The "Official" Onkyo TX-NR808 Thread - Page 51

Backlash...having a tad trouble using the same application. Any insight? What steps did you take to use the application?

I did a couple of things.
First, enable network control, then reserve an ip for the mac address of the receiver with your router, but leave dhcp enabled in the receiver. Then set ip in onkytroller and restart both.

No problems, even through a switch. Volume control is slow, but everything else is great. See pandora stations on the phone, etc.


One problem I have with the receiver is the remote stops controlling it. I load the home menu and then exit back to internet radio, and no response from the remote. Unless I cycle through net/usb back to internet radio. Very frustrating as this means music stops.

Also, anyone using an xbox 360 or mitsubishi hc4000 with this? I can't get the universal remote to find the right commands.

Hey JDaddy!. Now that you've got that new avr, I'd first try eliminating some of that redundant cabling. 1 hdmi from devices to 808. 1 hdmi from avr to tv input. 1 optical or hdmi from tv to avr. Try that & let us now the result. Good luck

I am having a syncing issue with my 808. This is my configuration:
- Optoma HD70 via HDMI
- PS3 via HDMI
- Verizon FIOS HD DVR (Motorola QIP6416-2) via HDMI
- XBOX360 via component (old one without HDMI port)

When I turn on devices to watch TV at first I am hearing audio, but when projector starts scanning through connections connection drops. If I switch input to AUX (every other input would probably do as well) and wait that projector syncs to it, then switching back does the trick. It syncs. Even more annoying issues is when I try to watch TV after playing XBOX. Only way to get it sync is to power off/on the receiver and then once again sync by switching first to AUX.

Is anyone else having similar issues? Any ideas how to go around them?

Your specific issues I have not experienced, but I have seen similar handshkaing and re-handshaking squirrelly behavior.

In general HDMI handshaking is a pain through an AVR if you turn on your display device(s) after your turn on the rest of the system: it confuses the source devices, becasue suddenly there is a new destination for the video data that has to be evaluated for compatibility via EDID data, and sometimes they get so confused they just stop communicating until the connection is fully reset by selecting a different source and then back again.

Is this a problem that has gotten worse over time for you, or are you simply experiencing these issues now for the first time due to new 808, new PJ, etc?

shinksma

I have had this issue since I got the 808.

Crap, I've spent a ton of time researching receivers and more or less decided on the 808 and then I saw that the 809 is coming soon(ish). http://www.schlauershoppen.de/en/hom...100000553.html

Now I'm back to being torn. Seems like the 4K upscaling is the main thing changed, am I missing anything major here?

Do any of you guys remember how long it took for the price to start dropping on the 808 after it came out?

From what that site is showing, I wouldn't bother with the 809. When it hits maybe you can get the 808 for even less, but what are they even doing between models?

I have a TX-NR808 I got at Amazon in early February 2011. It had the latest firmware installed.

It has worked great. Got a 42 inch TV. Zu Druids, Ohm Walsh, Playstation 3, Direct TV, CD transport and a DAC on it. It has a Beldin power conditioner.

I was happy.

Last night I turned it on to watch Direct TV and it started ticking.

Tried reset. All I got was a flash of the standby LED in time with the clicking when I depressed the buttons.

What happened?

Yes, same here. I want to return it because of syncing problems. For me, it's permanent. As long as the 808 is set to output to both projector and TV, I start having what you describe: sync always dropping. I need to alter the monitor out setting from main to sub EACH time I want to switch between TV and projector.
I bought this amp so my wife didn't need to deal with setting the proper output display but it just plainly doesn't work! I had the HDMI board changed once already.

Well, to be honest, it sounds like something major failed within the 808. What caused the failure? Who knows, could be a power glitch (conditioners aren't perfect), could be just a random hardware failure.

Have you checked your speaker connections? Maybe a stray strand of wire is causing a short on the terminals (strands sometimes migrate, so it might not have been a problem before and you "did nothing" yet still is happens).

Try disconnecting everything (except the power cord) and see if it still has problems - if so, you most certainly have a dead unit and should contact Onkyo Support for a repair/replacement.

shinksma

You don't mention where you live, but it sounds like you have one of the Euro/Australian models because you have the dual-HDMI outputs (yes, I'm a bit jealous) - also mentioned in your previous posts. Also based on those previous posts, you seem to have had a few glitches with that particular 808.

Honestly, based on the issues you've had, you just might have a bad/grumpy HDMI board for the Main HDMI output, and you should consider returning the unit or getting a replacement/repair.

If you want to troubleshoot and/or try some alternative configurations, you could get an HDMI splitter and use just one HDMI output - maybe the EDID data coming from both display devices is confusing the receiver when it arrives via two different HDMI inputs.

I can't remember whether your TV and PJ have the same resolution/fps capability. Are they both capable of 1080p24? Is either 3D capable?

Just trying to suggest possible reasons for the glitchiness. But yeah, you might want to consider getting it swapped out, your 808 might just be having issues.

shinksma

Note that the photo provided is of the 709.

The main differences, if the 809 follows the upgrades seen on the 709 and has the usual differences between 70x and 80x, will be that the 809 will have dual HDMI outputs and the 4K upscaling, and maybe a bump in power to 140 W/ch - other than that I suspect it will be identical to the 808 (aesthetics aside - the new x09 series looks more like a Yamaha now, IMHO, with the "normal" flat faceplate).

So I'm happy I got an 808 at a good price. I'll be annoyed if they drop another couple hundred...although that might be an opportunity to upgrade the other system...

shinksma

Thanks for the interest.

Checked all the connections. All look good. Used a VOM on the RCA connectors to look for shorts...nothing.

Took the unit in for warranty repair.

The bummer is it is 4-6 weeks I'll get it back. Hope its not a lemon.

Stay tuned.

Is there anything for the 808 for zone 2/3 that would be a nice in-wall controller?

I'd love to set up somewthing in my LR and deck but don't have an idea where to go. My last receiver used ABUS which I had figured out but never bought/implemented.

I figure something like the M-282 to power the zones, but don't know what speakers yet. I have B&W CCM817s in my HT, but that's overkill I think.

Or maybe one of the systems from these guys: http://www.htd.com/Products/Whole-House-Audio


ALSO: Need help guys! I have an Xbox Elite and I cannot get video or sound through anything but a crappy 1.2 compliant hdmi cable that came in my box of wheaties. The nice ones I got from Monoprice don't work, for this of my 1.2 HD-DVD player http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 Is this a receiver problem? The same cable works for a 1.4 Bluray player through the same receiver. For the HDDVD player I get a few flickers of horizontal green lines, and the Xbox totally ignores the cable's existence (doesn't show controller connected -> means no output connected)

How do I fix this? Does anyone know?

Has no one else had this problem?

Your symptoms are typical of a bad cable, but since the new cable works fine on another device, I would suspect the port on the XBox. And that by pure chance the old cable works OK with that port.

Maybe the Xbox HD DVD HDMI output port is somehow not built to spec (or has drifted off spec due to minor damage), and the newer cable simply isn't connecting, but the older cable by chance happens to work because it has more robust contacts or a slightly thicker plug wall that forces the contacts closer.

HDMI uses very small contacts, and if something isn't happy you can lose the signal easily. Try looking at the HDMI port on the XBox, and blow some compressed (clean) air in there to dislodge any dust or other contaminants.

Look at the physical construction of the two cables (through a magnifying glass or similar if needed) and see if you can spot any minor difference in them.

Dunno what else to suggest,

shinksma

Sounds like a problem with your Xbox to me. I have the exact same XBOX and I am using a 1.4 compliant cable with no issues whatsoever.

Can someone please shine some light on this...

I purchased the Wii component cables, but I have no idea how to properly hook them up to my 808?


Red/White/Green are plugged under GAME, but what about the remaining blue and red cable? Where do they go? Also, my picture is black and white?

Thanks!

I have the same setup.

The RED and WHITE are for audio. Connect those to the audio inputs under Game. The other three, RED, BLUE, GREEN, with the grey in the middle, are component video. Connect those to the Component Video input, either 1 or 2 is fine. The green cable carries Y, the blue cable carries PB and the red cable carries PR.

The go to your Game input setup and remove the hdmi input and add the component input.

I was going to delete my post (figured it out), but thanks for your input! I didn't realize I had to assign IN1 or IN2 (plus, I was too lazy to unplug the wires from the back).

Again, thx!

Shinksma, thanks for the help suggestions.
Yes, I have the dual HDMI outputs (I live in Singapore), that was the main reason I wanted to get this AVR so it's easy for my family to just turn on whichever screen they want to use and it would just work. Unfortunately, it doesn't.
I've returned it already once and they found nothing but changed the hdmi board. Same problems (sync and flashing blue line sometimes at the top right of the screen) appear.
I tried all the different settings regarding screen capabilities. When I bypass the 808, I have no problem and I really don't want to install a splitter, the 808 should do its job!
For the blinking blue lines, turning the video processor off fixes the issue... but again, it should just work.
Gosh, how I wish I stayed with Yamaha, their AVRs served me flawlessly for so many years...

It didn't work on a second xbox either. That makes one bluray that they work on, and three devices that they don't.

Isn't that becasue older recievers were solid state whereas they aren't today? uncertain

lol

I HOPE I'm being forgetful - but I could swear my 808 has been on a few times when I thought I had turned it off. Come home to find it "on", thinking - huh, ok. That's about the extent of it.

Pandaora has been an issue in this thread. I've recently read that Pandora will kick you off after 4 hours (?) of use if you aren't a member. I do not know if this is factual - since I haven't gone looking for the answer and I don't tend to have much issue with it when I do use it (don't listen to 4hrs worth when I do).

I'm not certain and I havent' attempted it - but Zones can only accomodate "analog" sources - thus, you cannot listen to Sirius/Pandora since they are not "analog" sources. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You're corrected. I listen to pandora in zone two all the time.

Cool. Thanks for correcting me.
What is all the talk about "analog" and "zones" then? Is that connected devices only? - giving the internet/network connection an exception to the rule?

Here's something I just found, (it states "stereo", ?):

"Playback of Different Audio Sources in Up to Three Rooms Onkyo tx-nr808
With Powered Zone 2, you can enjoy surround sound entertainment in the main room, while playing back a different stereo source in a second zone equipped with a pair of speakers. Alternatively, you can use the Zone 2 and Zone 3 pre-outs to send separate, unamplified audio signals to amplifiers (and speakers) in a second and third room. Naturally, you also have the option of distributing the same audio source to two or three zones simultaneously."

That's actually straightforward. The zone connections are pre-outs. Except that you can drop the main system down to 5.1 and use two speakers as powered zone 2, with zone 3 still a pre-out.

And you can pass analog sources to them.

Got it?

The 808 (and other similar Onkyos) doesn't have the capability to convert non-analog inputs like HDMI or optical S/PDIF to analog for the Zone 2/3 outputs. There is no technical limitation per se, just something Onkyo didn't design into their receivers, probably because it would require a duplicate set of decoders in order to provide 5.1/7.1 in the main zone but a proper downmix to 2.0 for Zone2/3.

However, because the Onkyo must do something with the Internet Radio services such as Pandora to play them in the main zone (i.e. convert them to analog for amplification), and those sources are 2-channel, then it will happily route the 2-ch analog audio to the other zones.

That assumes that Internet radio sources are always two-channel. I make that assumption based on the manual stating that the 808 supports 2-channel audio only from Windows Media player, and because I am not familiar with any Internet Radio source that is more than two-channel.


All that is saying is that Zone 2 and 3 are supported for line-level outputs (the RCA analog outs, for whcih you would need a separate amplifier and speakers), which can have different sources from each other and from the main zone, but don't have to be different sources - you can have the same source blasting throughout all three zones. And also that Zone 2 supports an amplified signal (speaker-level outputs) connected directly to a set of speakers (no extra amplifer required). Zone 3 does not have powered speaker-level outputs.

All references are to "stereo" because the signal can only be 2-channel, not 5.1 or 2.1 or 3.1 or anything like that. "Stereo audio" is the technical term for 2-channel audio presented to attempt to re-create a continuous soundstage from left-to-right. Much like stereoscopic video is 2-channel video (left eye, right eye) that is used to create an image that attempts to re-create the 3-D visual environment.

shinksma