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post #211 of 8416
9/4/10 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Certainly, but the XT version works, while the XT32 does not...
More interesting is the fact, that the 3007 firmware did work on the 3008.

I guess the way you can see if your unit is still working with XT32 is if it still tries to ping your subs at the beginning of the auto-setup. NR3007 does not do that.
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post #212 of 8416
9/4/10 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by jmalto View Post

I guess the way you can see if your unit is still working with XT32 is if it still tries to ping your subs at the beginning of the auto-setup. NR3007 does not do that.

What does that mean exactly? I didn't noticed anything different in the auto set up as far as the sub goes when I ran XT32 yesterday.. (5008)

Edit: I'm comparing to the Integra 50.2 that had just MultiEQ.......
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post #213 of 8416
9/4/10 at 6:05pm
I guess, the HDMI 1.4a features (hardware) do not need special support from the firmware to be basically useful. The rest of the hardware seems to be (almost) identical and Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is been implemented in software completely, using the same components as the former generation AVRs (this at least has been stated by Chris of Audyssey).

The firmware of the 3007 for the 3008 seems to be only a fast workaround for the mentioned problems of the 3008 / 5008 and will most certainly be replaced by Onkyo with a firmware update for XT32 as soon as possible.
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post #214 of 8416
9/4/10 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by James A. McGahee View Post

Me too. How about the speaker static so many folks are reporting on the 3007 & 5007?

Is anyone experiencing any speaker noise/static on the 3008 or 5008?



Anyone?
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post #215 of 8416
9/4/10 at 10:34pm
Hi,

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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Someone (owner of the new 3008) from the German HiFi-Forum reported, that Onkyo had sent him the latest firmware update for the 3007 as a replacement for the defective firmware of the 3008 (MultiEQ Xt32). Reportedly the 3007 firmware version on the 3008 worked and sounded fine...
Surprise...surprise...

Link: http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?a...postID=144#144

I own a 5007 and I think that the 3008/5008 series are essentialy (on a hardware basis and save HDMI 1.4) the same receivers as the 3007/5007 are.

IMHO this though means that the latest 3007/5007 firmware can "easily" be loaded on a 3008/5008.

But doesn't it also mean that the corrected firmware for the 3008/5008 (with MultEQ XT32 + Sub EQ HT + DSX W+H 9.2 capacity) would be also loadable onto the 3007/5007?

Well THAT would be an "easy" after sales action which would certify the image of long term support offered by the Onkyo company.

Wouldn't that also restore the confidence of "seriousness" lost with the 3008/5008 inacceptable bug?

Just my 2c,

Hugo
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post #216 of 8416
9/5/10 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Someone (owner of the new 3008) from the German HiFi-Forum reported, that Onkyo had sent him the latest firmware update for the 3007 as a replacement for the defective firmware of the 3008 (MultiEQ Xt32). Reportedly the 3007 firmware version on the 3008 worked and sounded fine...
Surprise...surprise...

Link: http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?a...postID=144#144


If you carefully read his posts the first one says the link he was sent was for the xxx7 series and the next post than says only the instructions were for the xxx7 series...

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I have mail to the Onkyo support by turning.
Today I received a link to an update, but it is the firmware from the TX-NRxx07'ener series.
Is this not a problem and walk me any new features lost?

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... Has been done. It is only the instructions of 3007.
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post #217 of 8416
9/5/10 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by James A. McGahee View Post

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Me too. How about the speaker static so many folks are reporting on the 3007 & 5007? Anyone?


I have had the 5008 for about 3-4 days now, I have heard no static at all during the many modes I've listened to. I think there maybe a small issue with the HDMI switching, also my Cox Cable Box (scientific Atlanta) is a small nuisance as well. Could be me but on certain channels I can only get the side surrounds to play using THX Ultra 2 cinema. The backs will play always no matter what mode, D-EX, Normal 7.1 THX cinema etc etc... Weird, but certain channels must cause decoding problems because it is limited to certain broadcast.

The Audyssey problem has nothing to do with this as I have Audyssey disabled...
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post #218 of 8416
9/5/10 at 9:30am
Hi,

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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

If you carefully read his posts the first one says the link he was sent was for the xxx7 series and the next post than says only the instructions were for the xxx7 series...

Here is the total quote, including the post made on Sep 3rd:

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Hardrocker Hardrockers
Created: 02 Sep 2010, 13:24 September 2010, 13:24
...hat sich schon erledigt. ... Has been done. Es ist nur die Anleitung vom 3007 It is only the instructions of 3007

________ ________
Gruß Greeting
Hardrocker Hardrockers


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Created: 03 Sep 2010, 07:02 September 2010, 07:02
Hallo, Hi,
habe gestern noch das Update installiert und was soll ich sagen - es funktioniert! I installed the update yesterday and what can I say - it works!
Jetzt kann ich endlich Audyssey nutzen. Now I can finally make use of Audyssey. Ich hatte noch nicht viel Zeit zum testen aber ich denke es klingt besser als meine manuelle Einstellung, die ich vorher notgedrungen machen musste. I did not have much time to test yet but I think it sounds better than my manual setting that I inevitably had to do before.

________ ________
Gruß Greeting
Hardrocker Hardrockers

[Beitrag von Hardrocker am 03. [Posted by hard rockers at 03 Sep 2010, 10:19 bearbeitet] September 2010, 10:19 edited]

Which means that he finally (as of Sep 3rd) succeeded in installing the (latest?) xxx7 series firmware on his 3008...

Have a nice Sunday,

Hugo
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post #219 of 8416
9/5/10 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Hugo S View Post

Which means that he finally (as of Sep 3rd) succeeded in installing the (latest?) xxx7 series firmware on his 3008...

Have a nice Sunday,

Hugo

Hugo..

How can you dismiss:

"It is only the instructions of 3007?"

He never claims it was the 3007 firmware....

He installed firmware via the link from Onkyo... which also happened to include the instructions/PDF from the xxx7 models.

You are reading into it your hope that you will be able to have a xxx8 like unit via a FW update.... I don't see how you can state, as a fact, he used the xxx7 firmware...

He never said he did... there are so many little functional differences from the xxx7 series I just don't see how anyone would think one could work on another (i.e. ARC, HDMI pass through on standby, HDMI hardware, Napster and Mediafly support, the GUI and menu structure to support such functionality, etc..) Not to mention the DSP for audio processing might be different...
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post #220 of 8416
9/5/10 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by Shnapper View Post

Could be me but on certain channels I can only get the side surrounds to play using THX Ultra 2 cinema. The backs will play always no matter what mode, D-EX, Normal 7.1 THX cinema etc etc... Weird, but certain channels must cause decoding problems because it is limited to certain broadcast.

The Audyssey problem has nothing to do with this as I have Audyssey disabled...

I believe that there is some programming using DD5.1 that provides little or no content on the surround channels. For 2.0 signals, PLIIx will generate content for both side and rear surrounds but when DD5.1 is received, PLIIx will expand to 7.1 by creating content to fill only the rears. That's why you sometimes get sound only from the rears. The THX Ultra modes provide additional processing that fills in what's missing from the side surrounds and is your best bet in those cases. At least that's been my experience with the 1007.
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post #221 of 8416
9/5/10 at 12:14pm
Is the OSD any different on the 5008 than th 5007? I see in the item description references to an overlaid OSD. Therefore, can you view all of the setup menus over the current video input similar to the newer Denons?

Thanks
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post #222 of 8416
9/5/10 at 12:37pm
I'm on still on the fence all the last models of Flagship Receivers can be had for so little.
(Yamaha RXZ11 under $1600) MSRP was$5499
(Pioneer SC-TX09 under $2800) MSRP was$7000
(Onkyo TX-NR5007 under $1300) MSRP was$2699
(Denon AVR-5308CI under $4000) MSRP was$5499
The list goes on etc etc.

I'm sure there will be an option to upgrade to 3D and be HDMI 1.4 ready to use these flagship receivers in a 3D AV system.

A close friend who is the assistant manager in the A/V department of the local London Drugs assures me there will be accessible 3D upgrades for free on all ONKYO TX-NR 007 Model's.
So I may jump on a cheap TX-NR5007 and wait for free update.

Is there really a great deal to be gained with the TX-NR5008 at $1800 that already has issues with its room correction software update?
The 5007 is as low as $1300 from authorized dealers.

NOTE ALL FIGURES ABOVE ARE $USD before tax & there is no tax if shipped to a different state and or country.
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post #223 of 8416
9/5/10 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by Woody B View Post

I'm on still on the fence all the last models of Flagship Receivers can be had for so little.
(Yamaha RXZ11 under $1600) MSRP was$5499
(Pioneer SC-TX09 under $2800) MSRP was$7000
(Onkyo TX-NR5007 under $1300) MSRP was$2699
(Denon AVR-5308CI under $4000) MSRP was$5499
The list goes on etc etc.

I'm sure there will be an option to upgrade to 3D and be HDMI 1.4 ready to use these flagship receivers in a 3D AV system.

A close friend who is the assistant manager in the A/V department of the local London Drugs assures me there will be accessible 3D upgrades for free on all ONKYO TX-NR 007 Model's.
So I may jump on a cheap TX-NR5007 and wait for free update.

Is there really a great deal to be gained with the TX-NR5008 at $1800 that already has issues with its room correction software update?
The 5007 is as low as $1300 from authorized dealers.

NOTE ALL FIGURES ABOVE ARE $USD before tax & there is no tax if shipped to a different state and or country.

This next information is for Canadian shoppers and is easy to find at Canadian Border Services over the Phone.

There are no import duties on H/T RECEIVERS to CANADA no matter where they are built only local sales tax is charged I guess thats the HST now @12%.

Speakers only have a duty of 6.5% if not built in North America including Mexico.

Since N.A.F.T.A. there has been no duties on products made in North America when shipped from North American Manufacturers.

Oops did it again I better get a flack Jacket and move to Kevlar country. Kevlar Speakers that is lol

3D may never take off so I don't see a reason to get one if your not into it. If I return this 5008, I might do the same and get the 5007. If any free updates are available for last gen products that would be a huge slap in the face for everyone buying new 3d products at a higher price. I would assume if Onkyo supplies free updates it won't be anytime soon, at least not while there trying to push the latest 1.4a shwag.....
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post #224 of 8416
9/5/10 at 2:14pm
I don't think, that Onkyo is going to provide an update for their xxx7 series to the features of the new xxx8 series. Would be counter productive for them and hurt their sales of the new series.
Just to the contrary i am pretty sure, that there won't be one, ever (at least not from Onkyo).
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post #225 of 8416
9/5/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by Shnapper View Post

What does that mean exactly? I didn't noticed anything different in the auto set up as far as the sub goes when I ran XT32 yesterday.. (5008)

Edit: I'm comparing to the Integra 50.2 that had just MultiEQ.......

It means exactly what I said, the NR3007 and 5007 did not have the sub level test at the very beginning. You plugged the MIC in, hit enter, and it started auto-setup. Was your Integra amp installer ready?
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post #226 of 8416
9/5/10 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by jmalto View Post

It means exactly what I said, the NR3007 and 5007 did not have the sub level test at the very beginning. You plugged the MIC in, hit enter, and it started auto-setup. Was your Integra amp installer ready?

Ok I get what your saying now, the 50.2 and 5008 ask for the same thing.. It ask to set the sub level at 75dB then it goes from there. Why would the 007's not do that? Seems like a simple feature...
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post #227 of 8416
9/6/10 at 12:21am
Hi FilmMixer,

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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Hugo..
How can you dismiss:
"It is only the instructions of 3007?"
He never claims it was the 3007 firmware....
He installed firmware via the link from Onkyo... which also happened to include the instructions/PDF from the xxx7 models.
You are reading into it your hope that you will be able to have a xxx8 like unit via a FW update.... I don't see how you can state, as a fact, he used the xxx7 firmware...
He never said he did... there are so many little functional differences from the xxx7 series I just don't see how anyone would think one could work on another (i.e. ARC, HDMI pass through on standby, HDMI hardware, Napster and Mediafly support, the GUI and menu structure to support such functionality, etc..) Not to mention the DSP for audio processing might be different...

You are perfectly right and at this moment, there is objectively no argument I could present that states the contrary.

Nevertheless I change receivers every year and the 5008 (before I cancelled my pre order) would have been my 4th Onkyo after the 905/906/5007. I though happen to practice/know Onkyo's (European) support quite well.

So what I can assure you is that this tech support would have NEVER sent to a single customer a "strategically new" firmware before that this has been "publically" published. This simply isn't part of the "culture" of their service... but then one could argue there are always exceptions...

So permit me to stick with what I wrote before. Even though this is of less importance to me as I'm going to switch my 5007 for a 4311/A100, which should better fill my needs as I have a complete and strict Audyssey DSX 11.2 Klipsch THX Ultra2 installation.

Now concerning:

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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

I don't think, that Onkyo is going to provide an update for their xxx7 series to the features of the new xxx8 series. Would be counter productive for them and hurt their sales of the new series.
Just to the contrary i am pretty sure, that there won't be one, ever (at least not from Onkyo).

I totally agree with that and this is what I "opportunely" had in mind... but here, we may be probably leaving AVS "official" territories.

Have a not too hard Monday return...

Hugo
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post #228 of 8416
9/6/10 at 5:49am
I am still not sure, if he has gotten a genuine 3008 firmware update, because the measuring process after the update was the same as for the 3007.
In contrary the 3008 (XT32) version is supposed to sent a pre-measurement ping to the subs, which his upgraded 3008 didn't do.
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post #229 of 8416
9/6/10 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

I am still not sure, if he has gotten a genuine 3008 firmware update, because the measuring process after the update was the same as for the 3007.
In contrary the 3008 (XT32) version is supposed to sent a pre-measurement ping to the subs, which his upgraded 3008 didn't do.

Ummm... where did he say that?

He never talks about the pings in the page of posts you linked to, and that is the last page of the thread..

His last, and latest, post actually says this:

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When I read the instructions for the 3007 was, during the update process of
I also thought it would be only the firmware of the predecessor.
I then asked for and got the Onkyo after confirmation that this is the firmware for the 3008 concerns.
I hope times is true.
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post #230 of 8416
9/6/10 at 8:37am
The bottom dropped out of the price of the 5008 from newegg compared to last time I checked it. I wonder if it is due to the negative buzz about the firmware and X32 deployment on this unit. I'm thinking this may be the time to pick one up before a firmware fix is released and the price increases.
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post #231 of 8416
9/6/10 at 8:54am
I ordered a TX-NR3008 unit and it should be on its way this week.

In the meanwhile, I decided to call Onkyo's tech support (NJ, USA) and the guy there told me he hadn't been made aware of the faulty Audyssey MultEQ XT32 issue!!!

What the hell??? I told him it was being discussed on very serious home theater sites like AVSForum and that many american owners have had issues since the end of August! I said I couldn't believe he didn't receive a phone call about this...

Is this guy just ignorant or was he hiding the issue??

Anyways, he said that if any firmware update becomes available, it will be posted on the Onkyo website.

I'm coming from a Marantz receiver, of which I never had issues, and I'm a bit disapointed that a brand new, high-end unit that hasn't even made it to my door already has issues...

I'm also disapointed that Onkyo STILL hasn't posted a press release on their site concerning the issue... I don't like companies ignoring owners like that... They knew about this issue at least since August 30th.

Come on Onkyo!!!
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post #232 of 8416
9/6/10 at 9:18am
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The bottom dropped out of the price of the 5008 from newegg compared to last time I checked it. I wonder if it is due to the negative buzz about the firmware and X32 deployment on this unit. I'm thinking this may be the time to pick one up before a firmware fix is released and the price increases.

Newegg always has great weekend sale, even on hot products...
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post #233 of 8416
9/6/10 at 10:17am
It is quite unusual, that one user gets an (up to now) unofficial firmware version, before it is even published elsewhere and just a few days after the firmware bug has become known publicly. Those are the reasons for my doubts...
Additionally he didn't mention, that the XT32 shows a new behavior, compared to the XT version.


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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Ummm... where did he say that?

He never talks about the pings in the page of posts you linked to, and that is the last page of the thread..

His last, and latest, post actually says this:
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post #234 of 8416
9/6/10 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

It is quite unusual, that one user gets an (up to now) unofficial firmware version, before it is even published elsewhere and just a few days after the firmware bug has become known publicly. Those are the reasons for my doubts...
Additionally he didn't mention, that the XT32 shows a new behavior, compared to the XT version.

Gurkey... my point is this...

You've made multiple posts which contain false summations based on that users posts on the German forum..

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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Someone (owner of the new 3008) from the German HiFi-Forum reported, that Onkyo had sent him the latest firmware update for the 3007 as a replacement for the defective firmware of the 3008 (MultiEQ Xt32). Reportedly the 3007 firmware version on the 3008 worked and sounded fine...
Surprise...surprise...

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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

More interesting is the fact, that the 3007 firmware did work on the 3008.

He clearly stated that only the instructions were for the xxx7 series.

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In contrary the 3008 (XT32) version is supposed to sent a pre-measurement ping to the subs, which his upgraded 3008 didn't do.

There is no mention whatsoever about this in any of his posts.

Then only credible information at this point comes from Chris K. from Audsyssy...

Dated 09/02/10:

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Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

Here is the latest information that I have received. Onkyo has identified a firmware issue that affects the results of the MultEQ XT 32 calibration. Their engineering team is working very hard to fix it. They expect to post a firmware update on their website very soon (in the next few days).

I'm just interested in keeping the facts straight...
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post #235 of 8416
9/6/10 at 11:19am
Well, i just replicated, what the user stated at that original moment...
He then corrected his own post afterwards in a new message because of a phone call to Onkyo Germany, where they told him, that this version was for the 3008. Fine.
The new firmware, mentioned by Chris, has not been posted by Onkyo (yet).
Strange enough, that the stated user was supposed to get this very firmware already a few days after this bug has been reported.
We'll see, what he reports back and when it will finally arrive publicly.

The pre ping behavior of the subs has been stated by several user of the new 3008.
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post #236 of 8416
9/6/10 at 4:17pm
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"A reason that you didn't mention as it relates to music is that the 5008 is using Burr Brown 32-bit DACs vs the Burr Brown 24-bit DACs in the 3008. Hopefully, there is a sonic benefit between the 2 implementations."

I understand once you get past about 24 bits it is getting down into the noise levels and very hard to tell the difference.
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post #237 of 8416
9/6/10 at 5:53pm
After reading so many threads about the pros and cons of this receiver and manufacturer I've decided to let my Sony STR-DA7100ES retire. We waited for Sony's flagship receiver however to swap out a receiver in my home theater is a "personal joy" for me. The Onkyo flagship receiver will arrive soon and hopefully it will be as sweet for at least the next few years as was the Sony but 3D, hdmi and the price was just right to make the step. Please continue to discuss fully your experiences because it helps in decision-making.
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post #238 of 8416
9/6/10 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by Shnapper View Post

I have had the 5008 for about 3-4 days now, I have heard no static at all during the many modes I've listened to. I think there maybe a small issue with the HDMI switching, also my Cox Cable Box (scientific Atlanta) is a small nuisance as well. Could be me but on certain channels I can only get the side surrounds to play using THX Ultra 2 cinema. The backs will play always no matter what mode, D-EX, Normal 7.1 THX cinema etc etc... Weird, but certain channels must cause decoding problems because it is limited to certain broadcast.

The Audyssey problem has nothing to do with this as I have Audyssey disabled...

Thanks for the reply. Anyone who gets the 3008 or 5008 please let us know whether the speaker static problem is still around or not. Thanks-
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9/7/10 at 12:35am
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post #240 of 8416
9/7/10 at 3:01am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Please read, what I posted just before.
You have to setup default modes for each operating mode of the AVR to make it practically disappear....

I do not understand what you mean ?

Do you mean in the audio preverance:

Master audio > Master audio
TrueHD > TrueHD

or

Master audio > last used
TrueHD > last used
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