New Onkyo TX-NR5008 & TX-NR3008 - Page 123

Yeah - 2m is close. The fans I bought are very quiet but they could be audible from 2m away in very quiet passages of movies, I think. Not sure and it's impossible for me to test it for you because of the way mine are arranged in the separate closet. It's possible to run them from the trigger but you'd have to use the Zone 2 or 3 trigger as there isn't a Zone 1 trigger on these AVRs for some reason best known to Onkyo. And if you use the Zone 2/3 trigger, you need to have some sort of programmable remote to turn on Zone 2/3 and off again when the amp goes on/off. I use that arrangement to turn on/off my Emo XPA-3 and it works fine. Not sure how you would use the trigger signal to power up the wall wart(s) but I do believe it can be done.

I do believe that these ultra-quiet PC 4 inch fans are quieter than the internal fans, so you would get a gain anyway, if you're finding the internal fans are switiching on.

Kind Regards,

Keith

Thanks Jimlely



Very true..whatever floats your boat.

I like the wine/food analogy .


As for me I want all my speakers timbre matched...that being said if any speakers are to be timbre matched it should be the front soundstage..Not crucial to have the surrounds timbre matched.

One thing I wouldn't do is mix brands but hey this hobby can get expensive so whatever you can get up and running is better than nothing.

Does it happen when you are watching a DVD or Blu-ray? If not, I suspect it's something dodgy in the audio stream from the TV station or the DVR.

Kind Regards,

Keith

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mjf,

Are you running your speakers fullrange or crossed over? If you have them fullrange that would put more of a load on the 3008's amps. If you have them crossed over at say 80Hz then the load on the amp is less as your sub would be handling the lower frequencies.


I used one of these fans for my Onkyo 805:

http://www.buyextras.com/evavcoblfanf.html

Even though I was using the 805 as a prepro it still got hot due to minimal height clearance (2.5") in my open rack. I liked this fan because it has a varible speed so on the lower speeds I could not hear it. Plus with the height clearance issue it would dissipate the heat out to the side and not straight up. I'm sure there ar better fans that move more air but for the cost it worked well and was quiet which was very important to me.

Bill

you acn also get everything here

http://www.coolerguys.com/cabinetcooling.html
fan power supply

http://www.coolerguys.com/840556029977.html

best place for fans here

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/120mmfans.html

sidewinders has all the wiring hook ups also just look around on the site

JimLely & Blue Rain - Just to be totally clear, I recommended Jamcast for *streaming* audio from a PC to the receiver. You don't need it if all you're doing is trying to play MP3 (etc) files off of your PC. That can be done a few different ways directly from the PC without any third party software. (In other words, DLNA support, etc.)

The type of thing Jamcast would be good for is, for example, Spotify (if you are out of the US). You can't play Spotify files on your receiver directly, but if you load up Spotify on your laptop you can use Jamcast to serve it to a virtual sound card which the receiver will be able to easily play.

most everyone who has a NEWLY bought unit that didn't need an firmware update is having no problems
SOO Yes it does matter & Yes It will calm his fear ..

if as U post you are not interested in this issue then why are you commenting in post about the issue ?
i'm listening !

william,

I'm glad to see all your toys are working to liking. I find it interesting that the higher end Arcam, Sherwood Newcastle, etc. for the most part focus on the performance and the $3K and under for the most part focus on how much they can put into the box.

My 5008 has worked without incident, but then again my needs are simple.


Willie

I did not decipher that from reading the last 20 pages or so, but if you've come to that conclusion then ok.


I only commented on your firmware suggestion, because do you really think a firmware update is going to alleviate his fears about his recent purchase of the 3008 after reading the last 20 pages or so? I was presently in the market or had just received a 3008 I would be skeptical.

I'm glad my 5008 is presently without issue.


Willie

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Blue Rain yesterday ===>
What I'm saying is the only problem that is coming up with this AVR is this snap pop thing via the net/usb .

I just find it strange that is what the update was for. Go read what the update was for on Onkyo website.

Maybe there's more to this update than they are willing to say.

Which one are you..1 -2-3-4 ?

I fall in Cat 4 .. AVR Birthday October 2010

1- Anyone Having this problem and Didn't have to do a manual update because AVR was already updated at the factory ?

2- Anyone Having this problem who Did do a manual update because their AVR didn't have the lastest update ?

3- Anyone Not Having this problem who Did do a manual update because their AVR didn't have the lastest update ?

4- Anyone Not having this problem and they Didn't have to do a manual update because AVR was already updated at the factory ? <====
............................................................ ...............
if the poster falls into category #4 then there is not much to worry about now if he's a #1 that could be a problem for him as he has no speakers
as he stated he didn't have his speakers yet & you don't need speakers to update the firmware

i was trying to help calm his fears as he just took delivery of his unit hours before he saw this thread & by recommending that he do a firmware update he could @ least might know right then what category he fell into.
Mostly it would be #4 if the AVR was up to date.
I myself would not sleep well not knowing that an AVR I just dumped a wad of cash had issues & it was just sitting in a box in my living room

most everyone who has this problem from what I have read & that is every page (I have followed this thread from day one ) is that this is a recent issue but not on brand new , recently MFG'ed units that have the latest firmware installed
We here in the last 20 pages or so have been trying to nail down the window of time that the issue affects.
i'm glad for you your units works fine as does mine .But this is the official thread for 3008 & 5008 soo if the pop/snap issue talk bothers you can just page down to the newer posts
there is a side thread that people are posting the S/n'# to
but new thread watchers should be aware of any issue with the units
As I was when I 1st got on here when they had a Big issue with Audyssey XT32 .. I waited to buy my unit until that issue was solved .. so we are just passing on valuable info about these AVR's

Hi,

Has anyone here gone from a TX-NR808 to either the 3008 or 5008. If so, how would you describe the sound difference, if any? In particuliar in 2 channel stereo or direct modes.

Thanks

I went from a 807 to a 5008 immense difference in SQ
more detailed,clarity,separation, depth , sense of realization of notes not heard before on music i've listened to a 1,000 times
the 5008 is a beast of an AVR that just amazes me each time i turn it on
& I've been impressed with 2 channel stereo, direct .THX music ,pure ...
i'm happy ..

For the most part, I could care less about how someone feels about posting over and over about problems with this receiver. If you do not like the posts, like a radio with a tuner, turn the channel. You have the ability to scroll past the posts that annoy you so greatly.

I personally will read the posts. I would like to know the problems associated with the receiver. And if it takes the same problem posted over and over by many different people so be it. See, I have a secret. I use my scroll wheel to get to something pertinent.

If the thread is flooded with a common problem, well, I hope Onkyo takes notice.

I have the pop snap problem. I would bet dollars against doughnuts that if you had the problem you would be interested in how many people, and what different flavors of the problem existed as compared to yours.

I just love the forum cops. Yeesh.

The Onkyo tech Support, Dan, very good opened a ticket on this issue. To get a firmware update we require more people to report this issue and ask for ticket to be lodged. Dan stated that a Jonathon Doyle Panasonic Support dealt with this same issue for 2009 Onkyo/Panasonic Handshake issues. I am in contact with Jonathon and he is looking into it to see if same issue applies to 2010 Onkyo/Panny.

So if anyone has these issues contact Onkyo, also if you have this setup and all is good please report to forum.

Thanks, will do.

This is neat! But I have a question. What is the other information presented with the temperature reading?

I've noticed the "V:>00" change quickly to other numbers. The other items that are displayed I have not seen change.

And regarding the posters concerned about heat and using additional fans to help exhaust the heat, I purchased two of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ef=oss_product
along with one of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ef=oss_product to use with one of those "smart power" surge protectors. I simply added some stick on foam pads so they would not directly rest on receiver and help with noise caused by vibration. They are only audible in a very quiet room or scene and even then aren't terribly noticeable. But, a fan controller can help with this. They are oriented to blow the hot air out the front of my media console, as the back is completely closed and they work great! Drops the the temp of the 3008 by ~15 degrees!

Another thing I would like to mention, is that I left my 3008 playing Pandora while leaving the apt this afternoon and has been playing for nearly six hours now and I have been listening for the past hour and a half on direct (which it has been on this whole time) and have not noticed any popping or static. Volume is at -30db right now. And to be honest, I think that the only time I have ever really heard them has been with my iPhone playing through the USB port. I need to test for a longer period of time using that connection to verify the level of severity.

Sorry I missed this post till now. For some reason, the notifications sent me ahead of the last post I'd read and I didn't realize I'd missed a bunch of posts (some with useful info like the "how to check the avr temp" post) until I saw a quote referencing some of these missed posts, so I went back and read the missed posts.

To get to this menu, turn the cable box and display/TV on. Make sure that the TV is receiving picture from the cable box, then from the front of the box, hit the Standby button then the Menu button. This should pop up that hidden menu. From there, you can use the remote to select the options you wish to change. After changing the settings, turn the power Off (standby) and then when you turn it back on, the settings should be in the new configuration. If that doesn't work, try looking online for the unit's manual.


Max

Well, you guys in the States can ...

Kind Regards,

Keith

Agree entirely. This is a thread about the 3008 and 5008. That's what the name of the thread says. It's not about some specific problem or some general problem or some particular aspect of these AVRs - it's about the AVRs, period. And this snap, crackle and pop thing is clearly an issue that affects these AVRs for some people. It doesn't affect me *at all* so I skim the posts about the issue, to at least learn something about a problem that affects other people, and like you, I then scroll on until the thread becomes more relevant to me. It seems to me to be extraordinarily selfish of users who are not affected by the SC&P issue to tell those who are to *stop posting*.

Kind Regards,

Keith

Agreed, also entirely.

Today I managed to exchange my 5008 for a new one (hooray!). Prices had dropped so I actually got money back. They only had 2 left in stock. Took the one with a completely different (probably newer) serial#. I still have to get it connected, so will give feedback asap.

"Power", "Standby", same difference. Everyone knew what I meant. I was really only re-posting what Bill Mac had posted earlier.

All 7 speakers are crossed over at 80Hz.

Thanks to everyone with suggestions and links to fans, if I do go ahead and buy some I'll have a look around at what is available in the UK.

The main thing I would need to do is run them off a 12v trigger, as a short cable up and over the Receiver will be fine and I am happy to use Zone 3 to control the power to them. If anyone can confirm how this can be done, it would be much appreciated. I presume it will just be a case of getting the right jack cable (mono or stereo?) and then working out which is positive and negative?

So after monitoring the temperature of my 3008 last night, I thought I would update with the following:

I watched about 30 minutes of a movie at -12dB and the temperature was steady at 38°C, in an ambient temperature of 20°C.

I increased the volume to -6dB and the temperature went up to 52°C within an hour, the ambient temperature at that point was 22°C. I continued at that volume for a while, but the temperature remained steady at 52°C.

The fans kicked in at 50°C and they switched off when it got back down to 45°C.

Damn the internet and this thread I recently cleaned out our attic from an underutilized play room to a mostly blank slate for a home theater now that the kids are getting older and don't use it enough anymore.

The space is a decent size at24 ft by 15 ft, but being an attic space, has very low and funny shaped ceilings. I originally was going to make do with a 9 nine year old Onkyo 797 that to my ears still sounded pretty good, but with no HDMI inputs I didn't want the hassle of reinventing the wheel with all sorts of cords and multiple inputs to a projector. I had all but settled on the Onkyo 608 but all this reading out Audyssey MultEQ and 9.1 got me hooked and then of course there is that Amazon low price with the big % discount staring me in the face. So, now I have a 3008 receiver coming my way early in the week. Thus, I love and hate internet research

I would like to try out DSX wides and highs. Problem is, my ceiling is only 7 feet high, and I'm not sure they will fit. Hopefully you can see the limitations in the photos. The wide channels do seem to fit ok as they are seen in one of the photos and are about 60% off the center line from the listening position. The 32 inch Toshiba is finding a new home and the twine outlines a 100 inch widescreen portable screen on the way. I still need to figure out my long-term speaker plans but I have a 6.1 Aperion 512 set-up hanging around from my pre-kid days that I'm ready to dust off and let breathe again.

A few questions that I imagine have been addressed but I still have a few more pages to read through in this thread.
1. Will DSX high channels work in this set-up?
2. If not, how about Dolby Z as they can probably be squeezed in above the bookshelfs near the ceiling? I imagine that cannot be run at the same time as DSX wides though.
3. Will the MultEq processing somehow find a way to make this odd space sound decent?

Many thanks to all those who have posted their experiences. Very entertaining reading so far.

As well as the heat issue I'm having, I've just found out my 3008 does the crackle/pop thing, so I am thinking about upgrading to the 5008 if I can.

Can anyone say if the 5008 runs a bit cooler than the 3008? I think I remember reading that the toroidal transformer should help it run a bit cooler.

My room is 22x15 and 8ft without the funny shaped ceilings. I use heights not the wides but that's just my preference.

Besides you can't use both heights and wides at the same time with rears.Have to give up one of them.

I would think in your case due the the shape of the ceiling you would
have to make sure the speakers are at the best height and aimed /angled correctly for the best result.

If I were you I would head over to the Audyssey thread which gets alot of traffic and copy/paste your post in that thread. Lots of info over there..be sure to post the pics again in that thread.

I'm sure the MultEq processing will work for your set-up and it will sound good but there are better set-ups out there and there are worst set-ups.

You already bought the 3008 and have this room.. so why not ?
Give it a go it can't hurt...I would.


Goodluck and lets us know how it goes when it's all done

That sucks ..how long have you owned the 3008 before the snap/pop showed up ?

Can't tell ya about the 5008 hopefully someone will chime in. I think I read that the toroidal transformer is
smaller than the 3008 transformer so I would think that it would run cooler ...don't take my word on that.. I'm just guessing smaller equals less heat.

I've had it just over 5 weeks. Originally it was going to be pretty much for movies only, until I tried a few music CD's the other day. I was very impressed with the sound quality, so want to start listening to more music. I was thinking of using the Receiver to stream music for a while until I can afford to add Sonos, but finding out that I have the crackle/pop issue is a bit of a blow.

I'm not sure if the toroidal transformer producing less heat is because of size. I thought maybe efficiency, but it could be both, I don't really know. I'll have to try and find it again. I suppose most people would not have had the chance to compare the heat difference between the 2, but if anyone has, can you please let me know?

Ouch.

I am presuming that the door is your only entry into the room. One question I would ask is, could you turn your plan 180 d's, and use the wall behind the chairs as your viewing point? I would not like to walk around your portable screen to enter/exit the room while immersed in the subject.

Yes, the chairs would be in the way upon entry, but walking around or through them (if far enough apart) with your equipment mounted where the CRT is may be an option.

Wides look like they would work if you decide on your current plan. The highs may work if you get a type that can swivel turned 90 d's toward the MLP.

Interesting issue you have here. Looking forward to what you finally come up with.

The 3008 will definitely fill that space with enough sound to rock your world.