New Onkyo TX-NR5008 & TX-NR3008 - Page 6

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

^ Essentially. Again though, you can take 5 minutes configuring it correctly to all but alleviate the issue. There's solid reasons to chase after the Denon 4311, but this is not one of them, IMHO.

James

Originally Posted by gurkey

Note:
Audyssey, CTO Chris Kyrakakis, has just announced, that the first production run of the 3008 / 5008 has a firmware bug, which causes the stated problems. There will be an official announcement by Onkyo following, up to which serial no this problem exists. For those units affected a firmware update will be provided by Onkyo.

Originally Posted by bakerwi

gurkey,

Thanks for sharing this information, but I'm still torn between the TX-NR3008 and the Denon AVR-4311CI. The Denon has some nice features, but I'm trying to look for a compelling reason to buy the Onkyo and be done with it.


Willie

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

I won't call you crazy, I'll just say that I don't think you (or anyone else) could pick either out consistently at even VERY loud spls.

Outside of the THX porcessing modes, I simply do not see a reason feature/performance-wise to choose the 3008.

Denon has in its corner:

11.X potential
Superior Video Chip
Pre-Amp functionality
Better GUI
Digital inputs to 2/3 zones

Originally Posted by gupta011

i have been looking at the tx-nr5008, but now am confused regarding the 'clicking' issue. How big a deal is this? Is it likely there is a fix coming down the pike? What, if anything, would be a good consideration for a replacement?

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

I won't call you crazy, I'll just say that I don't think you (or anyone else) could pick either out consistently at even VERY loud spls.

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

I won't call you crazy, I'll just say that I don't think you (or anyone else) could pick either out consistently at even VERY loud spls.

Outside of the THX porcessing modes, I simply do not see a reason feature/performance-wise to choose the 3008.

Denon has in its corner:

11.X potential
Superior Video Chip
Pre-Amp functionality
Better GUI
Digital inputs to 2/3 zones


That said, as mentioned here before, the 3008 could easily be 3-$400 cheaper.

Value's my mantra and no doubt the 3008's stuffed with it.

James

Originally Posted by ctviggen

How much of that do you really need? (And doesn't the 3008 have "pre-amp functionality"?) Personally, I would and will never use 11 channel (not in this house), I have a video processor, and I use a different receiver to power the music throughout my house. That leaves "Better Gui", which once you get one of these set up, you never look at (at least I haven't in the last several years).

Originally Posted by googlegod

I know I could easy tell the them apart, the low end of the 607 is soild sounding and the 1909 sounded thin by A/B them. I happen to be one of those who really listens to music, not just build towers of hardware

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

I won't call you crazy, I'll just say that I don't think you (or anyone else) could pick either out consistently at even VERY loud spls.

Outside of the THX porcessing modes, I simply do not see a reason feature/performance-wise to choose the 3008.

Denon has in its corner:

11.X potential
Superior Video Chip
Pre-Amp functionality
Better GUI
Digital inputs to 2/3 zones




That said, as mentioned here before, the 3008 could easily be 3-$400 cheaper.

Value's my mantra and no doubt the 3008's stuffed with it.

James

Originally Posted by gurkey

The "relay clicking" issue wasn't one, really, because it happened only, if the user did not setup default audio modes in the units setup, thus causing the unit to hunt / search for a new mode every time the input parameters changed. They just added a convenience feature, to have this subdued in the case, this was the cause.
This matter - and its remedy - has been discussed extensively in several forums and threads already.
I do have one of the "big" Onkyos and it never happened to me...

Originally Posted by bakerwi

googlegod,

We are a lot higher up the food chain than a comparison between the 607 and a 1909. Since, the Denon AVR-4311CI and the Onkyo TX-NR3008 have implemented from the upper end of Burr Brown DACs your ears may not be as golden as you think. If I'm not mistaken the AVR-4311CI and the TX-NR5008 use the same Burr Brown DACs, but different implementations of course.


Willie

Originally Posted by ctviggen

How much of that do you really need? (And doesn't the 3008 have "pre-amp functionality"?) Personally, I would and will never use 11 channel (not in this house), I have a video processor, and I use a different receiver to power the music throughout my house. That leaves "Better Gui", which once you get one of these set up, you never look at (at least I haven't in the last several years).

Originally Posted by gupta011

without being an *******, where exactly would I find the discussed "matter - and its remedy"?

Originally Posted by ctviggen

How much of that do you really need? (And doesn't the 3008 have "pre-amp functionality"?) Personally, I would and will never use 11 channel (not in this house), I have a video processor, and I use a different receiver to power the music throughout my house. That leaves "Better Gui", which once you get one of these set up, you never look at (at least I haven't in the last several years).

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

^ the funny thing about 99% of the above:

is that it's readily dismissing the Denon's advantages while not promoting a SINGLE advantage of the 3008.


First, I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck that no one on this forum could differentiate between the 4311 and 3008 in a level-matched ABX.

I've personally had/owned both the Reon and ABT and feel the ABT does a better job. By no means is either a deal breaker/maker, just saying. I believe most critical reviews I've read have leaned that way as well.

Ditto for pre-amp mode.

The 11 channel option though is VERY significant, especially when you consider the type of enthusiast who's spending this kind of time and money on an AVR. Many (like me) can, desire and WILL use an 11 speaker array.

Accepting digital inputs in other zones should be expected in a flagship receiver, IMO. Denon does it with mid-models.

I'm still figuring if the 11 channel is a must for me, but I consider too that although it may not be NOW, I'm moving to a future, expanded spot where it'll be easily utilized.

I like both units, one to me simply offers more, for a few hundred more, of course.

James

Originally Posted by audyssey

here is the latest information that i have received. Onkyo has identified a firmware issue that affects the results of the multeq xt 32 calibration. Their engineering team is working very hard to fix it. They expect to post a firmware update on their website very soon (in the next few days).

Originally Posted by Audiodork

Hello,
I am not so sure about Anchor Bay's Chip being superior to Reon. That is certainly up for debate. Denon's Preamp Only function is excellent and truly is a great idea though I do believe the AVR-4800 offered this years ago as well. Awesome regardless.

I am also not so sure about the Denon having a superior GUI. This is another thing that is somewhat subjective. Digital Inputs to Zones 2 & 3 is a great feature for sure as is having support for 11 Channels simultaneously. Though I do question how many people can accommodate 11 Speakers and 2 Subwoofers in their Room/HT.
Cheers,
AD

Originally Posted by Eldiablos

I'm considering both the 4311 and the 3008. My main sticking points are that the 3008 is heavier by 16 lbs (assuming the power supplies are beefier) and it has the THX ultra select 2 cert (not sure how exactly important that really is to me).

The 4311 has the 11 channel option (not that I will use all 11 just like the flexibility option) and the ability to shut off amps to reduce heat and not use as much wall juice if i run an external amp

Originally Posted by Shnapper

I'm kinda lost on the point being made about the Denon's ability to shut down internally while using external amps, the Onkyo not being able to do this?

I had my Ipod hooked up to an Integra 50.2 running the Ipod on Zones 2&3 off external amps and the internal amps were not on? Is this what's being referred to in the arguments I have read? Or is it something different?

Originally Posted by Shnapper

I'm kinda lost on the point being made about the Denon's ability to shut down internally while using external amps, the Onkyo not being able to do this?

I had my Ipod hooked up to an Integra 50.2 running the Ipod on Zones 2&3 off external amps and the internal amps were not on? Is this what's being referred to in the arguments I have read? Or is it something different?

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

Opinion: shutting down internal, unused amplifiers translates into increased sound quality for reasons really beyond the scope of your question. Some would say: absolutely, some would say: not a chance. YMMV.

Fact: if one is going to use external amplification anyway, extinguishing internal AVR amplifiers will reduce heat and electricity consumption.

Fact: although you were just using zones 2 & 3, the entire amplification section of the AVR MAY have been powered on, athough I'm pretty sure in your case the Onkyo does not power on the other 5 channels when JUST using the other zones. This is more directed at those using a 5/7/9/11 channel array in the main room with external amps. People now have the ability to turn off the amps they are "pre-outting" to (an) external amplifier(S) when, in the past, they could not.

I think that nut-shells it.

James