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post #661 of 763
Your current issue not withstanding (ie. volume changing on it's own), if the volume knob were responding correctly there's just no way you could hear something at -79db when the lowest setting is -80db with volume increasing to a maximum of +18db and the vast majority of owners likely need to get to at least -50db to even hear anything. Are you sure you're not talking about the "absolute" scale in which volume increases from 1-99 where "reference" volume is 81?
post #662 of 763
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Your current issue not withstanding (ie. volume changing on it's own), if the volume knob were responding correctly there's just no way you could hear something at -79db when the lowest setting is -80db with volume increasing to a maximum of +18db and the vast majority of owners likely need to get to at least -50db to even hear anything. Are you sure you're not talking about the "absolute" scale in which volume increases from 1-99 where "reference" volume is 81?


I do hear people sang at -79 where the lowest is -80. All I have to do is increase volume by 0.5 and I can hear sound. Maybe you refer to levels was set by after you run room correction.

I have modified the db by increasing it after I run room reconnection if that is what you referring too to be able to hear you have to increase the volume a lot.

This has never happen up until now.
post #663 of 763
I have owned the SR6005 for about 9 months now, it seems the audio is sometimes ahead of the video when watching blurays or directv. I contacted Marantz and asked them if there was a firmware available or if there was a way to check what firmware version I have, they were not helpful at all and would not provide me the information ( i am aware that any firmware updates need to be performed by an authorized service center). Does anyone know how to check the firmware version on the SR6005 and what the latest firmware versions resolve? Also, the video on directv only seems to sometimes distort slightly, not sure if this is directv or the receiver. I am running mediabridge and monster hdmi on all my connections.
post #664 of 763
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Originally Posted by smartwater View Post

I have owned the SR6005 for about 9 months now, it seems the audio is sometimes ahead of the video when watching blurays or directv.

You can use the "A.Delay" button (p. 59) on the remote to delay the audio to more closely match the video.
post #665 of 763
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You can use the "A.Delay" button (p. 59) on the remote to delay the audio to more closely match the video.

Thanks JDS.. does anyone have any info on the firmware question or possibly a web link?
post #666 of 763
Have the option to buy a SR5005 used for sub-$200. Wanting to replace an Onkyo SR-706 with this...

Good move? or no?

Also, what should I look for/test to make sure it has not been tampered with. I'm familiar with Onkyo and Denon warranty repair work...but not so much Marantz.

Thanks in advance.
Edited by aburwell213 - 9/17/12 at 6:57pm
post #667 of 763
Likley more of a lateral move at best. If purchased from an authorized refurb dealer, a 1 year warranty would apply.
post #668 of 763
Greetings, all. I have an issue that I haven't been able to figure out. Last Christmas, we picked up the Sony 55" HX729, and a Marantz SR5005 AVR. Nice setup on both counts. Haven't made the jump to satellite HD, as money has been tight, need to take out some trees, etc. Using Dish Network---happily I might add---for 12 years now, and will move to the Hopper system in the next couple of months.

Not sure if it's the TV, the AVR, the satellite receiver, or some combo of how they're setup and interact. I'm pretty sure I have the settings consistent between input settings, both for video and audio, but something is clearly amiss.

The AVR has a setting for SAT, which goes through HDMI, and TV, which goes through the coax, as it's setup right now.

Here's the issue:

If the input for the TV is TV, it goes through the coax, and the picture quality is noticeably better, but it doesn't go through the audio of the AVR correctly. It's noticeably quieter, and not as crisp, and isn't at full power, or full 5.1 mode. Again, I think I have the audio settings matching the way it is on HDMI.

If the input is set to HDMI, the audio is improved, but the picture quality suffers.

Not sure if all this will go away when we move to the Hopper system or not, when it all goes through HDMI.

I'm posting this to the HX729 thread as well. I used the Setup Guide that Outlaw Audio put together, as it was significantly more useful than the one provided by Marantz. I'm usually pretty handy with technical matters like these, but this has me kind of stumped.

If anyone has any thoughts or help, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks kindly in advance.

Doug
post #669 of 763
I guess I am not sure what is going on with your set up. You have HDMI going from the Satellite to the AVR for audio and Coax going from the Satellite to the TV for picture? Is that correct? I would just send the HDMI from the Satellite to the AVR and then HDMI from the AVR to the TV. That's how I have all my stuff hooked up. Everything goes to the AVR and then one HDMI cable up to the TV.
post #670 of 763
Can I use the Pre Amp outputs and the Speaker outputs at the same time ?
I recently purchased a used Marantz SR6005, I have not hooked it up yet. My intention was to use the Speaker outputs for a 7.1 home theater setup in one area of the family room, and use the Pre Amp outputs to drive a 2.1 or sometimes 4.1 setup with dedicated speakers for music in another part of the room. The Pre Amp outputs would drive the Main In on two vintage Marantz Amps, (170DC and 1122DC ) that I purchased in the late 70s and have recently brought back from retirement.

Unfortunately the manual for the Marantz SR6005 states,"• When an external power amp is connected to the PRE OUT terminal, do not connect speakers to the speaker terminals."

I'm not usually one to go against the manufacturer's recommendations, but aren't the Pre Amp outs and the Main In sections usually fairly high impedance and can easily withstand being split at least once with no ill affects ?

I have never noticed this kind of statement in the literature for any receiver before, Does anybody know why it would be specified this way ? A look back at the manual for the SR6004 could be interpreted to imply the same restriction, but is not explicit,"Be sure to connect each speaker to the corresponding external power amplifier."

I was really hoping to use this configuration, since I do not have room to add another power amp for the home theater area, and making room would add some serous WAF issues, ( that I would rather avoid). This family room system is my secondary system, I thought it would inherit units from my primary living room system, but that has not really worked out...
Edited by longrrr - 1/9/13 at 9:39am
post #671 of 763
Although the wording is confusing as noted in the manual, the intent is to indicate that you should not connect the speaker posts and the pre-outs to the same speaker. The configuration you suggest should be fine. smile.gif
post #672 of 763
Anyone know what the output voltage is for the Subwoofer pre-out? I checked the manual and the general specifications and couldn't find it. Should be between 1-2 Volts.
post #673 of 763
I'm looking to downgrade from an Onkyo NR1007 to a lower-end used AVR. At the same time, I'd like to ensure I can use the lower-end AVR as a pre-pro in the future.

Since the SR5005 doesn't have pre-outs for the HEIGHT channels, are its amps assignable if the main channels are offloaded to an external amp?

For example, would I be able to power the front three (LEFT MAIN / CENTER / RIGHT MAIN) with something like an Emotiva XPA-3 and then power SIDE SURROUNDS, BACK SURROUNDS, and HEIGHTS from the SR5005 (6 channels total powered by the AVR)?

Thanks in advance!
post #674 of 763
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hopkins View Post

Since the SR5005 doesn't have pre-outs for the HEIGHT channels, are its amps assignable if the main channels are offloaded to an external amp?

For example, would I be able to power the front three (LEFT MAIN / CENTER / RIGHT MAIN) with something like an Emotiva XPA-3 and then power SIDE SURROUNDS, BACK SURROUNDS, and HEIGHTS from the SR5005 (6 channels total powered by the AVR)?

Anyone? Thanks!
post #675 of 763
Sorry for the delay. As much as I try to keep up with all the D&M models, sometimes the older models go by the wayside so thanks for bumping the post.

The answer to your question is the configuration you are suggesting is not possible using the 5005. As noted in the image below, although the 5005 actually does have pre-outs for the FHL/FHR speakers, as it is only a 7.1 AVR, it can only pass a maximum of 7 channels of audio at a time (ie. you have the choice of using either the surround rear speakers OR the front height speakers but not both at the same time). For the configuration you suggest you would need to upgrade to a 9.1 AVR (eg. Denon 4311CI, 4520CI, AV8801).

post #676 of 763
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Sorry for the delay. As much as I try to keep up with all the D&M models, sometimes the older models go by the wayside so thanks for bumping the post.

The answer to your question is the configuration you are suggesting is not possible using the 5005. As noted in the image below, although the 5005 actually does have pre-outs for the FHL/FHR speakers, as it is only a 7.1 AVR, it can only pass a maximum of 7 channels of audio at a time (ie. you have the choice of using either the surround rear speakers OR the front height speakers but not both at the same time). For the configuration you suggest you would need to upgrade to a 9.1 AVR (eg. Denon 4311CI, 4520CI, AV8801).


So the 7 channel restriction is related to the processing, not just the number of amplifier channels onboard? So even with 2 or 3 channels of outboard amplification, the SR5005 can only drive 7 channels at a time? Thanks for the clarification!
post #677 of 763
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hopkins View Post

So the 7 channel restriction is related to the processing, not just the number of amplifier channels onboard? So even with 2 or 3 channels of outboard amplification, the SR5005 can only drive 7 channels at a time? Thanks for the clarification!

It doesn't have the physical connections on that back to support more than 7.1 channels, even if it could process more.
post #678 of 763
There are 9 sets of high-level speaker connections (FL, FR, C, SL, SR, SBL, SBR, HL, HR)... so 7.1 + Heights can be physically hooked up at the same time. Obviously there are only 7 channels to drive the speakers, so it's either 7.1 or 5.1 + Height IF you are using only the receiver's internal amps.

There are also 7.1 analog pre-outs. Here is how I am proposing everything be connected:

Front Left - Pre-out to Outboard Amp
Front Right - Pre-out to Outboard Amp
Center - Pre-out to Outboard Amp

Surround Left - High-level to Speaker
Surround Right - High-level to Speaker
Surround Back Left - High-level to Speaker
Surround Back Right - High-level to Speaker
Height Left - High-level to Speaker
Height Right - High-level to Speaker

With this configuration you would have the front 3 main speakers driven by an outboard amp (Emotiva XPA-3 for example) and 6 speakers (Surround, Surround Back, and Height) driven by the receiver's internal amps.

Is the processing capable of this and can the internal amps be assigned in this way?
Edited by Stephen Hopkins - 2/4/13 at 8:09am
post #679 of 763
Again, no. frown.gif
post #680 of 763
Sorry for pressing the question... just wanted to be clear as you seemed to be attributing it more to the lack of physical connections than processing capabilities.

Thanks for the clarification.
post #681 of 763
That was the other guy ... not me. wink.gif

The higher model 7005 has the capability to connect up to 11 speakers but still has the same max 7 speakers at once limitation as it's only a 7.1 AVR as well.

post #682 of 763
Just following up on my original post 668, re: disparity between audio and video, coax vs. HDMI.

Still haven't pulled the trigger on the Dish Hopper. I was going to run the coax from the satellite out to the Marantz SR5005 AVR instead of the coax in the back of the Sony. Surprisingly, there wasn't a coax input on the AVR. So I left it going into the back of the HX729.

The one change I made was the HDMI input from the AVR from port 1 to port 2 on the Sony.

Viola! (sic) Now, the audio and video quality are improved, and required no setup changes to the AVR settings.

Kind of weird, and there was something written on the HDMI 1 input on the Sony, as if it were intended for something specific. Don't recall what it was, and didn't look it up online or the manual. Regardless, it's working as it should now.

Thanks for your input, folks!

Doug
post #683 of 763
^^
On D&M AVRs, the coax inputs are generally to the left of the optical inputs ... in this case the 5005 having (2) of them ....




Also, most likely the HDMI1 on the Sony was reserved for an ARC (Audio Return Channel) connection to pass smart app audio (eg. Netflix) back to the AVR.
post #684 of 763
^^^ Thanks for the tips, jdsmoothie. I didn't see the coax in, but will look again. Must have missed them.

Still, it's overall behaving well now...certainly better than it was.

And yes, you're correct about the ARC on HDMI 1...suddenly, Netflix had no sound. I made sure the family could get NF through the DVD as well, but may fix things ultimately. Or just wait until we upgrade to the Hopper.
post #685 of 763
Note that the 5005 is ARC capable so if desired, you would be able to pass the Netflix audio from the TV back to the AVR over the HDMI cable that connects them by connecting the HDMI cable to the Sony HDMI (1) input and setting HDMI-CEC (ie. BraviaSync) on the TV to ON with audio set to external speakers and HDMI Control on the 5005 to ON as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_E5
post #686 of 763
Have a question regarding setting speaker levels manually. I would like to try setting the levels manually using test signals from the Disney WOW calibration disc rather than using the test signal from the AVR. Whenever I go into the speaker setup menu and choose manual, the dvd sound is disabled and I can only use the AVR test signal. I'm sure there must be a way to calibrate the sound levels from an external source but i sure can't figure it out. Anyone have any insight into what I might be doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Jim
post #687 of 763
Quick question:

I'm getting strange behavior now when trying to use the receiver to output analog audio when I turn off the television. If the TV is on, the audio is output correctly, but when I power the display off, the audio begins to come in and out and you can see the "ANA" flashing on the screen suggesting that it isn't getting a lock of the audio. If I reach around back and unplug the HDMI output cable, however, the audio plays properly. When I plug it back in things will work until I turn the TV back on then off.

Any thoughts?
post #688 of 763
Fairly common with some HDMI devices as you have broken the HDMI link. You may want to try placing an HDMI splitter/switch between the AVR and the TV.
post #689 of 763
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Originally Posted by jmg1949 View Post

Have a question regarding setting speaker levels manually. I would like to try setting the levels manually using test signals from the Disney WOW calibration disc rather than using the test signal from the AVR. Whenever I go into the speaker setup menu and choose manual, the dvd sound is disabled and I can only use the AVR test signal. I'm sure there must be a way to calibrate the sound levels from an external source but i sure can't figure it out. Anyone have any insight into what I might be doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Jim

One method (I don't know if it is best) is to NOT use the setup menu on the receiver. Just play the DVD test tones like you are playing a DVD.

Make a note of how far off each speaker is, in DB on your sound meter.

Then, open up the setup menu on the receiver and change each speaker the correct number of decibels.

Exit out of setup, and confirm with the WOW DVD that everything is correct.

(You may want to compare whether you get the same results with the disc versus the internal tones. You probably will, and then can use the internal tones in the future.)
post #690 of 763
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Originally Posted by jmg1949 View Post

Have a question regarding setting speaker levels manually. I would like to try setting the levels manually using test signals from the Disney WOW calibration disc rather than using the test signal from the AVR. Whenever I go into the speaker setup menu and choose manual, the dvd sound is disabled and I can only use the AVR test signal. I'm sure there must be a way to calibrate the sound levels from an external source but i sure can't figure it out. Anyone have any insight into what I might be doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Jim

Note that using the Audyssey mic with the usual AVR setup process should provide very accurate results.
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