Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post

Hi Greg,

wow, really coming along nicely ! Sounds like those subs are pounding too. Sure wish I lived a little closer so I could come and experience it for myself.

Have you got the material for the walls yet ?

Sounds like a good choice on the carpet too. I know I had heaps of trouble finding one I like. And I'm still not completely happy... Who makes the onyx?

What are you planning on using for remote control?


Hi there Jamie,

Subs are going well. As you may have gathered, I am pretty happy with the way they are performing in the room. I watched two Bluray movies yesterday. ID4 during the day and Cowboys and Aliens last night. Also watched the Green Lantern the previous evening. I am really really impressed with the way that the system has tied together. When we were running the speaker calibration / pink noise tests, there was a very apparent difference in tonality between the fronts and the rear and side surrounds. Once it was all dialled in correctly, it is no longer an issue and the 7 channels sound awesome. I think that for what I have paid, I have obtained excellent performance and value for my money.

I have not got the fabric for the walls yet... was going to wait for the carpet to go down. Was looking at a gold colour for the center band of material (I have three bands about 80cm high each) which run around the sides and rear of the room. After chatting to Peter M and Peter Elill, I have decided to go for the original brushed gilt colour to match in with the seating.

I will need to get back to you on the carpet. I don't have a sample at home but should have it down either this week (time permitting) or after I come back from a short holiday. I am sure that in the room it will be pretty much 'black', but I want to see before obtaining my material. Pretty much at the mercy of the layer and his schedule... he is an old mate of mine and is helping me out. If you are looking for a different carpet, check out Peter M's thread. He had a really nice (and different) sculptured carpet that looks great.

In terms of remote, I am using the Harmony 1100 with RF extender. It's been programmed in fairly basically, but I need to go back and set it up properly with the lighting, projector etc. It works 'OK'. For basic play, pause, FF, REW etc, it's fine. It suffers with a fair amount of 'RF lag time', which makes adjusting volume levels a bit painful. Still, in terms of value, it's pretty good for what it is. I am sure there are much better (read more costly) units out there.

Have a good one...

Greg
post #663 of 986
Howdy,

Yes I saw Peter's carpet. It looked very nice. Might have even used it myself had I seen it earlier.

Thought I would ask about the remote, as I had been using a pronto for about 10 years (couple different models over that time) and just recently I took the plunge into IP control via the ipad. Using Demopad for now.

It was quite a learning curve. Unlike with the pronto I had to find, capture or create all the commands myself, which is time consuming. Also had to learn the basics of photoshop for the graphics. Its all still very much a work in progress, but it is looking very promising. The one great thing about wifi and IP control is the speed. It feels instant, unlike the RF pronto I was using.

I also plan on buying a new ipad, and relegating the current one to remote duties. Once jailbroken you can wake the ipad up by simply touching the screen, which makes if feel much more like a remote. Anyway, food for thought for the future.

Have a nice break.

Cheers
Jamie
post #664 of 986
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

The only thing on the DCX that was a bit frustrating is the limit on narrow filters. Your room modes really needed us to go narrower. This has got me thinking again about my room and how I'll EQ my subs. Does anyone know how narrow you can go with the MiniDSP PEQ filters ?

A quick bit of research shows that the MiniDSP goes up to a Q of 50 as opposed to 10 on the DCX. I think this means a 50th of an octave compared to a 10th. The good old BFD can do a 60th. I also played with the PC control software for DCX and narrower filters can be achieved by overlaying multiple filters on top of each other. The improvement is not dramatic, but it's clearly visible on the graphic display.

My main problem with the MiniDSP is form factor. The smallest 2x4 unit can be bought with a case but it has screw down terminals which require a bit of fiddling. The larger units only come as boards.

Cheers,
post #665 of 986
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

My main problem with the MiniDSP is form factor. The smallest 2x4 unit can be bought with a case but it has screw down terminals which require a bit of fiddling. The larger units only come as boards.

I'd ask mini-DSP to make you a box to fit a whole heap of them.

Or buy the raw cards and an alluminium rack mount case and get someone to CNC you a rear panel for it

Still way, way cheaper than QSC....as pretty as it is
post #666 of 986
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Importing the Crown Jewels will be cheaper than all that QSC gear
post #667 of 986
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Originally Posted by Bobbejaan View Post

Hi Greg, looks great!! Tell me, how loud is your aircon? I also have a 18000 btu split-unit in my HT. Mine is LOUD but I don't know if it's just because I haven't put up any sound treatments yet and the room still has a big echo.

Anyway gret build so far, enjoy mate!

Will

G'day there Will,
I have been admiring your masking system.... Very impressive work. Wish my budget stretched far enough. Maybe I can incorporate something in the future.
I purchased about four of those air conditioners at an auction run out a few years ago. Picked up 3 x 7.0 kw reverse cycle inverter units for about 500 dollars each and they go really well. Also picked up a smaller 2.5kw unit which will be used elsewhere. On high power the noise is intrusive but they cool the room very quickly and in quiet mode they are hardly noticeable. Even with 7 people in the room, quiet mode is more than effective.
The room treatments make a big difference. It really settles down the echo so I wouldn't fret too much. Things will further improve with carpet, furnishings etc. Also with 120db of subs going. Strangely enough, the hum of the aircon will seem much less important!
Cheers
Greg
post #668 of 986
Thanx Greg,

You must consider the masking, it was not so expensive. The most expensive part was the IR relay board and the two DC geared motors. The cost was about R2600-00 (plus/minus US$325 ) for everything, excluding the velvet fabric to cover them with.

Will
post #669 of 986
Hi Greg,

Before you (we ?) get stuck into final calibration, I'd suggest you think about getting a MiniDSP 2x4 Balanced in a box ... about $160. This will give you more control over the subs. The DCX could then be used on the front three speakers. Promise you won't regret it !

Cheers,
post #670 of 986
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Originally Posted by Elill View Post

I'd ask mini-DSP to make you a box to fit a whole heap of them.

Or buy the raw cards and an alluminium rack mount case and get someone to CNC you a rear panel for it

Still way, way cheaper than QSC....as pretty as it is

I intend to stick with the DCX for the nine full range speakers as they don't need the narrow band control. For the subs I'm starting to lean towards MiniDSP. I need to ask Dennis whether one 2x4 will be OK for all 5 subs. Either the two P15s up front, or the two P10Si on the sides will need to share an EQ channel.

Hopefully I can convince Greg to go this route as well.

Cheers,
post #671 of 986
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Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post

Howdy,

Yes I saw Peter's carpet. It looked very nice. Might have even used it myself had I seen it earlier.

Thought I would ask about the remote, as I had been using a pronto for about 10 years (couple different models over that time) and just recently I took the plunge into IP control via the ipad. Using Demopad for now.

It was quite a learning curve. Unlike with the pronto I had to find, capture or create all the commands myself, which is time consuming. Also had to learn the basics of photoshop for the graphics. Its all still very much a work in progress, but it is looking very promising. The one great thing about wifi and IP control is the speed. It feels instant, unlike the RF pronto I was using.

I also plan on buying a new ipad, and relegating the current one to remote duties. Once jailbroken you can wake the ipad up by simply touching the screen, which makes if feel much more like a remote. Anyway, food for thought for the future.

Have a nice break.

Cheers
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

I am pretty sure that I will upgrade the control side of my theater at some stage in the future. The RF lag on the Harmony is a bit of a pain, but solves the isues that I have now for having my equipment externally located. The Ipad looks like a pretty interesting device. I purchased a Kindle Fire, which is a nifty litte item. Nice size and I am hoping that some apps come my way for that device. Could be a less expensive option.

Hoping that it doesn't rain for the entire time of my holiday!

Cheers

Greg
post #672 of 986
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

I intend to stick with the DCX for the nine full range speakers as they don't need the narrow band control. For the subs I'm starting to lean towards MiniDSP. I need to ask Dennis whether one 2x4 will be OK for all 5 subs. Either the two P15s up front, or the two P10Si on the sides will need to share an EQ channel.

Hopefully I can convince Greg to go this route as well.

Cheers,

Like, I so need to spend more money Peter. Do you think that it would offer much more than what I have now? I mean, another box on an otherwise jam packed rack.... and a depleted bank account to match! I may just wait and see. If you are ordering some let me know and we may be able to save some on postage...
post #673 of 986
Greg,

No need to worry about the rack space ... the MiniDSP is tiny and could go in the back as it doesn't need to be accessible. I think the combo of MiniDSP on the subs to allow finer control PLUS then being able to use the DCX on the front channels will make a very significant difference. Over the years I've used some pretty expensive speakers and they all improved with EQ.

Cheers,
post #674 of 986
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

Greg,

No need to worry about the rack space ... the MiniDSP is tiny and could go in the back as it doesn't need to be accessible. I think the combo of MiniDSP on the subs to allow finer control PLUS then being able to use the DCX on the front channels will make a very significant difference. Over the years I've used some pretty expensive speakers and they all improved with EQ.

Cheers,

Ok, let me know when you are ordering and I will jump on. You are a bad influence Peter!
post #675 of 986
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Originally Posted by Bobbejaan View Post

Thanx Greg,

You must consider the masking, it was not so expensive. The most expensive part was the IR relay board and the two DC geared motors. The cost was about R2600-00 (plus/minus US$325 ) for everything, excluding the velvet fabric to cover them with.

Will

Hey there Will,
At that price it's an absolute bargain. There was a fellow on our local forum who has designed and marketed his own automated masking system. I don't know how it compares to what you have there but he was selling for circa 2k for Pre order customers and double that for everyone else! As much as I would like a masking system, it's not a deal breaker for me right now with so many competing priorities.
Thanks for posting!
Greg
post #676 of 986
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You are a bad influence Peter!

Moi ? No way !!
post #677 of 986
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Moi ? No way !!

You? Yes way
post #678 of 986
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Originally Posted by Dingaling2004 View Post

Ordered your gyprock yet?????

gee, guess I need to visit this thread more then once a week. So much progress in so little time. So happy for you that you can sit in there and enjoy a movie in an almost complete room. It's the home straight now, must be an awesome feeling knowing how close you are.

As for me, I've requested a change to my gyprock order last week, so still waiting for that update. I have ordered the grafik eye qs though, and have also ordered the double glazed window. Next step is to do a thread...one day
post #679 of 986
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Hi there Peter,
Good to hear from you. Would be great to check out your thread when you set it up. I mean, try not to go to my extremes of different house, marriage split, builder problems etc etc etc! I have found the thread to be a great source of information, support and motivation to keep going.
In regards to my room, have a bit to go. Once carpet goes down it will make a big difference. The recommendation from Fabricmate is that I lay my track after carpet, as I am not using skirting boards. Really looking forward to carpet.
You're most welcome to come around whenever you like. Allow a bit more time and don't bring a hail storm with you next time.
Cheers
Greg
post #680 of 986
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I may be on holidays but I am still buying bits and bobs for the home theatre. I did purchase a biometric door lock for my home a couple of years back but have not installed it yet. Was intending to use it for the theatre room but in the end, the design was a little concerning. If there was a power failure and battery failure (unlikely but possible) then I would be locked in for some time. With no windows and thick drywall, knocking my way out was not high on the list. I still want to control access to the room, which will become more important once school friends start visiting Thomas. As the door is fairly thick at 65mm, I needed a custom handle, which was not cheap. I found a self contained biometric door lock which is suitable for thicknesses up to 60mm. I will just router a small section of the door by 5-7mm and the handle will be fine. Should arrive in the next few days so I will be sorting out installation soon after I get home. I also purchased a manual heavy duty stapler for attaching the track to the timber battens. Already had an electric model but this was proving less than reliable. Installing the track will be fiddle enough without having to mess around with a stapler that's not operating properly. Anyway, here's the new doorlock. The other lock will be installed when I replace the main home entry door. Much safer option....
LL
post #681 of 986
What about a ball catch and just a couple of fixed handles?
post #682 of 986
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What about a ball catch and just a couple of fixed handles?

Stop oversimplifying my build thread Peter. You know I need to make things harder than they need to be!
post #683 of 986
LOL.....what about a multi-point lock with a Labrador guard? ....just dont feed it

.....this is all i had intended for a 100mm thick door. Not sure why more people don't use them, unless this is some rattle issue perhaps? unlikely if the ball is big enough
post #684 of 986
Plastering happening over at Down Under Theatre #257. Chop chop fellas ; )
post #685 of 986
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.....this is all i had intended for a 100mm thick door. Not sure... unlikely if the ball is big enough

Not only do you poke fun at my door lock but you now question the size of my balls and there effectiveness what sort of mate are you Peter.

And no, rattling in that area has not been a problem lol
post #686 of 986
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Originally Posted by Dingaling2004 View Post

Hi there Peter,
Allow a bit more time and don't bring a hail storm with you next time.
Greg

LOL. Agreed. I'll definitely come over again for a viewing when I can get a day pass. It's just it makes me sad seeing a near completed room, and then coming home to my batcave heh.

I notice you attend bunnings on a regular interval, and pick up items here and there. Are you still keeping a running total of all money spent?
post #687 of 986
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Hi there Peter,
You're most welcome to come over next time the boys come by. Peter M has ordered me a mini dsp so no doubt we will be tinkering with that for the subs for some time. Let me know and we can sort out a time to catch up. Share a few stories and a pizza and beer (or your choice of non alcoholic poison!) I am hoping that the carpet will be in soon, which should get the room feeling that much closer to being finished. Drop me a line on here. By the way, what changes did you make to your gyprock order?
Oh, and we don't discuss running totals in my thread. It's way too upsetting! I did start a spread sheet with the best of intentions. Decided that it was way too unsettling to think about how much this room has gone over budget.
post #688 of 986
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It's been a little while since I have posted any real progress on here. Have managed to keep busy with going on holidays, spending time with family and working some strange hours. Anyway, I am back with progress... and carpet!

I am really lucky to have a friend who is a carpet layer, so he dropped in yesterday and layed some new 100% wool carpet. I was originally going for a cheaper carpet but I knew that I would be never happy with it. My mate located some really nice 100% wool carpet with a fairly flat pile that came in on budget. Didn't want anything too shaggy. Here is a link to the carpet:

http://www.onlinecarpet.com.au/searc...ussex-40oz-106

and here are some pics of the room...

















So, a few comments. Firstly, I am really really happy with the way the carpet has been laid. My friend did a great job and I will be forever thankful. The carpet is really nice and in my opinion, gives a clean, streamlined look to the room. It feels really soft underfoot and acoustically, it has certainly settled the room down even more. Not to forget, the underlay and carpet hides very effectively my less than perfect tongue and groove flooring attempt!

I have held off ordering the fabric for my room, and have alternated between aubergine/black, black/tan and bronze/tan. Now that I have the carpet on the ground, I am going with the bronze and brushed gilt (tan) for the walls and black for the ceiling and screen wall. The carpet, whilst it looks very dark on the floor, has real grey / brown undertones and the bronze will tone in really well. So, will order my fabric tonight and hopefully will have it within a couple of weeks. That will give me some time to start installing the fabric track. Here are the colours that I will be using. The Brushed gilt matches perfectly with my recliners, so that gives you an idea of the colour.



Still a lot to do, but with carpet down, I am actually feeling that the light at the end of the tunnel is just a few short weeks away. Looking forward to it!
post #689 of 986
Tidy, tidy - lookin good.

How difficult do you reckon the fabric track is going to be to put up....?
post #690 of 986
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Tidy, tidy - lookin good.

How difficult do you reckon the fabric track is going to be to put up....?

Um, I really have no idea mate. Need to have a long read of the instructions and work out the best way. I have a feeling that installing the fabric will be the easy part. Much like installing flyscreens in a frame for want of a better analogy. The trick will be installing the track so that the jaws are aligned and give a good finish. Would welcome advice from anyone who has installed the track before???? Hints , ideas etc most welcome! I know the layout I want... Just need to work out a method.
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