AVS Official Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D Starter Pack Topic! - Page 12

OK, I did a side by side comparison with x102s. For optomas, I see no ghosting, no flutter at all, and only a little more attentuation than with x102s. What I do see is that the screen looks "better" with the optomas IMO. In comparison, with the x102s it is like a clear film is covering the lenses giving the screen a slight hazy appearance that I had not noticed until doing this direct comparison. Also, the optomas sync instantly, no flutter at all during sync and I never lost sync unless I looked away for more than 5 seconds, and this includes watching the grand canyon raft scene several times on the demo disc.

The bummer for the optomas, in addition to the minor negatives I listed in the earlier post, is that I still see the rainbows and they also require the REVERSE setting. So, I don't think the optomas will work with the Mits/Sammy glasses.

If you don't see rainbows with the x102s, chances are you won't see them with the optomas. So, If you plan to use only DLP Link glasses, give the optomas serious consideration. I got these for $90 shipped.

Bottom line: If I had to keep one or the other for myself, I'd keep the optomas, but I'd keep the x102s for my kids for better fit. However, I'm returning both the x102s and the optomas in hopes that the Mits glasses have no rainbows. For me, the rainbows have been the biggest negative of both pairs of DLP Link glasses and the rainbows are pretty much a deal breaker on the whole 3D concept because they are so distracting.

For the hell of it I put one set of glasses in front of the other face to face and looked through to see what the lenses look like during the darked out phase (at any given instant, left eye is blocked by one pair of glasses while right eye is blocked by the other pair of glasses). Doesn't completely block light, but dark enough to obscure perception of what is on the screen and apparently that is all it takes.

I was able to snag the 3DC-1000 from Vann's. Just got lucky the other day and saw they were in stock.

I should get it today and I'll let everyone know how it works with Comcast 3D.

I'll be running a Comcast Moto HD box, Xbox 360, Wii, PS3, and HomeDockHD through an Onky TX-SR605 to a Mits 73737.

Also coming is a Samsung starter kit coming with the two pairs of glasses and Monsters Vs. Aliens, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 3D Blu-Ray, and IMAX Grand Canyon 3D Blu-Ray (from Germany).

Now the big question I need help with is, if all this works post 1.3 reciever, do I need to buy the Panasonic DMP-BDT350 or 300, or will another 3D player work fine? I know I can wait for the September PS3 update...but patience is a virtue I lack. Not sure if I need the separate HDMI audio outputs of the Panny for my 1.3 receiver or if a Samsung or Sony will work fine??? I must have 7.1 sound. Is the firmware easy to load on the Sony? I noticed that some of the Samsung versions appear to have the option to make 2D movies 3D. Not sure if anyone has tried it, but I'd appreciate any input. Is the picture quality pretty standard from model to model, or is a certain model better?

Sorry for all the questions, I'll return the favor with input on what I find tomorrow.

Thanks,
Jeff

Let us know if it works.

I did a lot of reading about the Samsungs and thought the same as you. Some of their advertising info is misleading. After finding out more info. it apparently are the Samsung displays that have the ability to convert 2D to 3D, not the 3D players.
I also have a 1.3 receiver and not ready to buy another for many years. I wanted the best bang for the buck and felt the Panasonic 350 gives you the best in options for the money. Having the extra HDMI output allows you to use your receiver for audio rather than your display speakers. Also, it does have 7.1 output as well if need be which some other 3D players don't have. Panasonic has given good support for their other blu-ray players offering firmware updates to fix problems. I bought one that should be here tomorrow.

I have the Panny 300 and it is the perfect solution IMO. Since it outputs checkerboard, you don't need an adapter and can pass the audio and 3D video via the same HDMI output through your 1.3 receiver if you wish (which I do) or send 3D video directly to the TV via the main HDMI and audio to the receiver via the secondary HDMI (the latter being the solution for those with 1.4 TVs).

Another nice use of the dual HDMIs that I believe should be possible is that you can use 1 HDMI output for 3d video and the other HDMI output for 2D if you don't mind using 2 HDMI inputs for the same source. So, if you have a TV that won't automatically switch modes based on content, you can instead choose the HDMI input for 2D or the HDMI input for 3D depending upon whether your content is 2D or 3D and never have to mess with the 3D mode setting via the menu afte initial setup. Would be nice if DirecTV would provide the extra HDMI out in future receivers for the same reason.

of course the SSG-1000's you ordered work with the Samsung dlp set. as long as its a 3d set then it would. the SSG 1000's come with an emitter.
Bad news for you though, the MItz converter does not work with samsung tvs and your Samsung 3d bluray player wont either as it doesnt do checkerboard. You should have got the panasonic bdt350 as it does have an option for checkerboard and then you dont need any converter.

there is a converter for the samsung dlp but all it is is the mitz converter with some work around that they charge extra for so the converter for samsung dlps is kinda pricey.

I'm annoyed about that and not sure what to do other then to just suck it up and get that converter that works with samsung dlp for content not from the panny 3d bluray player that supports checkerboard but so far I dont have any content that needs the side by side to checkerboard conversion as sadly another agravation for me is having FIOS.

The worst thing about that is that I previously had Comcast and Directv both. that would have been great to have the 3d from both providers but Directv sucked in several ways including on demand and going out in weather. Comcast didnt have nearly as much HD as fios and i was sick of paying them for so many years as we had them to start and stupidly kept them when we had fios and then when we dropped fios for directv we kept comcast with one hd dvr box so once fios had the most hd again, i was happy to drop directv and comcast and have just fios.

now this with no 3d on fios. they are getting it by the fall or holiday season and claim the reason they are delayed is because they want to be the best provider of 3d to beat the others just like how they offer the most hd but i dont fully buy that story.

I dont know what i'm going to do about that but i dont think i can stand to swtich back to comcast or directv and have their ppl in my house so i may just wait it out. the thing with these dlps is that the 3d isn't full hd 1080p to each eye anyway so the new 3d sets are going to be better and not require a converter. I just can't do a lamp based dlp anymore so the LED dlp is the way to go and i love my 67" but may get the samsung 65" 3d led lcd .

meantime I really just want a second pair of 3d glasses to work with the dlp and the SSG1000's i have. It wasn't such a risk to get the SSG2100's considering i got them from best buy and returend when they didnt' work. the point here is that the SSG2100's are the same as the mitsu glasses so those wont work with the SSG1000 emitter either.

so what should someone with a samsung tv do? no use getting the mitz starter kit as it comes with a converter that wont work with samsung dlp. I just need the emitter and the 2 glasses and then i could sell my ssg 1000's which i'm sure ppl are looking for cus personally i would buy another pair of those and be done for now but can't find SSG1000 anywhere.

The samsung starter kit i dont think comes iwth an emitter so basically i need the emitter of the mitz starter kit and the 2 glasses and then have to sel the converter and my ssg1000's and then i can buy an individual pairs of Samsung SSG2100 that will work with the mitsu emitter as the glasses that come with it in the starter kit are the same as SSG2100 and sounds like even the emitter is samsung model

so why the hell dont they sell the emitter for ppl that bought the samsung version of the ssg2100.

Again i guess my best bet is to get the mitsu starer kit and then sell the converter and my ssg1000's. get the samsung converter (which is just mitsu with a hack that you overpay for so some ppl are trying to see how to do the work around themselves)

then for 2 more pairs i guess i could get the samsung starter kit which i thin just comes with 2 glasses and no emitter and MvA 3d booray.

good thing about that scenario is that id then have 4 pairs of glasses and an emitter i can use now and then those same 4 pairs would work with no emitter with the Samsung 65" led lcd.

so yeah unless i'm wrong on something there i think i just figured out my plan despite it requiring a bunch of buying and selling.

Is there any way to get the emitter that comes with the mitsu starter kit separately? thats all i need and then i could just buy 2 paris of the samsung branded ssg2100's to work with it but at $150 a pair, the starter kit prob has better value even if i have to sell the converter. ugh.

being an early adapter does suck and especially all this trouble for limited content and then having to switch tv provider only for fios to get 3d a few months later and me wanting to switch back, :/

you are incorrect in a few areas here. First off the Samsung HL67A760 LED DLP is no older then any mitsu dlps (plus those are all lamp based). Also there is an adapter to convert the signal for samsung tvs. its just the mitsu converter with a work around to defeat the thing Mitsu purposely and maliciously put in it to make it not work with samsung tvs.

As I have sad, the SSG1000 emitter does not seem to work with the SSG2100's. So my best bet seems to be to buy the Mitsu starter pack just for the 2 pair of glasses and emitter and then sell the adapter. Then I can get any individuallly sold pair (at best buy say) of Samsung SSG2100 and they will work with the emitter that comes with the mitz starter pack.

then I just have to get the converter made to work with samsung and sell the pair of SSG1000's (or i can try to find a second pair of SSG1000) but those are impossible to find anymore and i dont think they will work with new samsung 3d tv (which i'm porbably getting at some point) where as glasses in the mitsu starter pack (which are samsung ssg2100's) will work with new samsung 3d led lcd.

or if i can find someone selling the emitter separately from the mitsu starter pack of if mitsu starts selling that separately i could just get that and then purchase the ssg2100's separately.

so no i dont have to get glasses with dlp link that then wont work with new 3d tvs.

thankyou for properly explaining this better then I did for those that were misinformed.

Mits is now selling the emitter separately.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18907445

why wont the ps3 work without adapter? that is crap because the Avatar game for 360 (and I head same for ps3) worked fine on dlp tvs with no 3d update and no adapters nothing. I guess though its because the game itself had an option for checkerboard/dlp and I guess the 3d demo games that ps3 has now dont have any such option.

obviously though the option can be built into the software (game or movie) so it annoys me that you have to buy a 3d bluray player when clearly the player doenst' matter if 3d games worked on same player (in this case game console) with no updates or anything and on any tv (side by side 3d and dlp checkerboard).

So all the content/software (game or bluray movie)could technically play on any console or bluray player without needing an update or a whole new 3d bluray player but they purposely made 3d blurays require 3d bluray player. Also if a game can have the option to do checkerboard so could the bluray movie. they are just forcing ppl to buy new bluray players and tvs.

w00t! on second try got the site working and exactly what I was looking for with the emitter sold sep! now if my calculations are correct. I can just get that and then either the glasses from them or the samsung ssg2100's from anywhere separately, and then the converter with the workaround built in to work with samsung dlp.

instead of getting the glasses from mitsu separately for $165 plus tax shipping and handling you can just get the samsung ssg2100's from bb or wherever in store no shipping.

Quatre,

Thanks for relating your story here, I have problems as you pointed out, 2/3's of a setup to get 3D DVD action just doesn't get the job done does it?

I can tell you, I recently bought my new SSG-1000's from the UK, I just bought two pair because I didn't want to spend more money on something that might need changed out AGAIN! They were $ 80 a piece Canadian and that included rush Air Shipping so you aren't paying much for them at all. Another guy bought them rush to the US for less shipping so you would be looking at $ 70/US/each if you wanted more of the SSG-1000 glasses.

Just now, I checked with the Seller and he sold out quickly and he had 100's of pairs of them at the time. I might buy the Pani 300 or the 350 if I can find one at a good price. If you know where I can get one at the best price please let me know. I might bite the bullet and by the fix for Samsung as well just to get going as Rogers Cable has a preview channel in side by side 3D and they are showing sports shows with it on occasion.

Looks like we have to spend a bundle here to get going, still, like you, I'm not ready to buy another TV.

Thanks again for your great posts!

I'd be happy if they'd just let you enable 3d mode even if it doesn't think you have a 3d display (such as when you have a receiver in between the DVR and the display).

Friggin' idiots.

Just know that the emitter won't ship till mid August according to Mitsubishi, I tried to order one and the ship date was 8/17

Item Number Substitute For Description Quantity Expected Ship Date
789P011010 IR-EMITTER 1 8/17/2010

price you pay to save cash!!!!

Now perhaps mits will underpromise and over delivery.

It could be the Emitter data hasnt been updated and a couple crates are on the boat.

Darin, your wish may have been answered. I can view n3d today on a non-3D television. Could just be a glitch, but I can see the SBS signal just like I see on DIRECTV2PC.

That is the only channel so far that I can see. I heard a lot of grumblings from those with new Mits sets with SBS capabilities because apparently the DTV receivers were not recognizing those Mits sets as being SBS capable. Not sure if what I am seeing today is an attempt to appease those customers or just abnormal behavior by my receiver.

Interesting. I wonder if that has anything to do with this post. Though he said that last night. I tried tuning in a 3d show last night and it wouldn't let me. I'm assuming this just worked for you today? I'll have to try tonight. I HOPE they came to their senses.

I don't think I tried viewing a 3D channel last night, so I'm not sure when someone flipped the switch.

Thanks, that is not what i was hoping for. I assumed the adapter when not viewing 3d material would pass through whatever resolution it was receiving. One last thing if you would. If you remove the adapter from the chain and set the yamaha to 720p what resolution does your display say? Thanks.

Thats not to bad, should be about the time the next run of kits will be out.

Is it correct that the adapter will accept HDMI 1.4a formated 3D content and convert it to 1080p checkerboard format and if it it receiving standard HDMI 2D content it will not convert it but will trasmit it out untouched and If the adapter it is not turned on it can not process any input content nor ouput any content?

This is what i have illthreat testing. So far it seems if the adapter is powered off than no signal passes through at all. If the adapter is on everything passed through it 3d or not is upscaled to 1080p.

Also, this signal is apparently 1080i. I have 1080p active on the HR21 and have native resolution turned on, and the mits reports 1080i.

Is DirecTV only capable of 1080i SBS on satellite broadcasts? I don't have access to the 3D VOD channel yet so I can't test to see if it works yet and whether it is 1080p.

Also, previously recorded n3D shows still will not play. I cannot set anything current to record because my HR 21 will not let me record in-progress 3D content, only future content. However, setting the n3D future recording is no longer requires the selection of record it anyway twice, but the other channels still do.

Yet another reason why I hope future DTV receivers have two HDMI ports like the Panny 300/350, one to use for 2D and the other for 3D. The Mits brochure is borderline wrong, it does say 2D passthrough of the various resolutions with nothing about upscaling the output.

Wonder if the output is always set to 1080p/60? For those with a 24fps 2D source connected, that might mean no more 24fps to the TV when using the adapter.

I don't think it's so much about what they are capable of, it's just what it is. They can do 1080p (at a 24fps), but to the best of my knowledge, the only 24p content they have is on PPV/VOD. There shouldn't be any technical reason why they couldn't do SBS on 24p, but 24p is really only applicable to movie content. Most video content is either 1080i or 720p.

It is now 1080p. Same content being repeated as before when it was 1080i, so DTV may be playing around with the channel settings.

Ok, I came home for lunch (new puppies who haven't yet developed 10hr bladders), and I too can view n3D. I couldn't last night. However I still get the "TV not 3d capable" when trying cine3d or espn3d.

If cost is not an issue, get the Panasonic Blu Ray player. If you want to save some cash, get the Sony s470 for less than $170.00. It doesn’t do checkerboard, but you should be fine with the adapter. Not sure about your receiver issues though, because only the Panasonic has dual HDMI. My kit arrives on Monday so I will post my findings with the Sony Blu Ray player.

I dont have the adapter yet(comes in tomm) n i can see n3d SbS now, but the tv is showing 1080p for it.