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post #2761 of 2966
Ionly knwo fo the Geffen HDMI detective stuff. Kind of pricey for what it does .
post #2762 of 2966
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Originally Posted by landonsdad View Post

OK, then would it hurt to have the adapter between the avr and the tv permanently. Would my cable 3d pass through Denon? I do see over/under image, from cable box, when passing through avr to tv.

Have you gotten this to work or at least tried it? I too have a Denon AVR, but am having issues running my cable box through the Denon AND through the adapter. I can run it through the Denon and then in to the TV and everything works great (even 3d if top/bottom or checkerboard). OR, I can run the cable box through the adapter and then in to the TV and everything works great (but of course lose the ability to play sound through the AVR). BUT, if I run it all together (cable box through Denon through adapter then in to TV) I cannot get video at all, and the audio just flashed on and off repeatedly.

My goal is similar to yours...I want me 3d adapter to be inline after my AVR so it can be the master switching device. The idea of having to run splitters, alternate audio, or other means seems crazy to me...as does manually changing HDMI connections depending on use (which is what I do now).
post #2763 of 2966
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Originally Posted by SJCoruja View Post


Have you gotten this to work or at least tried it? I too have a Denon AVR, but am having issues running my cable box through the Denon AND through the adapter. I can run it through the Denon and then in to the TV and everything works great (even 3d if top/bottom or checkerboard). OR, I can run the cable box through the adapter and then in to the TV and everything works great (but of course lose the ability to play sound through the AVR). BUT, if I run it all together (cable box through Denon through adapter then in to TV) I cannot get video at all, and the audio just flashed on and off repeatedly.

My goal is similar to yours...I want me 3d adapter to be inline after my AVR so it can be the master switching device. The idea of having to run splitters, alternate audio, or other means seems crazy to me...as does manually changing HDMI connections depending on use (which is what I do now).

This is how I have set up through Yamaha RX-V467 and working flawlessly.
post #2764 of 2966
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Originally Posted by Jamieb81 View Post

This is how I have set up through Yamaha RX-V467 and working flawlessly.

Also working fine from both HTPC and UVerse this way through my Yamaha RX-V863.
post #2765 of 2966
Hmmm...may I ask what type of cable box you are running? I found a few posts that say that Motorola boxes do not 'like' too many HDMI connections in the chain.

I should have also added this issue is just with my cable box...my xbox 360, for example, works just fine through Denon through adapter then to TV and the 3d works flawlessly.
post #2766 of 2966
I'm tunning a DirecTV HR24-200 (and have tried HR24-500 and HR23-700) and a PS3 via HDMI to a 3DC-1000 to a WD-73735 through a Denon AVR-891 without any problems.
post #2767 of 2966
Interesting. Direct TV is the one that states it won't work. Must not work with all AVR's aye?
post #2768 of 2966
The Denon AVR-891 is an HDMI 1.4 3D Compatible AVR. DirecTv's 3D programing should pass through an HDMI 1.4 AVR but will usually not pass through most older HDMI 1.3 and earlier receivers. DirecTv's 3D signal would actually pass through but DirecTv is using EDID restrictions that prevent non 3D AVRs from working.
post #2769 of 2966
I just got my Direct TV 3D going and the instructions say to make sure my Mistu 3D converter is before any AVR.

Not that it matters to me, my direct TV goes to the converter and then to the TV. I am using optical for audio.
post #2770 of 2966
Follow the Money; The Real Rreason Why Your AVR Doesn't Support DirecTV's 3D


By Ben Drawbaugh posted Sep 25th 2010 1:15PM

Follow this industry and you learn to accept that manufacturers are only motivated to add new features to new products, but when we first heard that DirecTV's 3D signal wouldn't let you pass frame compatible 3D through older AV receivers, we were scratching our heads. Sure the receiver never claimed to be 3D compatible, but the entire point of using frame compatible 3D instead of doubling the HD signal for 3D like Blu-ray is so the signal can be transmitted via existing HD equipment. So while DirecTV gets away with making minimal changes to its infrastructure, you have to replace just about everything you own. What was a mystery, is now crystal clear and of course its always about money, it isn't necessarily about DirecTV's money, this time. You see RealD owns the patent on frame compatible 3D formats like side by side, and if a display or receiver manufacturer wants its EDID on the list of supported devices, they have to pay for that right. So it isn't that DirecTV wants to prevent you from using your old receiver as much as it is about preventing those who don't license RealD's patents from being able to display 3D. Nice huh, but no one ever said it was about the customer.

http://hd.engadget.com/2010/09/25/fo...snt-support-d/

An interesting read for those of us who get frustrated with the new 3D standards.
post #2771 of 2966
What's the cheapest 3/4 in and 2 out hdmi splitter? Trying to search on here but its slow on my phone. Links would be nice thanks.
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Originally Posted by ajricaud View Post

Look here: http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...01&cp_id=10110

Do all those work with the 3D kit?
post #2774 of 2966
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Originally Posted by Slydragon View Post

Do all those work with the 3D kit?

Here's one that specifically does: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #2775 of 2966
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Originally Posted by Jamieb81 View Post

This is how I have set up through Yamaha RX-V467 and working flawlessly.

Yesterday, a friend was telling me that the version of the firmware in his Yamaha receiver was doing EDID spoofing.

That might explain why it is working flawlessly through the Yamaha...
post #2776 of 2966
Super nice feature to have in any HDMI switching device. I hope it becomes standard on all HDMI switching devices.
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What is the cheapest solution somebody has found to split the signal so that one tv input is just the signal and the signal run through the 3d box? I have the 65C9 and the box has been giving me issues. I've seen some attempts thrown out there but I was wondering if anybody has had success actually splitting the signal on the cheap
post #2778 of 2966
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Originally Posted by hgelpke View Post
What is the cheapest solution somebody has found to split the signal so that one tv input is just the signal and the signal run through the 3d box? I have the 65C9 and the box has been giving me issues. I've seen some attempts thrown out there but I was wondering if anybody has had success actually splitting the signal on the cheap
I haven't used one of these, but Monoprice is very reputable and good at issuing refunds if it doesn't work:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

If you want a little more capability, i.e. 4 in, 2 out matrix switcher, here is this one:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #2779 of 2966
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Originally Posted by ChrisHawks View Post

I was lucky and had to be in Vegas this week for business. I acquired the much anticipated Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D Starter Kit from an RC Willey store there.

I have played with the new toys for a day now. I will attempt to give a review of the components and the overall 3D effect with my home theater system, thus far.

My 3D system:
Mitsubishi WD-73737 73 DLP HDTV
DirecTV HR-24 500 Satellite DVR receiver
Panasonic DMP-BDT300 Bluray player
Mitsubishi 3DA-1 Converter box and remote
Mitsubishi IR emitter Model #SSG-2100ME/ZA
Mitsubishi Active shutter 3D glasses Model #SSG-2100MG/ZA

As many of you know, the Panasonic DMP-BDT300 Bluray player already does native checkerboard output, so this device required no converter box to interface with the TV.

The question I wanted first answered was this: The directions for connecting the 3DA-1 adaptor show the device needing conversion to checkerboard (in my case, the DirecTV receiver) connecting to the 3DA-1, and the 3DA-1 connecting to the TV. This makes obvious sense. BUT, then the instructions indicate that you should connect the IR emitter to the output on the 3DA-1. I thought this odd, because then only one device at a time could be made to function with the Mits glasses, requiring a HDMI 1.3 switcher for multiple devices, and all 3D device needing to loop through the adaptor. I only have one other 3D device, the Panny Bluray, and it does not need to go through the 3DA-1 for checkerboard. So I remembered the IR emitter port on the back of the TV set itself, and thought I would try connecting the IR emitter there, hoping for a more global solution. The upshot: This approach DOES work! So you won't have to be plugging and unplugging your IR emitter, or worry about getting a HDMI switcher if your Bluray player outputs checkerboard. Do note though, that for some reason, the TV may turn off the 3D mode, when you are switching between sources. After you have switched from Satellite or cable viewing to 3D DVD, verify that the TV is still in 3D mode (no reverse needed).

Let's get to the good stuff. The adaptor seems well constructed and sturdy with it's own remote. It's simple to connect one device at a time for checkerboard conversion to your HDTV. The kit even comes with an extra HDMI cable. Nice touch.

The IR Mits 3D glasses are wonderfully light weight. They also come with a nice microfiber cleaning cloth. I had previously owned some XPand X102s for 3D Bluray watching, and I'll tell you, the Mits glasses weigh half as much, and are very much more comfortable. I easily watched Coraline last nite without any nose fatigue. The Mits glasses themselves appear to be a clone of the Samsung SSG-2100AB glasses. And actually, I had borrowed a pair of the Samsung glasses from a friend, I can report to you that the Mits glasses are indeed IDENTICAL in every way and function to the Sammy 3D battery glasses. Upshot: Go get yourself the Samsung glasses on eBay and save yourself a bundle, until the Mits glasses drop in price. They are the same glasses!

Mits 3D glasses performance with the IR emitter. I played around with various locations for the emitter, on top of the set, to the lower corner, etc. There doesn't seem to be any difference where I locate the emitterit all works great! The glasses themselves, are faintly green tinted, and seem to work very well with the emitter. I did not discern any issues with connectivity as I moved around my home theater (my furthest seating is about 12 feet from the TV). At no point side to side, was there an issue either. The glasses don't display any noticeable flutter (detectable lens switching). Very easy on the eyes. Yes, they do cut down on light somewhat, but that's what is so great about a DLP displayit can be very bright if you want it to be.

The DirecTV receiver now allows unfettered access to the 3D channelsno issues. I watched part of a Peter Gabriel concertwonderful! Then I verfied that my pre-recorded DVR World Cup matches played without issues. I know what I'll be watching this weekend!!

On to 3D Bluray on the Panny DMP-BDT300 : Blurays look great with the Mits glasses. I viewed parts of Cloudy, M vs. A, and Coraline. All were lovely to behold on the system. Did I mention how comfortable the glasses were? Are they as sturdy as the Xpand's. No. Howeverlet's put it this way. Do you let anyone throw your eyeglasses around or abuse them. I doubt it. Just keep an eye on the kids with these and they'll be fine. If you can't control your little monsters, you'd better get the Xpands. Note about X102s and Mits IR glasses. I don't have access to the X102's any longer as I returned them due to their overall heaviness and uncomfortable design for me personally. However, I can verify that I did have to use the 3D REVERSE setting on my TV when using the XPands to get the display correct. So I can assume that you cannot mix the Xpands and Mits glasses during a single viewing, as the Mits glasses do not require the TV REVERSE setting for 3D viewing.

What else can I say? My verdict: Mitsubishi has a great product on it's hands. A very nice intro to 3D. Now if they can just get the kit and adapter into wide release, everyone will be happy! I know I am thoroughly satisfied with it.

Let me know if you have questions. I'll try to answer them!

---Chris

Chris,
I'm hoping you can help. I have the 3d adaptor and the Mits C9 series tv. Connected a ps3 through the adaptor to the tv for 3d. Thought I would upgrade to a 3d AV receiver (Pioneer), only to find that when I tried to watch reg tv that it did not give me video and only disrupted audio. The 3D kit shows a diagram that all signals 2d/3d can pass through the adaptor. Now I'm hearing from a tech that the HDCP is the problem and that you cannot pass 3D through a receiver. I have yet to update to the new Mits operating system, but I'm now hesitant. Your post did offer to help and I'm hoping you might have some ideas on how to have 3D pass through a AV receiver? Possibly 2 HMDI outputs or a splitter or ?
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So you have a tech telling you that 3D cannot pass through a 3D receiver? I'd find a new tech.

I feed both a HTPC (for blu-ray) and U-verse box through an older, non 3d labeled Yamaha RX, then throught the Mits adapter to a Mits TV. Both work just fine for both 2D and 3D.

Ned
post #2781 of 2966
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Originally Posted by NBuckmaster View Post
So you have a tech telling you that 3D cannot pass through a 3D receiver? I'd find a new tech.

I feed both a HTPC (for blu-ray) and U-verse box through an older, non 3d labeled Yamaha RX, then throught the Mits adapter to a Mits TV. Both work just fine for both 2D and 3D.

Ned
Many 3D sources will not allow two intermediates e.g. receiver and 3D adapter.
My comcast box won't output 3D through my 3D receiver and my 3D adapter.
post #2782 of 2966
Your receiver is not supplying the EDID for the adapter connected to it's output to the Comcast box connected to its input. The receiver's user manual may tell you had to correct this problem.
post #2783 of 2966
I'm lucky - my HD TIvo sends Comcast 3D through my non-3D Denon 3808 AVR without any issues.
post #2784 of 2966
Chris thanks for this info,could you help me with the direct tv buisness I cannot get the glasses to work once i have the direct tv #d programs up on the screen I have the exact tv you have all iget is the blurry picture and when i turn the glasses on nothing happens any help I would be grateful
post #2785 of 2966
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Originally Posted by joe gilmore View Post

Chris thanks for this info,could you help me with the direct tv buisness I cannot get the glasses to work once i have the direct tv #d programs up on the screen I have the exact tv you have all iget is the blurry picture and when i turn the glasses on nothing happens any help I would be grateful

Have you turned on 3D mode in the menu on the TV? I have the 73735 with 3DC-1000 and I've used a DIRECTV HR23 and HR24 and they both work. If you have a HR20 or H20 you'll need to get them swapped out since they don't support 3D.
post #2786 of 2966
Thanks for the questions Yes HR-24 and yes my TV has gaming and it is on and set to standard not reverse plugged HR-24 HDMI into mits 1000 adapter and the adapter into the tv picture comes up but glasses and tried different pair to be sure will not work and up pops on the screen[ put in 3D mode] i push the mode button nothing happens?
post #2787 of 2966
How many times did try pushing 3D mode?
And your TV is set to 3D(checkerboard mode)?
post #2788 of 2966
How did you get yours working and do you have the 9.03 update ?
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Anyone have a spare Mits emitter that you don't need...I'm
willing to pay if it's a reasonable price.

Thanks
post #2790 of 2966
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Originally Posted by Blue Rain View Post

Anyone have a spare Mits emitter that you don't need...I'm
willing to pay if it's a reasonable price.

Thanks


This should work:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20227738
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