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post #2371 of 8415
1/21/11 at 6:11am
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I went with the 5008 because it was $1599 around christmas time and I wanted the better DACs and power supplies (although the rated wattage difference is small-Id be interested in seeing actual measurements when driving 7 or 9 speakers between the 3008 and 5008-I wonder if the dual power supplies gives any real world difference).

Are those differences audible-maybe not. But down the road it will have a higher resale value being their flagship for this series.

I would agree, in most cases, the 3008 would serve people just fine. I just wanted the peace of mind and at the time the 5008 was cheaper than it is now.

+1, the name "Toroidal" sounds really cool and from my research they provide quiet, efficient operation with very low stray magnetic fields, and run cool. I also believe in the credo of Frank Vacek from Frank's Highland Park Camera who used to say to customers trying to talk him down on price, "Don't worry, the more you pay, the more you like it!" Truer words were never spoken! Being my first foray into a "Flagship" product it feels good knowing you have the "best". Call me extravagent and/or crazy, I was and continue to be happy for spending the extra bucks for that best in class feeling.
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post #2372 of 8415
1/21/11 at 6:38am
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... I hear no sound from the width speakers ...

Yes, I'm running heights + wides currently. Might want to check your listening mode and make sure you've activated DSX?

DSX is active, mode is DSX. After posting the above, I did hear some sound from my left surround, so I guess it may be okay. I had previously listened to some action scenes from movies which I had expected to exercise the width speakers, and when I didn't hear anything, began to think something was wrong.
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post #2373 of 8415
1/21/11 at 7:56am
Hey guys, what are the main differences between the 3008 and 5008? Also how are these 2 different from last years models? Lastly can someone PM me on what the best prices these go for? Id appreciate it!
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post #2374 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:02am
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DSX is active, mode is DSX. After posting the above, I did hear some sound from my left surround, so I guess it may be okay. I had previously listened to some action scenes from movies which I had expected to exercise the width speakers, and when I didn't hear anything, began to think something was wrong.

Sounds like something is wrong. I hear my wide speakers almost all the time watching TV.
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post #2375 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:29am
Got my front high speakers up and running and they do make a difference , so really pleased ( no room for front wides though so wont benifit from those ! )
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post #2376 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by ripley161 View Post

Got my front high speakers up and running and they do make a difference , so really pleased ( no room for front wides though so wont benifit from those ! )

I just got my front high speakers mounted. I love the added sound. The onkyo also allows you to migrate up the center channel so it comes out some from the heights.
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post #2377 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

DSX is active, mode is DSX. After posting the above, I did hear some sound from my left surround, so I guess it may be okay. I had previously listened to some action scenes from movies which I had expected to exercise the width speakers, and when I didn't hear anything, began to think something was wrong.

I haven't looked but with the wides have you tried turning the volume up a bit on those speakers in the settings?
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post #2378 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by ripley161 View Post

Got my front high speakers up and running and they do make a difference , so really pleased ( no room for front wides though so wont benifit from those ! )

Cool. Quick question - are you running surround backs as well, or just 5.1 plus heights? Reason Im asking is Im THIS close to ordering a 3008, and currently have a 5.2 setup, but wondering if I should order 2 speakers as well for heights and 2 for surround backs Room too narrow/screen too big for wides
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post #2379 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by ripley161 View Post

Got my front high speakers up and running and they do make a difference , so really pleased ( no room for front wides though so wont benifit from those ! )

My Highs make a much bigger difference for me than the wides to the point that I listen to the Highs with no Wides and both the Surrounds L/R and Surround Backs. Rock on with your bad self!
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post #2380 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by sdmfer View Post

Cool. Quick question - are you running surround backs as well, or just 5.1 plus heights? Reason Im asking is Im THIS close to ordering a 3008, and currently have a 5.2 setup, but wondering if I should order 2 speakers as well for heights and 2 for surround backs Room too narrow/screen too big for wides

I run 5.1 plus heights. For my room I can't do surround backs (couch is close to the back wall). According to science, the human ear hears more from the front than the back. According to Audyssey, the best improvements come from wides, then heights then surround backs. Now then we have to also deal with the size of the room. I would at least get the heights and if you can correctly position the backs, get them too (like if you have a longer room). Basically a well positioned 5.1 setup will run circles around a crammed, poorly positioned 7.1.
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post #2381 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by Eldiablos View Post

I run 5.1 plus heights. For my room I can't do surround backs (couch is close to the back wall). According to science, the human ear hears more from the front than the back. According to Audyssey, the best improvements come from wides, then heights then surround backs. Now then we have to also deal with the size of the room. I would at least get the heights and if you can correctly position the backs, get them too (like if you have a longer room). Basically a well positioned 5.1 setup will run circles around a crammed, poorly positioned 7.1.

Thanks for the info My room is 11.5' (w) x 26' (L) and about 7" high. I have about 9 feet of room behind the couch to the back wall, along this wall I have a desk/guitar station thing, I suppose I have room on this wall for the surround backs, but not sure if it will be worth it or not. I'd have to search ebay for the same NHT bookshelf speakers I have (to be consistent).
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post #2382 of 8415
1/21/11 at 8:58am
There doesn't seem to be an Audyssey flat eq option on 3008/5008, so would the Manual eq mode be considered flat and also have Audyssey engaged?

I prefer Audyssey flat for music.
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post #2383 of 8415
1/21/11 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by sdmfer View Post

Thanks for the info My room is 11.5' (w) x 26' (L) and about 7" high. I have about 9 feet of room behind the couch to the back wall, along this wall I have a desk/guitar station thing, I suppose I have room on this wall for the surround backs, but not sure if it will be worth it or not. I'd have to search ebay for the same NHT bookshelf speakers I have (to be consistent).

While it is important to voice match your front speakers, your surrounds are not as important. For your setup, since you cannot properly place a set of front wides, by all means do the heights and surround backs. Just make sure your surround placement is similar to http://asia.cnet.com/digitalliving/t...13047-2,00.htm or you maybe disappointed with the sound. But with that receiver and the size of the room I say no problem doing front heights and surround rears. One benefit of the rear surrounds is there are blu-rays out encoded with 7.1 (rear surround).

I will tell you my experience of height speakers more in depth. When you hear them first hooked up you don't think they are doing very much. But when you remove them after listening to them, you find that you are missing something.

Also I am using the THX Dolby IIz setting on my 5008 and the Onkyo allows you to adjust the output on the heights. I haven't messed with Audyssey on my setup yet. I will when I get my wides.
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post #2384 of 8415
1/21/11 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by sdmfer View Post

Thanks for the info My room is 11.5' (w) x 26' (L) and about 7" high. I have about 9 feet of room behind the couch to the back wall, along this wall I have a desk/guitar station thing, I suppose I have room on this wall for the surround backs, but not sure if it will be worth it or not. I'd have to search ebay for the same NHT bookshelf speakers I have (to be consistent).

I would definately do the Highs and would urge you to do the Backs too. My room is only 16 feet deep and that gives me more than enough room for Surround L/R and Surround Backs(2)! I put the front Highs as high and as wide as possible, in the upper right and left corners of the room and what a huge difference they made. I tried front wides and they did not make as much difference for me as the front highs. Now that I have 9.2 and have heard what front Highs and Surround backs add I will never have fewer speakers no matter how small the room. I find that the definition the added speakers give to the sound stage, not necessarily the volume, is what really makes more of a difference. Go for broke!!
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post #2385 of 8415
1/21/11 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by Eldiablos View Post

While it is important to voice match your front speakers, your surrounds are not as important. For your setup, since you cannot properly place a set of front wides, by all means do the heights and surround backs. Just make sure your surround placement is similar to http://asia.cnet.com/digitalliving/t...13047-2,00.htm or you maybe disappointed with the sound. But with that receiver and the size of the room I say no problem doing front heights and surround rears. One benefit of the rear surrounds is there are blu-rays out encoded with 7.1 (rear surround).

I will tell you my experience of height speakers more in depth. When you hear them first hooked up you don't think they are doing very much. But when you remove them after listening to them, you find that you are missing something.

Also I am using the THX Dolby IIz setting on my 5008 and the Onkyo allows you to adjust the output on the heights. I haven't messed with Audyssey on my setup yet. I will when I get my wides.

one important note though in my case. I dont really watch blurays. All my movies are streamed from PC to Ps3 and are High Def .MKV format. So I think most of my sources are DTS (maybe some are DDTrue HD/DTS-MA etc) but I suspect most of my movies are not. Can I still make use of the surround backs? or should I forget about surround backs for now...(last question I promise for now)
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post #2386 of 8415
1/21/11 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by sdmfer View Post

one important note though in my case. I dont really watch blurays. All my movies are streamed from PC to Ps3 and are High Def .MKV format. So I think most of my sources are DTS (maybe some are DDTrue HD/DTS-MA etc) but I suspect most of my movies are not. Can I still make use of the surround backs? or should I forget about surround backs for now...(last question I promise for now)

You can add post processing (i.e. DPLIIx) etc to any source 2.0 or up..

So yes, you can still use them.
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post #2387 of 8415
1/21/11 at 9:59am
Just bought the 3008 from amazon..good deal $1149. Was $1300 yesterday.

Only 9 left.

Placed an order for the 1008 but they weren't in stock so I canceled it just now and bought the 3008
because of the price drop today.
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post #2388 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by Schuyler Bain View Post

There doesn't seem to be an Audyssey flat eq option on 3008/5008, so would the Manual eq mode be considered flat and also have Audyssey engaged?

I prefer Audyssey flat for music.


On Onkyos you cannot select "Audyssey FLAT". When you turn on Audyssey you are forced to use the "reference" curve.

The only way to engage FLAT is through a workaround using a THX listening mode. When THX modes are engaged, because they include their own high freq roll-off (RE-EQ) Audyssey automatically switches to FLAT mode (invisibly in the background) to avoid a "double roll-off" on the high freq's. They do not want the Audyssey "reference" roll-off to interfere with any processing that THX is doing, so any time you enter a THX mode it automatically engages Audyssey FLAT.

So the way to hear Audyssey FLAT with TV/movie content is to switch to a THX mode and then manually turn off THX RE-EQ.

With Music, the THX MUSIC mode does NOT apply RE-EQ (this is only intended for movie soundtracks) so THX MUSIC is the only "one step" way to get Audyssey FLAT.

You can see additional explanation from Audyssey here: http://ask.audyssey.com/entries/9346...re-interaction
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post #2389 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

You can add post processing (i.e. DPLIIx) etc to any source 2.0 or up..

So yes, you can still use them.

+1 That is what is so great about the 3008/5008 and all the listening modes that are available! I listen to all of my video and 90% of my stereo sources using Dolby Pro Logic II/IIx Movie/Music with Audeyssey DSX which up mixes 2, 3, 5 and 7 channel source material to 9 channels. Check out all the listening modes available on pages 40 - 45 of the manuel
http://filedepot.onkyousa.com/Files/...342e6a192d5a3f !
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post #2390 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Eldiablos View Post

I just got my front high speakers mounted. I love the added sound. The onkyo also allows you to migrate up the center channel so it comes out some from the heights.

This feature works a treat as my back seats are higher than my fronts and the dialogue can be heard much better at the back now.
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post #2391 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by sdmfer View Post

Cool. Quick question - are you running surround backs as well, or just 5.1 plus heights? Reason Im asking is Im THIS close to ordering a 3008, and currently have a 5.2 setup, but wondering if I should order 2 speakers as well for heights and 2 for surround backs Room too narrow/screen too big for wides

I believe you dont need the surround backs as in my opinion only movies recorded in 7.1 are adeal for them, otherwise you dont really notice them. Having said that when I listen to music in ALL CHANNEL STEREO they can be heard. Every room set-up will always sound different anyway. They are not noticeable as the Front highs, I just wanted to keep the surround backs since I already had them set up!
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1/21/11 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

My Highs make a much bigger difference for me than the wides to the point that I listen to the Highs with no Wides and both the Surrounds L/R and Surround Backs. Rock on with your bad self!

Will be the same as you then .... Great !!!
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post #2393 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by JamMasterJames View Post

Hey guys, what are the main differences between the 3008 and 5008? Also how are these 2 different from last years models? Lastly can someone PM me on what the best prices these go for? Id appreciate it!

Go back a few pages and start. There are many posts covering all these issues.
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post #2394 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:37am
Do you use the Onkyo remote ?

If not which remote do you use ?
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post #2395 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:38am
I received my 3008 a couple of days ago. Generally, I'm happy with it. The dialog sounds much better, and I'm noticing much more presence from my surround speakers.

One problem I'm having, however, is dialing in the bass response. I did what Audyssey recommended and set the level to 75 db before calibration. After the calibration was done, I felt there was no bass at all, so I started fiddling with the sub level on the onkyo as well as on the sub itself. It seems that I go from not enough bass to overpowering bass with just the slightest adjustment. With my old receiver, I felt I had the bass dialed in perfectly with little effort. Solid mid-bass slam and digging deep when needed. Now it's either boomy or non-existent and I can't seem to get the right balance. Is there anything else I should be looking at when trying to tweak this? I like the receiver, but this has been frustrating.

I have the latest firmware, so that shouldn't have an impact on this. Thanks.
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1/21/11 at 10:48am
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I received my 3008 a couple of days ago. Generally, I'm happy with it. The dialog sounds much better, and I'm noticing much more presence from my surround speakers.

One problem I'm having, however, is dialing in the bass response. I did what Audyssey recommended and set the level to 75 db before calibration. After the calibration was done, I felt there was no bass at all, so I started fiddling with the sub level on the onkyo as well as on the sub itself. It seems that I go from not enough bass to overpowering bass with just the slightest adjustment. With my old receiver, I felt I had the bass dialed in perfectly with little effort. Solid mid-bass slam and digging deep when needed. Now it's either boomy or non-existent and I can't seem to get the right balance. Is there anything else I should be looking at when trying to tweak this? I like the receiver, but this has been frustrating.

I have the latest firmware, so that shouldn't have an impact on this. Thanks.

A lot of people, the first time they hear flat bass, think they have *inadequate* bass. If you're used to hearing some humps in the FR this could be the problem - now they have gone, the bass seems lacking. Try listening for a week or so to the flat response and see if your ears adjust to the point where you like it. I felt the same when I installed my AS-EQ1, which does the same for the bass as MultEQ XT32 (which my 5007 doesn't have) but now I love it and would never go back. Be sure to use a disc with well-recorded bass for your listening tests - what I find is that my bass is now very tight and well controlled - sometimes it seems it may even be a little 'light' and then - POW! Some really deep bass from the soundtrack comes in and it hits me hard in the chest. And disappears as fast as it started - just the way it should.

Also, once you have run Audyssey, the best way to tweak the bass if you want it a little hotter is via the trim adjustments in the AVR, not the volume control on the sub itself. If you touch that you are upsetting the Audyssey correction you worked hard for when doing the setup.

Kind Regards,

Keith
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post #2397 of 8415
1/21/11 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

You can add post processing (i.e. DPLIIx) etc to any source 2.0 or up..

So yes, you can still use them.

awesome. thanks a lot everyone. I've read through the first 30 pages of this thread, and thought, well, I'll wait till I get the receiver to read the rest

Anyways, that being said, can everyone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop ordering them and save one for me!!! I wont be ready until I talk to the wife...

before you start on the wife thing, the only reason I have to talk to her is to ensure that she's not going to disappear on some stupid shopping spree again. LOL


ps - that being said, does anyone know the frequency amazon would get more in??
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1/21/11 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I am looking at the 3008 as a possible replacement for my 886. The 3008 has many features that the 886 does not one being the ability to use a sub in Direct and Pure audio modes.

On page 57 of the 3008/5008 manual it discusses the setting to enable the sub for Direct or Pure audio settings:

â– Analog
Subwoofer
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1/21/11 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

A lot of people, the first time they hear flat bass, think they have *inadequate* bass. If you're used to hearing some humps in the FR this could be the problem - now they have gone, the bass seems lacking. Try listening for a week or so to the flat response and see if your ears adjust to the point where you like it. I felt the same when I installed my AS-EQ1, which does the same for the bass as MultEQ XT32 (which my 5007 doesn't have) but now I love it and would never go back. Be sure to use a disc with well-recorded bass for your listening tests - what I find is that my bass is now very tight and well controlled - sometimes it seems it may even be a little 'light' and then - POW! Some really deep bass from the soundtrack comes in and it hits me hard in the chest. And disappears as fast as it started - just the way it should.

Also, once you have run Audyssey, the best way to tweak the bass if you want it a little hotter is via the trim adjustments in the AVR, not the volume control on the sub itself. If you touch that you are upsetting the Audyssey correction you worked hard for when doing the setup.

Kind Regards,

Keith

Thanks for the response, Keith. I guess I should re-run Audyssey since I've messed with both AVR adjustments as well as the sub itself. I'll then try some of my favorite bass-heavy scenes and see how it sounds. With my wife going out tonight, sounds like I have a good project for the evening.
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1/21/11 at 11:23am
Question about crossover settings after Audyssey setup: my speakers are Atlantic Technolgy System350 TXH Ultra. All the years prior to my new 3008 I used the usual THX crossovers of 80Hz. My sub is Earthquake Supernova MKV12". After Audyssey completed setup (I used 7 positions around the MLP with tripod in quiet room), my 3008 set crossovers to 120Hz for front mains, 70Hz for Center, and 150Hz for surrounds. I also have a pair of wides and highs (which are from different manufacturer, and those crossovers were 60 for wides and 100 for highs). Should I worry about having such a high crossovers on front mains and surrounds? Should I "trust" Audyssey that it's best to have them like this for the best possible sound, or should I manually switch them to 80Hz (THX)?

I should also note that I messed up on the initial Audyssey setup a bit - my sub phase was set to "-", so the distance to sub calculated was almost twice as long as the actual one (which makes sense). Could that also caused the weird crossover settings? I'm planning to rerun Audyssey setup again tonight with proper "+" phase on my sub...
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