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post #661 of 764
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Hi Tom...

I hope that the video was slow enough for you guys to be able to see all the detail that goes into creating one of the Night Skies. :-)

Hope you liked it...

Jeff

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Originally Posted by Tom Hilton View Post

Really cool, Jeff!

This is an excellent visual aide that will really help me show (as well as describe) to my friends how you do your "wizardry" on a ceiling. smile.gif
post #662 of 764
Man thats some skill, would love to get something done.
I dont think you can create the same look with fibers!

PM sent too NightSkyMurals
post #663 of 764
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Hi Mazman808... LOL, Thanks!

I agree that it wold almost be impossible to get this look with fibers... but then again, there are advantages that fiber offers too. So, what really matters is whether someone wants look over seeing the stars in the light.

Anyway... thanks again. I'll check the PM

Jeff

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Originally Posted by MAZMAN808 View Post

Man thats some skill, would love to get something done.
I dont think you can create the same look with fibers!

PM sent too NightSkyMurals
post #664 of 764
Hi again Jeff,

Just sent a PM to NightSkyMurals.
post #665 of 764
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Got it... and I'm trying to get the guy who made this to make one a little longer. I think he would do it. BTW... anyone in the Charlotte, NC area needing a good photographer... I have a referral for you. He has great shots of homes, weddings and would be great to take shots of your newly finished HT. I doubt he'd be too expensive either.

Jeff
post #666 of 764
Is there a good screen shot or picture of a fiber versus painted ceiling for reference ?

What is the advantages and disadvantages ?

What is the difference in costs ? Difficulty ?
post #667 of 764
Thread Starter 
Hi Mfusick... Did you start at the beginning of this thread? The first post goes into pros and cons of both the painted murals and the fiber optics murals. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and that is covered in the first post... and then all through the 666 posts up to this one. There is a lot of great information throughout all of the pages from people who have had both options installed in their theaters.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Is there a good screen shot or picture of a fiber versus painted ceiling for reference ?

What is the advantages and disadvantages ?

What is the difference in costs ? Difficulty ?
post #668 of 764
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Is there a good screen shot or picture of a fiber versus painted ceiling for reference ?

What is the advantages and disadvantages ?

What is the difference in costs ? Difficulty ?

Fiber is more expensive. (Total Cost)
Fiber is visible in a lit room.
Painted (NightSky's) looks MUCH better and more realistic (In a dim/dark room)
Painted (NightSky) means you don't need to install anything (Other than "charging" lights)

I still want to do a star ceiling, but I'd have to find a way to get the ceiling charged properly, and I don't know when I'll do it, or if I want to deal with the black lights. I love the look of the painted ceiling much better, but not sure if I'll ever get around to putting a star ceiling in
post #669 of 764
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Thanks Damelon for your quick and concise answers. I will be happy to answer with more detailed information... but there is a lot of it throughout this thread. Still, please ask if you can't find what you are looking for, or just don't have the time. If I'm not on the forum, there are a lot of customers who have been willing to answer.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

Fiber is more expensive. (Total Cost)
Fiber is visible in a lit room.
Painted (NightSky's) looks MUCH better and more realistic (In a dim/dark room)
Painted (NightSky) means you don't need to install anything (Other than "charging" lights)

I still want to do a star ceiling, but I'd have to find a way to get the ceiling charged properly, and I don't know when I'll do it, or if I want to deal with the black lights. I love the look of the painted ceiling much better, but not sure if I'll ever get around to putting a star ceiling in
post #670 of 764
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

Fiber is more expensive. (Total Cost)
Fiber is visible in a lit room.
Painted (NightSky's) looks MUCH better and more realistic (In a dim/dark room)
Painted (NightSky) means you don't need to install anything (Other than "charging" lights)

I still want to do a star ceiling, but I'd have to find a way to get the ceiling charged properly, and I don't know when I'll do it, or if I want to deal with the black lights. I love the look of the painted ceiling much better, but not sure if I'll ever get around to putting a star ceiling in


Inexpensive and linkable http://www.slimfluorescent.com/ It's been posted before, but here ya go. T4/T5 are the best brightest lights that allow you to get smaller sizes with more light using less fixtures. They charge the stars to surreal levels biggrin.gif
post #671 of 764
If you were to get another colour besides the ultra violet(the ones from your link ^^^) say a nice blue, would it still charge the painted stars? and also be visable with the blue lights on?
post #672 of 764
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I'll answer this... and anyone else who wants to jump in is more than welcome.

Blue or violet (as long as they are considered black lights, or in the 365nm light spectrum range) should work the same. There are lights with higher wattages that will charge quicker and show the stars more, while they're on too.

As long as they are in that 365 nm spectrum, and not white light... the stars should be visible (or most of them) I have a special paint that I usually use in theater rooms, and some bedrooms that will not just glow in the dark, but also fluoresce under black light.

Now, I've noticed, when painting in Canada... that for some reason, their black lights are very close to white. I remember doing a job and the customer said that he'd just installed black lights in the soffit... and when he turned them on they were white. I thought that he'd just gotten regular fluorescent white lights (which will also charge the stars)... but when I looked at the tubes it had "black light" written right on it.

So, if you're talking real fluorescent lights... be they violet, blue, black or anything dark... you should see the stars while the lights are on and the paint is charging. The whiter the light is, the less you will see anything until the light is off and the room dark.
post #673 of 764
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Originally Posted by autox320 View Post

Inexpensive and linkable http://www.slimfluorescent.com/ It's been posted before, but here ya go. T4/T5 are the best brightest lights that allow you to get smaller sizes with more light using less fixtures. They charge the stars to surreal levels biggrin.gif

Thanks! The issue for me however was more of the fact that it will be a significant amount of work to make room for black lights, putting them somewhere where they weren't directly visible, and still having them be able to charge a ceiling properly. Just putting in one rope light was a chore, and I have thin arms!
post #674 of 764
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

Thanks! The issue for me however was more of the fact that it will be a significant amount of work to make room for black lights, putting them somewhere where they weren't directly visible, and still having them be able to charge a ceiling properly. Just putting in one rope light was a chore, and I have thin arms!

Hi Damelon,

I guess it would be "a significant amount of work" if your intent is to build the black lights into the structure of the room so as to make them unseen and unobtrusive.

Another option is simply to have on hand a movable black light array which can be deployed to the center of the room when you choose to charge up the mural. That has been my approach ever since Jeff painted the ceiling. I just keep a two-tube black light receptacle in a nearby storage area. When needed, I bring out the black light, charge the painting for a half hour or so, and then return the light to its hideaway. For me, this method is very little trouble.
post #675 of 764
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Originally Posted by Tom Hilton View Post

Hi Damelon,

I guess it would be "a significant amount of work" if your intent is to build the black lights into the structure of the room so as to make them unseen and unobtrusive.

Another option is simply to have on hand a movable black light array which can be deployed to the center of the room when you choose to charge up the mural. That has been my approach ever since Jeff painted the ceiling. I just keep a two-tube black light receptacle in a nearby storage area. When needed, I bring out the black light, charge the painting for a half hour or so, and then return the light to its hideaway. For me, this method is very little trouble.

Stop with the common sense! We don't use that here! hehe
post #676 of 764
So if I'm doing new construction adding a charging light into the design isn't a big deal.

That seems easy enough.

I just need to learn a little more about fiber versus painted.

What is the difference in effort or difficulty ?
post #677 of 764
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post


What is the difference in effort or difficulty ?

Painting is easier. You just write Jeff a check. smile.gif
post #678 of 764
Well the check amount also matters. Lol.

Could someone PM or post me typical painting costs? I'd guess travel alone is a plane ticket before a brush touches a ceiling ?
post #679 of 764
They'll give you a quote if you email. He travels when he has other appointments in the area. There are a few different variations depending on detail.
post #680 of 764
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Painting is easier. You just write Jeff a check. smile.gif


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post #681 of 764
Thread Starter 
I don't know if it was in here, or in an email with a customer... but they gave me a great idea for charging their Night Sky Mural that doesn't involve black lights. Normally, I tell people that can lights aren't a good option for charing the paint, because the paint needs to be hit directly with the fluorescent light (365nm). Well, their idea, because of space, was to put can lights in a vertical side wall of a soffit. They are going to put them in at about 2' increments, and surround the ceiling with them.

That is a great option if putting black lights inside of a soffit won't work.

Hope that helps somebody at some point in a build... whether you have me paint a mural, someone else, or DIY.

Jeff
post #682 of 764
Recessed lights are only approved for ceiling applications. Mounting them to the vertical face of a soffit would be a no-no. There are other types of lights that could be installed like this, but not recessed cans.
post #683 of 764
Thread Starter 
Uhh oh... What would be wrong with having them sideways? (This is why I paint dots... other stuff makes my head explode). :-)

Would it be a fire hazard?

I'm hoping that his electrician knows the do's and Don'ts about that stuff.
post #684 of 764
I don't think standard recessed lights are U.L. approved for locations other than ceilings.
post #685 of 764
Thread Starter 
I hope that this is OK with Spaceman, but he posted some pictures of his star ceiling n another thread... and they are so beautiful that I wanted to post them here too.









He did a great job of capturing the room and ceiling.
post #686 of 764
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I've been asked multiple times where a person can buy good black lights. I have heard, from customers, that both WildfireFX.com and SlimFluorescents.com were good options... and so I put that information in one of the comments in this thread.

Well, let me add a note about that...

WildFireFX has seemed to offer great lights, though pretty expensive. But they seem to be powerful and work.

SlimFluorescents, on the other hand, are less than half the price of WildFireFX, for similar low-profile lights that can connect to each other. BUT... I have heard back, from more than one person, that some of the SlimFluorescents lights are showing up not working, and others stop working after a few months. And, while they will only offer a refund within 30 days, they will replace any light that stops working, for up to a year.

I don't want to NOT refer them... because not everyone wants to pay $85 each for a 4', WildFire black light. Some people would rather chance having to replace a few lights in exchange for a better price. I just wanted to let anyone know, who might be looking into black lights.

Jeff
post #687 of 764
Jeff,

Long time no see. Been extremely busy as of late... So busy, yet still found time to put our house on the market and having another built. eek.gif Been helping the Devs over at Media Browser with all their new features and clients. Very excited about their new Media Browser Theater (MBT) program for Windows PCs. My theater has really come to life, with MBT along with Media Browser Kinect (been helping that Dev too) my theater is nearly remote free. Voice recognition can be used to browse my movies and control my theater hands free. Its really cool stuff.

Anyways... I hate letting go of my awesome theater... but I'm really looking forward to building a new one. My new house comes with a bonus room instead of a 3rd car garage. Its bigger than my current one, but will still be small and cozy after I'm done with it. Which brings me to you... I love my mural, and am hoping you can make your way here and help me with a new one.

I have to tell you what my realtor said about my theater... "Wow, this house is going to sell in a week... You only see stuff like this in million dollar homes." smile.gif

Glad to see your keeping up with this forum, and I hope business is booming for you. Unfortunately, I have been furloughed with the government crap going on, but hope to be back to work soon.

Take care,

Xzener
post #688 of 764
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Originally Posted by NightSkyMurals View Post

I get asked a lot how I paint my murals... so I put together a video (under 1 minute) of me painting. Enjoy...

Click here to watch me paint a mural

Jeff

HAHA!! Love this video Jeff. I've always admired how you keep your technique a secret.
post #689 of 764
Hello Jeff, and All
Just wanted to drop a few lines. It's been awhile now since Jeff painted our bedroom ceiling. I can't express to you on a forum how much it's enjoyed by us and talked about by visitors who witness it in person. People need to see the work in person to understand. Pictures don't do justice. I've had several ask us to just take some pics but we insist they come over to see in person.

Jeff we removed the snow globe center light piece for a ceiling fan. It has added to the look along with permanently mounted wildfire black lighting over the bed area. Added a second blacklight behind the column next to the moon which gives that corner area a boost charge. Everything when the lights are off can be seen in just seconds due to the charging power of the wildfire lights. They are more money but worth the extra IMO.

We have the slim fluorescent lights also to compare but after using them prefer the extra brightness of the wildfire. My wife downloaded the app called skyview for her tablet. She was viewing in night mode inside the room and once again complimented on how accurate the constellations were Jeff painted. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DroidSkyViewTelescope

sample pic of the room fan; looks like a satellite to me, bought the brushed nickel version and replaced the light with a high power led replacement


-Jody
post #690 of 764
Thread Starter 
Hey!!! Great to hear from you! Moving, eh? You had a great home. Looking forward to seeing the new one. Just get the BBQ ready and I'll make it by there. Email me and let me know when you think you'll be ready. I have some California jobs starting to come together, so will probably be making a couple trips out there over the next 6 months. I'd really like to have one trip before it gets too hot, so I can take my youngest with me and hit Disneyland with her. She's been waiting a while for me to not go on a 5 or 6 state painting trip so that she can go with me.

Anyway, good for you guys building a new home. I wouldn't survive the ordeal. I've seen too many couples mad at each other during a build. I'm in hot water enough as it is... don't need to add the pressure of building a home too. :-)

Shoot me an email.

Jeff
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