Marantz SR5005 / Marantz SR6005 HDMI V1.4 ABT AV Receiver Owners' Thread - Page 3

Can someone explain to me the Marantz "sound"?

I am coming from a Harman Kardon and love the rich, warm sound of the HKs...

I have been told by quite a few people that the Denons do not have that same "warm" sound but are rather "thin" sounding...

I am looking into Marantz and wondering the same...

Hi everyone,

am contemplating picking up the Marantz SR5005 but I am confused by the user's manual. Page 74 shows that basically Direct (2channel) and Pure Direct (2channel) need to have the LFE+Main selected in order to use the subwoofer in 2.1 mode for stereo listening. Is this the case?

I would like to listen to SACDs with my subwoofer and front speakers in as pure a form as possible so I would want to turn off all processing except bass management and use a good crossover between my Revels and my subwoofer. I can do this now on my Pioneer (in Source Direct mode) but the quality difference between analog pure direct and analog/HDMI source direct is night and day in terms of quality. The pure direct analog feed sounds much better.

Any information greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

Anybody with an SR6005 who would like to review their unit?

I'm contemplating getting one.

Is anyone using the SR5005 with a Harmony 900 remote? The codes don't seem to be in the database yet.

Just got the SR5005 to use as a prepro.

This thing sounds very good with HT material. It is a noticeable improvement over the 3-year-old Denon receiver I had been using in the same capacity. I have the pre-outs connected to an Adcom GFA-7605. The sound is natural, open, and very detailed.

I have a separate fancy McCormick preamp for music, so I can't report how good it is in this role.

However, as a pre-pro I highly recommend it--a great buy for $799.

Hi Tom - which Denon were you using?

I was. Just get codes from another Marantz like SR5004.

avr-2807

I just got the 5005 a couple of days ago.Have been trying to run my universal player thru hdmi(pioneer dv48)I can only get stereo unless using one of the soundfields.I feel I'm being shortchanged wit super audio with this unit.
hopefully omeone hasd an answer.
they told me to run it on auto but still no multichannel.I've spoken with Marantz and pioneer and they both blame the other.I have all my setting correct on the player .

Make sure your player's display is set to 1080p If you wonder why read up on HDMI.

I changed the display ratio on the 5005 to 1080p.Still the same thing(stereo).Do I need to change it on the universal also? My player isn't BD but it does upscale.

Changed my setting on the player to 1080p and bingo.I have multi channel SA-CD thru HDMI without having to put it in a soundfield. Thanks for all the help unclemat.Was ready to toss in the towel.Even came up multichannel in on the reciever.Still have the pop of death when I turn it on.

Apologies if I'm taking the post in a different direction, but perhaps someone can clarify something for me on the SR5005.

The specs state the following power amplifier rated output for the front speakers:
100 W + 100 W (8 Ω, 20 Hz - 20 kHz with 0.08 % T.H.D.)
180 W + 180 W (6 Ω, 1 kHz with 10 % T.H.D.)

Am I to understand that 6 ohm speakers will result in 180 watt output and 10% distortion??? (I don't understand how the 1 kHz comes into play...) That seems pretty awful. I suppose the solution would be to buy 8 ohm speakers, but I was looking at the Monitor Audio RX6, and now I am terribly afraid to buy them considering they are rated for 40 - 125 watt power handling, and I can potentially be getting 10% THD.

...Can anyone comment, or perhaps suggest an alternative to look at?

those are giving you two points on a curve-- 1% THD and 10% THD. Those are generally measurements to give you "upper end numbers."

This being an Audio/Video Receiver, it has a volume control.. these specs simply indicate a measure of "how loud can it go" and "what kind of quality can I expect at that volume?"

10% THD is the accepted max amount of 'noise' by some (esp. the subwoofer industry). 1% is much better. 0.08% is much better still. So the above specs indicate pushing 100W per channel, there is no more than 0.08% THD (total harmonic distortion--- "noise") generated by the receiver itself across the entire standard audio spectrum (20Hz to 20,000Hz). That's pretty respectable for a receiver. lowering to a 6ohm load increases the power output but also increases the "noise" generated. But again, these are max numbers.

A much better question to ask is "what kind of listening do you plan on doing and in what kind of environment? Stereo (CDs, etc), multi-channel audio (DVD-A, SACD, etc), or home-theater (DVD, Bluray), etc? And lastly-- how loud do you plan to typically play it? (loud enough to fill the room [in which case, what is your room size WxDxH?], loud enough to annoy the neighbors, background music during social events, etc)"

Knowing how you plan to use the equipment goes a long way to ask if it is a good pick.

cheers,
..dane

Thanks for the response, Dane--helpful. To answer your questions... I'll be using it for a home theater set up (connected to an HTPC). I care more about how my music (pretty wide variety, including bit of jazz and ambiance music, decent amount of bluegrass, electronica, hiphop/R&B, rock, etc...) sounds than how my DVDs/Bluray sounds, since I don't really have the space for surround speakers and won't in the foreseeable future. My apt is about 14 deep (from couch to TV) and 25 wide, and I plan to listen to it mostly just to fill the room or lower, but occasionally to bug the neighbors (apt. neighbors, that is).

So I guess, given what I'm looking for, should I be concerned about 6 ohms upping the distortion? --Perhaps better to look for a decent set of 8 ohm speakers anyway?

ADDITION: One more thing to note, which is of concern: will using 6 ohm speakers only rated for 125 watt max (ie, the MA RX6s) damage my speakers over the long run, since they'll be running with 180 watts??

Hi Guys

I have the same questions as Pologuy and Kirche5.

I have a HK AVR 8500 (THX Ultra 2, 105 x 5) which was the top of the HK line when I bought it. (sold as 8000 in the US, I think). The receiver stopped functioning the other day. Anyway I had been thinking of upgrading. While my first preference would have been HK, only the 460 has HDMI 1.4 and the the 660 / 760 might get it later this year.

I have the Dynaudio Audience 82 as the fronts and a Dynaudio Center / Surrounds. These are 4 ohm speakers. Will the 7005 be able to drive these? The HK could easily drive them. Also will the HK 460 be able to drive them? It is 60 x 7 and also costs more than the 7005 here.

Thanks

ppr

IMHO, you'd be well served with a Marantz 7xxx series AVR for a setup like that. I would not worry about your 6ohm load at all. Remember-- they won't be running with 180 watts. ACTUAL wattage during normal listening volumes is well under 10 watts most of the time. It's only the musical peaks that drive it higher.

Another point to always remember is that it is only 0.003% of the time that "excessive power" busts a speaker. 99.997% of the time a speaker is damaged due to too much distortion. In other words, a MORE power amplifier will treat your speakers much better than a LOW power amplifier. Why? Because in a low power amplifier, you turn the volume up and you're increasing the THD (to the 10% range and beyond!). With a high power quality amplifier (like the Marantz AVR you're looking at) you turn the volume up and the THD stays low. It isn't until you get to a HIGH volume that the THD starts to increase.

You'll be fine.

One reviewer on audioreview.com indicated "contrary to what many have said, these speakers present a very easy load to an amplifier" -- if that's true, then the Marantz will be a no-brainer. It's a terrific amp. I have a SR7001. A few years older than the current 7005 being discussed, but an absolutely terrific performer nevertheless. Before that was a Marantz SR780, and before that was a Marantz Model 7 (tube pre) with a DynaKit ST-70 (tube amp). Marantz has been "high quality" for a few years now. There was a short stint in the 70's and 80's where IMO quality dropped off like a rock, but the last decade or more they have really come back strong.

cheers,
..dane

Thanks Dane

Anyway I will be using an external power amp for the front 2 speakers. I have an old Phase Linear 200 x 2. I will bi amp the center from one of the surround back channels. I got worried because somewhere else, it said that the Denon 3311 does 6 - 16 ohms, and I thought the 7005 is a similar amp. The 4311 apparently has a switch for 4 ohm speakers!

ppr

How does the HDMI switching work on the 5005 with the HDMI cable being 35' long?

i have issues right now with my 35' cable as hdmi display out. i don't know if it's the JVC HD250 projector or the Marantz SR5005. i haven't been able to test a shorter cable yet.

every once in a while when i turn off a device in the chain and turn it back on, the jvc never recognizes the input again until i mess with everything in the display chain.

Hmmm - that is the PJ I plan on getting early next year. Hope the answer is an easy one.

The link is broken on your site

Has anyone bought the 6005 yet? Weird I can't find anyone whose purchased it and can review it for us..I've been back and forth whether to get a denon 3311,which seems to have a number of problems..or get a marantz 6005,or stretch the budget and get a 7005. Some good advise would be much appreciated..

bump...anyone who has bought and used the 6005 please give a review...

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I'll be purchasing the 6005 this weekend and will post my thoughts after a thorough testing.

Just finished trying out a 5005, comparing it (in home) to the Yamaha 667 and Denon 3310. I found the sound of the 5005 considerably more pleasing (at least to my ears) than the others. The sound was fuller, louder, and vocals/dialogue much more clear. Two downsides to the 5005: (1) the user interface was a bit antiquated, and (2) television images seemed to contain a slight purple tinge, which I figured related to the lesser ABT chipset used. The specs on the 6005 would appear to overcome these factors.

That was my expectation--it was just a matter of calibration. But after four hours of tinkering with all the settings, and much to my surprise and displeasure, the sound of the 3310 just couldn't get anywhere near the 5005. Better connectivity, in my view, can never overcome inferior sound (as subjectively determined). We'll see how the 6005 works. I'll likely compare it to an Onkyo 808.

i just did a listen to the 6005 and the 3311 and there's a definative difference in sound...denon had "finer" treble in details, the 6005 had an almost tubelike clarity and warmth..