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Klipsch Synergy Sub-12 300W 12" Subwoofer

post #1 of 26
7/3/10 at 1:16pm
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Hey everyone, right now newegg is having a sale on this sub for 25% off, $263. I just built a new system with a denon AVR-591, two Polk monitor 70's, two 60's and a CS2. All I need now is a sub. I was going to go with something less powerful, 8 or 10 maybe, because these speakers are already nearly enough for me, but I just saw this went on sale. For the price, would this be worth it compared to anything else in the $150-300 price range?
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post #2 of 26
7/3/10 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by Ramus View Post

Hey everyone, right now newegg is having a sale on this sub for 25% off, $263. I just built a new system with a denon AVR-591, two Polk monitor 70's, two 60's and a CS2. All I need now is a sub. I was going to go with something less powerful, 8 or 10 maybe, because these speakers are already nearly enough for me, but I just saw this went on sale. For the price, would this be worth it compared to anything else in the $150-300 price range?


Thank you!!! I've been watching this sub on close out for a while now waiting for a last minute discount to emerge. And you just gave me what I was looking for. I just purchased it a few minutes after your post. I'll be pairing this with my Bagend sub for dual HT duty. And let the Bagend do what it does best alone for music duty.

I've always loved the sound of this sub and felt it was the best mid level sub you can get from a non audiophile brick and mortar store. For $263 shipped I don't know of any other sub that will beat it's performance at it's current price point. It hits loud and deep for HT. Get one while you can!
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post #3 of 26
7/3/10 at 7:47pm
Is this deal still going on? It says $350 on newegg right now. Let me know if I'm missing something. I would love to pick one of these up for that price.
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post #4 of 26
7/3/10 at 7:54pm
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Is this deal still going on? It says $350 on newegg right now. Let me know if I'm missing something. I would love to pick one of these up for that price.

Yes it is still going on. I just purchased a sub 12 for $260 today.
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post #5 of 26
7/3/10 at 7:58pm
I think I missed it. The product page says $350 now.
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post #6 of 26
7/3/10 at 8:23pm
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I think I missed it. The product page says $350 now.

It's still going. The coupon code is EMCYVYZ22

Put this in the coupon code box at checkout, It will say code applied with a checkmark. However the discounted price will not show until the final page of checkout after you've entered your credit card information.
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post #7 of 26
9/1/10 at 12:10pm
This sale is going on again until the end of today. $269 free shipping. Id really like to get one but i seriously dont think i have the room for this thing in my house.
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post #8 of 26
9/1/10 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by vxaxv17 View Post

This sale is going on again until the end of today.* $269 free shipping.* Id really like to get one but i seriously dont think i have the room for this thing in my house.

Meh. I sold mine one day after I received it. Was not impressed at all.
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post #9 of 26
9/1/10 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by diamonddelts View Post

I've always loved the sound of this sub and felt it was the best mid level sub you can get from a non audiophile brick and mortar store. For $263 shipped I don't know of any other sub that will beat it's performance at it's current price point. It hits loud and deep for HT. Get one while you can!

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Meh. I sold mine one day after I received it. Was not impressed at all.

On the surface it appears that these two posts were from the same person.
I guess it's what they call a "love/hate relationship"!

So was there anything in particular that you disliked about this sub?
What made you change your mind so quickly?
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post #10 of 26
9/1/10 at 4:46pm
I ended up buying and reselling right away also. There was a lot of bass but thats about it. Very boomy. I ended up selling it for a profit, saving a little more and bought a used eD A3-300. Very happy with my decision.
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post #11 of 26
9/1/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by kissell View Post

I ended up buying and reselling right away also. There was a lot of bass but thats about it. Very boomy.

Hmmm... I'm wondering if I've made a mistake. This morning I looked all over the web for any sort of criticism of this sub. All the reviews I found were positive. However I was suspicious as none of them seemed to be from audiophiles. But everyone did say that it was good with music and was not boomy... two flaws I've experienced with my BIC F12. In fact I posted those thoughts in that thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post19130194

Oh well... it's too late now. The Klipsch shipped today.
I hope it doesn't end up being just another one in my collection.
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post #12 of 26
9/1/10 at 6:22pm
Try it out before you sell the F12. I'm guessing they are going to be very similar. If you aren't happy with the klipsch, sell it on craigslist. I ended up profiting off my Sub-12.
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post #13 of 26
9/1/10 at 6:31pm
For the price, i guess you really can't expect TOO much. But I've yet to find a review that was negative. I don't want to spend more than 300 on a sub and from what i can tell, its one of the best in this range. Would anyone be able to suggest anything better in this price range for an approx 2500 cubic foot room? I cant find anything myself...
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post #14 of 26
9/1/10 at 7:53pm
Try here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post18569728
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post #15 of 26
9/1/10 at 10:34pm
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

On the surface it appears that these two posts were from the same person. I guess it's what they call a "love/hate relationship"!So was there anything in particular that you disliked about this sub? What made you change your mind so quickly?

I originally purchased this sub over two years ago from Best Buy. I had a B&W setup at the time and the sub had great output for that setup and room at the time. I returned it a week later due to a financial situation that arised.

Now that I've got a bigger room to fill and another speaker setup it was* easily drowned out. Not saying it's a bad sub for the money because it's not. It's a good deal for $263. But it was a mismatch for my system and I could not tell when it was on. So I sold it quickly the second time around.
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post #16 of 26
9/1/10 at 11:11pm
The Outlaw LFM1 Compact is $339 shipped for a few more days. It's a pretty great sub played within it's limits.
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post #17 of 26
9/2/10 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by diamonddelts View Post

Not saying it's a bad sub for the money because it's not. It's a good deal for $263. But it was a mismatch for my system ...

Thanks for the candid reply. I think I won't know for sure until I try it. This will be my fourth sub... the first two were ten inchers, and my current F12 actually has a 10" cone with a huge surround, which they sell as a 12" sub. So I haven't actually heard a real 12" sub yet.

Since I haven't actually heard anything bad about the Klipsch then I guess I can still feel good about it for now. I'll just have to see how it sounds with my Polk monitors.

I just looked at the Outlaw mentioned above, and there's nothing in the advert that would differentiate it from my second sub, the AR HD510. Specs are nearly identical. This is the problem I'm having buying a sub... there are so many odd ball names out there, like the "STFU". How does one know which ones are the good ones? I can't just assume that spending $500 is going to get a sub I'd be happy with.
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post #18 of 26
9/3/10 at 4:45pm
The sub-12 was delivered today, and coincidentally I was given the option to leave work early due to overstaffing. So I set it up where the BIC F12 sat (they are nearly identical in size) and fiddled with some of the settings a bit. I still have yet to drag out the mic and rerun Audyssey again, which may improve the sound.

The Klipsch definitely has a much lower bottom end than did the F12. Music performance is better in that it is less boomy, however it tends to be a bit more muddy... something I noticed with my earlier 10" downfiring sub. I suspect that may be common to downfiring subs as the F12 seemed to be more articulate but had definite peaks and valleys in its bass response. I will likely raise the Klipsch off the floor an additional inch or so as I recall that helped my other downfiring sub.

I had some trouble finding something "handy" to test while fiddling with the new setup. Master and Commander was on TV but lacked the oomph that I recall it having... probably more the fault of AMC's audio signal. So I listened to an Adiemus CD which was less problematic than it had been with the F12. But it was the Blue Man Group DVD that really sold me on this new sub. The bottom end was definitely much lower, tighter, and less boomy than with any of my other subs. Also, walking around the house I noticed fewer "live" spots where the F12 used to reverberate.

Main problem I have now is that there is a noticeable rumble with normal broadcast TV... newscasts, commercials and such (this is why we have a small 4.0 sound system specifically for TV and for casual music). In time I will try moving the sub around... it is currently right where the F12 had been, about a foot from the wall next to the TV, and of course run Audyssey and go thru the usual manual tweaks.

While not an ideal sub, I am pleased, especially with its Blue Man performance.
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post #19 of 26
9/4/10 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

The sub-12 was delivered today, and coincidentally I was given the option to leave work early due to overstaffing. So I set it up where the BIC F12 sat (they are nearly identical in size) and fiddled with some of the settings a bit. I still have yet to drag out the mic and rerun Audyssey again, which may improve the sound.

The Klipsch definitely has a much lower bottom end than did the F12. Music performance is better in that it is less boomy, however it tends to be a bit more muddy... something I noticed with my earlier 10" downfiring sub. I suspect that may be common to downfiring subs as the F12 seemed to be more articulate but had definite peaks and valleys in its bass response. I will likely raise the Klipsch off the floor an additional inch or so as I recall that helped my other downfiring sub.

I had some trouble finding something "handy" to test while fiddling with the new setup. Master and Commander was on TV but lacked the oomph that I recall it having... probably more the fault of AMC's audio signal. So I listened to an Adiemus CD which was less problematic than it had been with the F12. But it was the Blue Man Group DVD that really sold me on this new sub. The bottom end was definitely much lower, tighter, and less boomy than with any of my other subs. Also, walking around the house I noticed fewer "live" spots where the F12 used to reverberate.

Main problem I have now is that there is a noticeable rumble with normal broadcast TV... newscasts, commercials and such (this is why we have a small 4.0 sound system specifically for TV and for casual music). In time I will try moving the sub around... it is currently right where the F12 had been, about a foot from the wall next to the TV, and of course run Audyssey and go thru the usual manual tweaks.

While not an ideal sub, I am pleased, especially with its Blue Man performance.


Glad you are liking the sub. I will be checking back later to see any additional impressions you have for this sub after you are done tweaking it.
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post #20 of 26
1/7/11 at 11:02am
Just ordered a second Sub-12. First one has performed very well. There are notes that it takes in stride which the F12 would not even reproduce. I found I have a dead spot in my living room right where my easy chair sits at around 50Hz, and I understand this is not unusual for a square structure, so I'm hoping adding a second sub may help even that out.

I still get a bit of flack in the F12 thread here for basically having been dissatisfied with the BIC F12, which in all honesty is not a bad piece of equipment. But I just needed something better.
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post #21 of 26
1/7/11 at 12:23pm
I bought one last year on sale for 299 Canadian.
Loved it........
This year bought another one.

After a lot of SPL metering, gain matching, placement. These subs kick arse for the price.
I had a bit of a 63Hz peak in one because of location, but i solved that with help from everyone on here.

Granted its no high end sub, but man oh man you can't beat 2 of these for the price.

I don't get any of the "muddy" issues or boom described by some.

I have them paired with my Paradigm 7MK3's up front.

I don't think you can just plop a sub where another one used to be and think its going to sound right.

Takes work.

All in all, I have no regrets at all about 2 of these subs sitting in my HT.

Test,
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post #22 of 26
1/7/11 at 1:13pm
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I don't think you can just plop a sub where another one used to be and think its going to sound right... Takes work.

Unfortunately, our living room more or less dictates where the equipment can go. Placement of the screen, front and center speakers, sub, sectional sofa and easy chairs are all less than optimum. The room is pretty much like a jigsaw puzzle. There's not a square foot of floor space that would allow anything to be moved to the left or right.

As it is I'll have no eliminate the LP turntable to fit in the second sub (it's been years since we listened to vinyl anyway). I'm hoping that having both subs on the front wall will work well. I just read a lengthy sub discussion in this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post15793728 which basically says that's a no-no, but there's little else that I can do.

Thanks for your positive experience.
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post #23 of 26
1/7/11 at 2:41pm
If anyone is interested I performed a couple FR measurements on this sub a couple years ago and posted the result here: Doesn't supply much info except for roll-off point and slope and Ed Mullen chimes with a couple, always informative, posts.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...e#post15554460
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post #24 of 26
1/7/11 at 3:39pm
Thanks Hughman (Hugh?) - very interesting discussion, though admittedly I began to "lose it" around dynes/cm3 (I used to know what that was!) Anyway, it looks like the combined output is actually relatively smooth (for an inexpensive sub) between 30 and 80. I think that 30HZ tuning is probably why kettle drums are so much more pronounced compared to my earlier sub.

Oh, and nice theater room, too. The wet bar off to the side is also a nice touch.
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post #25 of 26
1/7/11 at 6:12pm
Exactly, Hughman, Thats why I love the Sub 12 so much.

Its not that's it better or special somehow. Its the price.

Its a decent sub a good price point. Especially two!

Two of these in my HT do the job just fine for what I have as an AVR and Mains.

Granted If if upgraded I'd probably have to swap them out.

Point is, a lot of folks don't have high end equipment and the Sub 12's fit the bill pretty cheaply.

People are hard on the Sub 12 and at less than 260 bucks I just don't understand the complaints for what your get.

Anyone with an SPL meter and the willingness to place the sub where it "Should" go as opposed to where they can only fit it in are missing out.

This sub has potential in any lower end HT or living room if you can get past the wifes decorative ideas.


Test,
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post #26 of 26
1/7/11 at 6:35pm
Fortunately my wife doesn't decorate, and she likes movies as much as I do. She has stated that "electronics have taken over the house", but has said nothing beyond that... except bragging to her sister about how great movies sound in our house.

I try to keep the equipment "clean"... wires tidy, cabinets dusted, and for the most part everything matches. Still, it's not a vase of flowers. It's wood and steel. We don't have the means to build a separate media room, so I am fortunate that she is willing to put up with my "hobby".
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