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post #511 of 656
6/4/12 at 6:32pm
Jeff recently did my theater ceiling (flat black) and it came out great, everyone that sees it is mesmerized. Even though my theater isn't close to being ready, sometimes i sit in there with some wine and star gaze.

The painted stars gives off a sort of light energy that makes them shimmer or twinkle and look very realistic. Jeff and I were thinking it looks almost like heat rising off pavement?

You also learn a lot about night vision. It takes about 10 minutes for my eyes to really adjust to dark - i thought that pupils adjusted instantly!
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post #512 of 656
6/4/12 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by mrevo2u View Post

Jeff recently did my theater ceiling (flat black) and it came out great, everyone that sees it is mesmerized. Even though my theater isn't close to being ready, sometimes i sit in there with some wine and star gaze.

The painted stars gives off a sort of light energy that makes them shimmer or twinkle and look very realistic. Jeff and I were thinking it looks almost like heat rising off pavement?

You also learn a lot about night vision. It takes about 10 minutes for my eyes to really adjust to dark - i thought that pupils adjusted instantly!

Mrevo2u - do you have pics of your result with the lights on/off for comparison? It would be nice to see.
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post #513 of 656
6/4/12 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by mrevo2u View Post

Jeff recently did my theater ceiling (flat black) and it came out great, everyone that sees it is mesmerized. Even though my theater isn't close to being ready, sometimes i sit in there with some wine and star gaze.

The painted stars gives off a sort of light energy that makes them shimmer or twinkle and look very realistic. Jeff and I were thinking it looks almost like heat rising off pavement?

You also learn a lot about night vision. It takes about 10 minutes for my eyes to really adjust to dark - i thought that pupils adjusted instantly!

I think that best discribes the visual effect. There is something going on up there visually... they do look as though they sparkle like real stars. I couldnt imagine the stars looking any different on a flat black ceiling... black absorbs light if you want to get scientific, perhaps they will charge faster.
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post #514 of 656
6/4/12 at 8:30pm
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Mrevo2u - do you have pics of your result with the lights on/off for comparison? It would be nice to see.

Firstly, my theater is DARK. 18x20x13 all black, no windows. I think even Jeff was taken aback when he first saw it. Even with the lights on, it is very hard to grasp where the ceiling is. His first question was: are you sure it's only 12-13'? With that said, I don't have the camera equipment or skill to even attempt a pic of it. A good pic would require a slr with a lloooonnnggg exposure. I'll try and con a photographer buddy into trying a pic of it.....
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post #515 of 656
6/7/12 at 6:02pm
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Sometimes your usernames confuse me and I have to try and figure out who you guys are by how your describe your theaters. Your last post gave it away. I don't care what that tape says... or how well you know it, that ceiling is like twice the size you think (or admit) it is.

When mrevo2u says that his room is dark.... IT IS DARK! And HIGH! And I think the best way to describe it is to compare it to an IMAX theater. But, he wasn't kidding when he said he could get the room cool enough for me. I had my doubts, but he has a great AC unit.

Hey, I took pictures (I think), and if you want, I will send them to you and can post them too.... but I may also have deleted them by mistake when I wiped my laptop clean a couple weeks ago. I know that I deleted a lot of other "newer" pictures, which makes me sick.

Anyway, as mrevo2u and xzener mentioned... the shimmer, or twinkle or whatever it is... it's definitely there. What I want you to think, though, is that it's something that I add to my paint, but truth be known... it has something to do with the pigments constantly changing their glow, plus the rods and cones in your eyes. Whatever it is.... it makes for a cool ceiling, eh?

Oh, can I post pics of your stairway, if I have some of those?

One last thing... did my daughter leave her glasses at your house, or parents, when they were swimming? She couldn't find them at about that point in the trip.

Great family you have. My kids had fun, you have a great theater and I would love to see it when you finish it. If it's like everything else you've done... it'll be incredible!


Jeff
Night Sky Murals

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Firstly, my theater is DARK. 18x20x13 all black, no windows. I think even Jeff was taken aback when he first saw it. Even with the lights on, it is very hard to grasp where the ceiling is. His first question was: are you sure it's only 12-13'? With that said, I don't have the camera equipment or skill to even attempt a pic of it. A good pic would require a slr with a lloooonnnggg exposure. I'll try and con a photographer buddy into trying a pic of it.....
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post #516 of 656
6/7/12 at 6:10pm
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I think that best discribes the visual effect. There is something going on up there visually... they do look as though they sparkle like real stars.


Thanks... I appreciate you guys bringing up the sparkle because, when I tell people that they do, they roll their eyes ( I probably would too if I didn't see them do it every day). Whatever causes it (It's really the way I mix my paints)... it's pretty cool.


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I couldnt imagine the stars looking any different on a flat black ceiling... black absorbs light if you want to get scientific, perhaps they will charge faster.

You know... someone brought this question up the other day and I took a scrap piece of sheet rock and painted it sky blue, beige, black and white, and I was surprised at the results. Until I saw them all side by side, I always went by what I would see on the ceilings themselves. I will post the results on here in the next day or two, just as soon as I can find a few minutes to put it all together. I have all the still shots in the light and in the dark, and have recorded the video. It's just a matter of combining everything. It's pretty interesting, I think.

Jeff
Night Sky Murals
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post #517 of 656
6/18/12 at 10:20am
So I'm at the point of wanting to get the lights in the soffit to charge the stars in a roughly 12x12 area.

What's the best method these days? Is it still 4' tube's? What's the best placement?

Any advice would be appreciated?

Is Spencer's still my best place to purchase them?
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post #518 of 656
6/18/12 at 10:57am
Does anyone have expierence with mural artisist in the Atlanta area?
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post #519 of 656
6/19/12 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

So I'm at the point of wanting to get the lights in the soffit to charge the stars in a roughly 12x12 area.
What's the best method these days? Is it still 4' tube's? What's the best placement?
Any advice would be appreciated?
Is Spencer's still my best place to purchase them?

How far out from the wall and down from the ceiling does your soffit come?? I also have about a 12X12 ceiling. I built my soffit 1' from the ceiling and 1.5' from the wall (if I remember correctly). I installed the black lighting as far back as I could. I would then climb down the ladder an walk across the room to see if I could see the fixture... which I couldn't. Being placed as far back worked best for me. I installed 2 4 foot blacklights on each of the four sides. The ceiling exposure to the blacklight is perfect IMO. The stars charge very uniformly and seem to all have the same brightness when charged.

I dont have a picture of the soffit with the blacklights, but this will give you an idea of the end result (minus the rope lighting which I dont use ATM) I have 9' ceilings and am very happy with the end result. I hope this helps.

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I bought the American DJ 4 foot blacklight fixtures. Since installing them, I've had no issues. A good buy my opinion.
Edited by xzener - 6/19/12 at 5:26pm
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post #520 of 656
6/19/12 at 11:38pm
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If you have the room (ceiling height) then Xzener's soffit would be a good soffit to duplicate. If you can have the inside of the soffit slant, from the front slanting up and back.... then the black lights will be angled outward and will reach out into the center better. You can also put a faceplate on the front edge that sticks up a couple inches to help hide the lights.

A lot, though, depends on your ceiling height.

Thanks Xzener for answering...

Jeff
Night Sky Murals



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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

So I'm at the point of wanting to get the lights in the soffit to charge the stars in a roughly 12x12 area.
What's the best method these days? Is it still 4' tube's? What's the best placement?
Any advice would be appreciated?
Is Spencer's still my best place to purchase them?
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post #521 of 656
6/19/12 at 11:42pm
Thread Starter 
I will be out that way before too long, or I might be able to help you find someone who can hopefully do a good job for you.

I'll probably be out there ith in the next few weeks after Texas and before New York.

Jeff
Night Sky Murals



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Does anyone have expierence with mural artisist in the Atlanta area?
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post #522 of 656
6/20/12 at 10:11am
Thanks Jeff, I will get with you when I am ready for the mural. I am still in the building stage so have a while to go but want to make sure I have everything planned for the future ceiling finish.
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post #523 of 656
6/22/12 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by NightSkyMurals View Post

If you have the room (ceiling height) then Xzener's soffit would be a good soffit to duplicate. If you can have the inside of the soffit slant, from the front slanting up and back.... then the black lights will be angled outward and will reach out into the center better. You can also put a faceplate on the front edge that sticks up a couple inches to help hide the lights.
A lot, though, depends on your ceiling height.
Thanks Xzener for answering...
Jeff
Night Sky Murals

Thanks Jeff.

Did you discover any more about LED black lighting that you were looking into? Or are the tubes still the best option? I need to invest in (8) of them.
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post #524 of 656
6/22/12 at 10:39am
I was planning on going with (2) 4' Black Lights per side around my 12' x 12' soffit using 40w bulbs.

It may be easier for me to uniform lighting by using (3) 2' (20w) Black Lights per side instead spaced equally inbetween my can light enclosures.

Would this be adequate or should I try to make the 4's work?
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post #525 of 656
6/22/12 at 11:44pm
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Sounds good... I will be traveling somewhere as long as my back and neck hold up (better hurry). :-)
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Thanks Jeff, I will get with you when I am ready for the mural. I am still in the building stage so have a while to go but want to make sure I have everything planned for the future ceiling finish.
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post #526 of 656
6/22/12 at 11:59pm
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I am still looking into that. I just took a road trip to Portland, then down to Los Angeles and back home to Salt Lake City (2600 miles exactly)... partly to paint, but mainly to take my
father to a few places he needed to be... and my time was either spent driving, answering the call of nature, sleeping or painting. I had zero time to do any research. And, I now
have to go to Texas and then New York within the next few weeks.... but I am hoping to have time after I get back to research things. I did find a possible source online tonight,
and I still want to talk with the local company about possibilities too. I will update as I find out more.

So for now, the tubes are the way to go. And, of the LED black lights turn out to be a viable option.... then I am sure that you could just take those down dn replace them with the
LED lights. But, i still like the tube black lights... or the look of them.

And, I saw your other question about the 4' lights vs the 2' lights. I think that the 4' lights because they are more powerful is your best option. I just painted a mural for a customer who
went out and bought a 4' light and they tell me that it charges the ceiling very nicely. But, since you are putting the lights around the room... the light really only has to travel basically
6 ' to the center of the room (or let's say 7 feet to give it some overlap).... so 2' lights should also work out well too. So, it's your call as to what is easiest for you and what will look best
in your room.

Good luck..

Jeff
Night Sky Murals





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Thanks Jeff.
Did you discover any more about LED black lighting that you were looking into? Or are the tubes still the best option? I need to invest in (8) of them.[/quote]
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post #527 of 656
7/1/12 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I was planning on going with (2) 4' Black Lights per side around my 12' x 12' soffit using 40w bulbs.
It may be easier for me to uniform lighting by using (3) 2' (20w) Black Lights per side instead spaced equally inbetween my can light enclosures.
Would this be adequate or should I try to make the 4's work?

Mcascio,

As you can see in this picture, there is a darker space between each 4' blacklight where it illuminates the ceiling. I went with 2 per side and love the result.

Hope this helps your decision,

Xzener

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post #528 of 656
7/3/12 at 12:22pm
I have 8 ft ceilings. Area for mural is the entire width of the room which is 15 ft. But I only have 10 ft for the other dimension due to existing soffits.

I was planning to build soffits along the side of the room to connect the existing ones and they would come down from the ceiling 1 ft. I can put the soffits out into the room approx 1.5 ft.

So will I be able to charge the 10x15 ft area with only 8 ft ceilings and the soffits only 1 ft down from the ceiling?

There is an existing light in the middle of that area that could be used as a black light if that is possible?
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post #529 of 656
7/4/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

I have 8 ft ceilings. Area for mural is the entire width of the room which is 15 ft. But I only have 10 ft for the other dimension due to existing soffits.
I was planning to build soffits along the side of the room to connect the existing ones and they would come down from the ceiling 1 ft. I can put the soffits out into the room approx 1.5 ft.
So will I be able to charge the 10x15 ft area with only 8 ft ceilings and the soffits only 1 ft down from the ceiling?
There is an existing light in the middle of that area that could be used as a black light if that is possible?

Hi Jedi,

If I understand your description correctly, your 15 X 10 ft area on the 8 ft ceiling should not be difficult to charge. I have a 21 X 20 ceiling area, mostly 8 ft with a small portion slanting down to 5 ft---I'm able to charge the whole thing with one shop light (a pair of 4 ft black light tubes). I simply plug in the shop light and place it in the center of the room. After about 30 minutes, I return, unplug the light and store it. The charge will last for several hours, plenty of time to enjoy the spectacle.

My room also had an existing light in the center. Jeff can paint on lights, soffits, curtains, ceiling fans, A/C vents...almost anything. Another possibility might be that he could do your 15 X 10 area and make the soffits look like the frame of picture window to the sky. I believe Jeff's traveling right now, but I'm sure he will respond soon with some ideas as soon as he has time. smile.gif
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post #530 of 656
7/4/12 at 3:14pm
Thanks Tom,

I am wondering if it is possible to charge the ceiling from the soffits around the 15x10 area if the black lights are 1 ft down from the ceiling and approx 1.5 ft into the room so really closer to a 12x9 area.

If I can't charge from the soffits then I guess there is always the portable light like you describe. Maybe it is almost preferable since that way I could put rope lights in the soffit and enjoy that effect when I don't have time to charge the star ceiling.
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post #531 of 656
7/27/12 at 9:47pm
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Again... Thanks Tom and Xzener for answering questions. I have been busy with painting and a project (build) of my own and haven't been on here much. But, you guys always seem to come through with your good answers.

Jedi... They were correct in their answers, and to just reiterate what has been said about the charging space.. if you are 1 - 1.5 feet down, and if you put your black lights at a 45 degree angle inside of your soffit, then you should have no problems at all charging your ceiling.

I am hopefully only about a week away from finishing a soundproof home office in my back yard (soundproof to keep the kid sounds and other neighborhood sounds out) and I am building a soffit similar to xzener's, but I will only have a foot to the bottom, but should still be fine. Of course the office isn't as large as your room, but it's 10 x 16, with a small painting room dividing it, so the office itself will be roughly 10 x 10. I am also debating on the painted clouds (xzener showed me his tricks, but I haven't mastered it yet) and then a night sky mural on top of that.

But, back to your soffit question.... I would also suggest painting as far back as your ceiling is reachable (beyond the front of the soffit) and that will create a really nice effect when you see the stars going beyond the soffit.

Sorry for not being around... but it seems that you have been in good hands here. Good luck with your build.

Jeff

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Thanks Tom,
I am wondering if it is possible to charge the ceiling from the soffits around the 15x10 area if the black lights are 1 ft down from the ceiling and approx 1.5 ft into the room so really closer to a 12x9 area.
If I can't charge from the soffits then I guess there is always the portable light like you describe. Maybe it is almost preferable since that way I could put rope lights in the soffit and enjoy that effect when I don't have time to charge the star ceiling.
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post #532 of 656
7/29/12 at 8:28am
Wheew….I have read this thread from start to finish. What a thread…!
I have always thought a star ceiling would be a great addition to my theater. And I think this project would be fun to do. cool.gif But up until fairly recently, a star ceiling has never been an option for me personally because fiber optics, are out of the question, simply because it requires punching holes into the drywall ceiling. I’ve spent a lot of money to keep the sound INSIDE my room. Double walls, double doors, double drywall, I even elected not to use can lighting because it would pose a potential weakness in the room to leak sound… not to mention all the insulation and other sound proofing measures I’ve taken.
Now I have a few questions:
From what I have learned reading this thread, my best method will be to charge the ceiling for an hour or so with a movable black light that I can hide behind my seating when guests come over.
Here’s why… I have a dedicated theater with no ambient light coming in. The floors are a dark green colored carpet. The walls are treated with dark maroon colored fabric. The ceiling is flat black. I have a soffit that goes around the sides and back of my theater. The problem is, my soffit is about 10 inches from the ceiling so I believe it is too close to the ceiling to get good black light coverage. So what I am thinking about doing is getting a new rope light (blue) to replace my existing rope light that is a yellowish white color. I love the look of the blue in the original photo of this thread. My current rope light needs to be replaced anyway as it has a few small area’s that are no longer working
In most cases, the lights in my room will be off. Except the projector. But occasionally, I may choose to also have my rope lighting on during a movie.
What kind of an affect will I get when the lights are off except the projector?
What kind of affect will I have when the projector and rope lights are on?
How many years does the paint last? Does it ever need to be refreshed, say after 2 or 3 years?
FYI: I’ve been considering buying a sheet of drywall and practicing. Then later practicing on my kids bedroom ceilings when I have more confidence. They are each 14 and 6 so they’d love the star affect in their rooms. Both kids rooms are 12X12. One is blue with blue carpet and the other is green with green carpet. The ceilings are a lightly textured semi-gloss white.
Sorry for the long winded post. wink.gif
Do any of you have recommendations for a rope light? I’m considering this one that was mentioned earlier in this thread and is actually a black light.
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post #533 of 656
7/29/12 at 8:43am
The blue lights in the first post are black lights giving off UV to charge the ceiling paint. They are not just blue rope lights. In fact most of the light energy is not visible being UV.
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post #534 of 656
7/29/12 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by GRBoomer View Post

The blue lights in the first post are black lights giving off UV to charge the ceiling paint. They are not just blue rope lights. In fact most of the light energy is not visible being UV.

I understand... smile.gif
I'm planning on charging my ceiling with some kind of light that I can tuck hide behind my seats when guests come into the theater.
I'm just wondering if I can get the same affect as the OP by charging the ceiling for say 30 minutes with my floor mounted black light, then when everyone is in the theater, just use the rope light.
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post #535 of 656
7/29/12 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by suffolk112000 View Post

Wheew….I have read this thread from start to finish. What a thread…!
I have always thought a star ceiling would be a great addition to my theater. And I think this project would be fun to do. cool.gif But up until fairly recently, a star ceiling has never been an option for me personally because fiber optics, are out of the question, simply because it requires punching holes into the drywall ceiling. I’ve spent a lot of money to keep the sound INSIDE my room. Double walls, double doors, double drywall, I even elected not to use can lighting because it would pose a potential weakness in the room to leak sound… not to mention all the insulation and other sound proofing measures I’ve taken.
Now I have a few questions:
From what I have learned reading this thread, my best method will be to charge the ceiling for an hour or so with a movable black light that I can hide behind my seating when guests come over.
Here’s why… I have a dedicated theater with no ambient light coming in. The floors are a dark green colored carpet. The walls are treated with dark maroon colored fabric. The ceiling is flat black. I have a soffit that goes around the sides and back of my theater. The problem is, my soffit is about 10 inches from the ceiling so I believe it is too close to the ceiling to get good black light coverage. So what I am thinking about doing is getting a new rope light (blue) to replace my existing rope light that is a yellowish white color. I love the look of the blue in the original photo of this thread. My current rope light needs to be replaced anyway as it has a few small area’s that are no longer working
In most cases, the lights in my room will be off. Except the projector. But occasionally, I may choose to also have my rope lighting on during a movie.
What kind of an affect will I get when the lights are off except the projector?
What kind of affect will I have when the projector and rope lights are on?
How many years does the paint last? Does it ever need to be refreshed, say after 2 or 3 years?
FYI: I’ve been considering buying a sheet of drywall and practicing. Then later practicing on my kids bedroom ceilings when I have more confidence. They are each 14 and 6 so they’d love the star affect in their rooms. Both kids rooms are 12X12. One is blue with blue carpet and the other is green with green carpet. The ceilings are a lightly textured semi-gloss white.
Sorry for the long winded post. wink.gif
Do any of you have recommendations for a rope light? I’m considering this one that was mentioned earlier in this thread and is actually a black light.


Hi Suffolk,

Your basic HT situation seems a lot like mine. The idea of a night sky mural turned out to be much more workable for me than the hole-drilling type options.

You asked: "What kind of an affect will I get when the lights are off except the projector?" My room is completely light-controlled, just about pitch black when all lights are off. It sounds like your room is in that category also. In that case, after the stars are charged, they will show up beautifully with all lights off. The stars painted by Jeff are very realistic, meaning that they act much like real stars smile.gif --- they are very "shy" in the presence of any relatively dominant light source, very much like real star gazing. So, in my room, the projector's beam disrupts the viewer's night vision and makes the stars disappear. Of course, this also happens when the theater lights are brought up.

"What kind of affect will I have when the projector and rope lights are on?" I have rope lights in my snack bar area, but not in the theater screening room, so I can't say how that effect would turn out.

"How many years does the paint last? Does it ever need to be refreshed, say after 2 or 3 years?" Jeff can answer this question with more precision, but as I recall, the life of the paint is much longer than that. I think I remember hearing 15-20 years or even more.
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post #536 of 656
8/1/12 at 5:01pm
Would it be possible to do a mural based on a star map for a specific date and time from a specific location? Would be cool to know that what you are looking at on your ceiling was the night sky from the hospital you were born at, or the place you got married on your wedding day or the balcony of the hotel where you stayed on your honeymoon. Would add to the WAF too!
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post #537 of 656
8/1/12 at 7:08pm
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Would it be possible to do a mural based on a star map for a specific date and time from a specific location? Would be cool to know that what you are looking at on your ceiling was the night sky from the hospital you were born at, or the place you got married on your wedding day or the balcony of the hotel where you stayed on your honeymoon. Would add to the WAF too!

Yes, that would be cool. smile.gif
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post #538 of 656
8/1/12 at 10:46pm
Thread Starter 
Let me say tanks quickly to Tom Hilton or his replies to earlier questions.

Suffolk, to answer a question that Tom touched on, but referred back to me... the paint should last for at leat 20 to 30 years. The first murals that I ever painted was with the older pigments, that aren't nearly as good, and at least one that I know about is still shining. The newer paint glows longer (as far as hours per night, or charge)... and has been glowing fine in my bedroom for over 10 years now and is till vey bight. So at least 20 years should be expected.

Now, as for a certain date in time... yes, that's possible, and I do then all the time. I have another option that I've discussed with customers that seems to be more popular these days, but, absolutely... an accurate night sky for a certain date in time is no problem.

Hope that helps!

Jeff

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Would it be possible to do a mural based on a star map for a specific date and time from a specific location? Would be cool to know that what you are looking at on your ceiling was the night sky from the hospital you were born at, or the place you got married on your wedding day or the balcony of the hotel where you stayed on your honeymoon. Would add to the WAF too!
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post #539 of 656
8/2/12 at 10:13am
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Would it be possible to do a mural based on a star map for a specific date and time from a specific location? Would be cool to know that what you are looking at on your ceiling was the night sky from the hospital you were born at, or the place you got married on your wedding day or the balcony of the hotel where you stayed on your honeymoon. Would add to the WAF too!

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Yes, that would be cool. smile.gif


Just saw these posts. I see Jeff has already beat me to the punch with his reply that specifically dated and located murals are a definite option. I think it is also possible to do future dates and locations as well as past.

As a matter of fact, before my wife and I had Jeff do our HT ceiling, we considered having the mural depict the sky as it was over our heads in Texas on our wedding day (8-19-72). Eventually we decided not to do so in the theater room, but someday we still might have Jeff paint the sky for that date and place on another ceiling. It is indeed a cool thought...and amazing that Jeff's artistry makes possible this kind of ceiling decor. smile.gif
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post #540 of 656
8/4/12 at 12:11am
Thread Starter 
Let me just touch on one thing quickly. Tom has already answered your question... so I just want to make a quick comment.

Here's the deal with an accurate sky... They are definitely very cool to say that this is the same night sky that was shining on the night that I was born, married, first kiss, divorced (it happened), or whatever. But, after you tell people that the first couple of times... it just turns into a really cool night sky. I think that I have something else that I have been doing for the past couple of years that might be as fun, or even better. In case any other painters are here... I won't mention it here (I like them to figure things out on their own), but I will be happy to discuss that option in another medium.

But, here's what it really comes down to... When you look at the night sky as a whole, they all look like a real night sky, no matter what constellations you have showing. So, there are a lot of different things to put into a mural, but they all look like you are in the middle of nowhere when the room is dark. So, while it is definitely cool to have a specific date... there are other very nice ways to go too. Not to discourage you against that... but to just let you know that there are other things to do.

Jeff


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Just saw these posts. I see Jeff has already beat me to the punch with his reply that specifically dated and located murals are a definite option. I think it is also possible to do future dates and locations as well as past.
As a matter of fact, before my wife and I had Jeff do our HT ceiling, we considered having the mural depict the sky as it was over our heads in Texas on our wedding day (8-19-72). Eventually we decided not to do so in the theater room, but someday we still might have Jeff paint the sky for that date and place on another ceiling. It is indeed a cool thought...and amazing that Jeff's artistry makes possible this kind of ceiling decor. smile.gif
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