Originally Posted by diamonddelts
No way in hell I would pay a high price for any of Onkyo's current flagship receiver's with their cute little engine that couldn't amp sections.
I think you are overestimating what many standalone amplifiers are capable of delivering. Sure for your lower cost AVR $200 to even the low $1k models, the amplifiers may not be ideal. But did you ever think that those lower cost amplifiers are using the same power supplies that that are being used in those AVRs that you quickly discount.
If your going to go with separates the only way to do it is to go with a single high current amplifier for each channel. And even then do you really think that you are gaining much. I have to laugh when I see snobbish audiophile bragging about all this power they have available and they you see them running 5 monoblocks plus their component through one power conditioner connected to a single 15A circuit.
In reality 10wpc channel can deliver a high SPL. All the extra power really does is give headroom for those dynamics that make listening an enjoyable experience.
The newer Onkyos tested lower because of certain settings in the unit and power limiting that would most likely not kick in during normal listening. Also those magazine reviews have to be taken with a grain of salt. They are basically high gloss ads for the companies that spend the most advertising.
I am sure other AVRs and amps for that matter look pretty bad with all channels driven and the 4-ohm setting engaged. Current limiting is the same for a standalone amp if they want a UL symbol.
I have a fairly decent sized room 12x25x7.5. My 1007 has no problem with delivering uncomfortable sound levels in a 7.1 setup with great dynamics.
See the Onkyo 1007. The newer Onkyos are dropping into lower power modes when not being driven hard (limited dynamic range recordings and lower listening levels). And again 68wpc... looks small but even a standalone 200w amp delivering a real 140w (amp companies overstate power capabilities also) would only deliver about in an additional 3dB of headroom or dynamics. IOW, it is going to be barely noticeable.
Unless you are trying to fill an auditorium with a large SPL... most AVR amps are more than adequate for our relatively small environments.