Nvidia GeForce GTX 460(GF104 GPU) supports full audio bitstreaming - Page 45

Thanks for the quick response. Read RGB 4:4:4 as RGB Full and RGB 4:2:2 as RGB Limited then. The broken Pixel Format menu of CCC (ATI's control panel) refers to the non-subsampled versions of YCC and RGB as 4:4:4, so I'm just quoting them.



I'm not really concerned about video content which I know is of lesser color, but desktop and game content. There's a very obvious difference between RGB Limited and RGB Full when on the desktop or playing a PC game. If you want to see ATI's broken HDMI color in action, check out these photos of my display taken of a test pattern of vertical red lines. The first is with an HDMI to HDMI connection (subsampled no matter what the pixel format setting), the second with a DVI to HDMI connection using the DVI port of my 5850:

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8782/failed444.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5999/proper444.jpg

It's very noticeable for PC content :/

Anyway, thanks, looks like I'll be jumping ship soon.

Thanks! Let's hope it doesn't break anything. I've had some good luck with the last beta driver. Let's just hope this either maintains the status quo or improves things.

It seems my 460 silent stream problem has been cured after uninstalling the leaked Win 7 SP1 RTM and installed the new 266.58 WHQL drivers released this morning.

RTM doesn't seem ready.

Do you know whether it was SP1, the driver, or the combination?
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Axel

Removing the leaked SP1 did not fix the problem.
Installing the new driver did the trick.
Although I am not sure why the problem reappeared in the first place.

I'm running those drivers as well, and everything seems fine. I didn't particularly pay attention to the silent stream problem, though.

3D playback is broken in the new drivers...

At least for me...

After re-calibrating the TV with the new driver, the TV resolution went back to 720p instead of 1080p...

Both TMT5 and PDVD10 freeze when I tried 3D play back...

I rolled back to 260.99 and all is back to normal...

Dynamic range and pixel format settings don't seem to work for me with the latest release drivers or the previous betas.

TBH the PF setting i.e. RGB/YC has always been problematic for me. It either does nothing or turns the screen pink depending on driver versions.

Anyone else noticed either of these problems? At least with the latest drivers whatever is being sent by default gives me correct levels for both desktop and videos (on my system anyway).

More testing needed but as usual any feedback from other sources would be helpful.

Cheers

Wo0zy

When I first got my 450 and hooked it up to my pio 820-k I got green when I tried to switch away from RGB. In a later driver, that seemed to be fixed. I didn't try it with the last beta that I still have installed. I haven't yet had time to upgrade to the release driver. Been dealing with family issues, unfortunately, so, this week has been bad for time. I was hoping to get to that later today. I can try switching it and see what happens. I've been running it on RGB and it's been behaving so I haven't wanted to mess with it too much. Even 24Hz was working in the latest beta.

Hi there, i think i read the "guide to build a HD HTPC" too quickly and skip the part where it says that the 460 LPCM/HD bit streamed audio is not yet supported by the driver.

So, i'm coming from a ATI 4550 and i just bought a msi 460 gtx and i'm using TMT3. The 460 is connected to a Marantz 6005 HDMI receiver and the receiver to a 720p TV.

I get Dolby and DTS core, but cannot get TrueHD or DTS HD to light up on my receiver.

I've search this thread ans read almost all pages but, is there a driver that will pass TrueHD or DTS HD using this card?

I used the latest driver (no beta here) from Nvidia.

I also have TMT5 but not yet installed.

Will nvidia and TMT will ever resolve this problem?

Thx to everyone.

260.99 works for me with a 430 and 450. You did setup in playback devices?

Hi, yes i went into devices playback and set it to output 7.1 and 24 kz (or something like that, i'm at work right now and cannot say exactly)

I see the marantz in the device playback as well.

I remember seeing Multichannel lights up on my receiver but no TrueHD or DTS HD.

As for the driver, i used the latest on nvidia site.

Any other driver i should install, like realtek (remember seeing that a while ago for an ATI card)

No Realtek, just check for supported formats. Also an HD resolution should be sent to your AVR. I'd try 260.99 for now if you don't have that.

Didn't break it for me.
Just watched the Samsung 3D DEMO VIDEO in PowerDVD 10 with no problems.

Ok, i'll give it another try.

I remember seeing both HD format...TrueHD and DTS HD in device playback.

thx

I had to use one of tulli's EDID overwrite *.inf to get the HD audio formats (and to resolve severe handshake problems) for my setup.
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Axel

Can you provide more details, where can i get that?

Here 'ya go.

While it says ATI, it helped with my NVidia problem, too.
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Axel

Thx.

In the playback device, should i select 24 bits 48000hz, 24 bits 96000hz or 24bits 192000hz?

Upgrade TMT 3 to 3.0.1.185 and install this hot-fix from Arcsoft.

Works like a charm. Using the hot fix solve my problem....now i see...TrueHD

Thanks again!

Thanks Samuri.

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Hope you get things sorted soon!

Would love to hear your results when you get a chance to test but family first obviously.

All the best.

Wo0zy

Family issues are unfortunately dealt with. Not a favorable outcome for all members of my family, but, sometimes we suffer the consequences of our actions whether we want to or not. Anyway, I didn't get a chance to upgrade yet. Was busy with work today. (Always something! ) I'll try again for tomorrow and see what happens.

When I first posted in this thread, I was about to sell my 5850 and get a GTX 460. Now I believe this wouldn't solve my problem.

I've done a bit more digging around about the YCbCr 4:4:4/Full RGB chroma + HDMI audio issue AMD cards from the 5xxx/6xxx series all experience, and after speaking to a few GTX 460 users, I now believe it also afflicts GTX 440/450/460/570/580 cards--basically, every card on the market with an HD audio codec onboard capable of transmitting 8-channel PCM or bitstreaming.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, when the HDMI port of a Radeon 5xxx/6xxx card is used to output video + audio (this means a true HDMI to HDMI connection, not an HDMI to DVI connection), the chroma is subsampled to YCbCr 4:2:2 or RGB Limited. For PC users with Full RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4 displays, this means the picture quality is being heavily downgraded.

If you have a GTX 460 or similar card with onboard audio codec and are connected to your Full RGB/YCbCr 4:4:4 display from your video card's HDMI port, either directly or through an AVR, via a pure HDMI connection with HDMI audio enabled, please check out this test image:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1287963155

If the words "Red" and "Magenta" are blurry and you have a Full RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4 capable display, your chroma is being subsampled by your video card. Though the chart is fine-tuned to Full RGB, the text will also display clearly for YCbCr 4:4:4 TVs. Please let me know if you experience this problem by posting in this thread with your card type and full signal path description. If you have a typical TV that doesn't support 4:4:4 pixel formats, your chroma will be subsampled regardless. It may not matter for those of you who just watch movies on your HTPC, but it will matter for those of you who use your display for desktop use and gaming.

If you're unsure of if your TV supports Full RGB/YCbCr 4:4:4 chroma or not, here's a partial list of some models that have been tested and are known to reproduce color properly:

* Samsung LN40C630 in PC mode
* Sharp LC-40D68UT
* Sharp PN-E521
* RCA 40LA45RQ
* LG 32LD450
* LG 37LD450
* LG 42LD450
* LG MS203CCBA
* Sony KDL-40EX503 in Game mode
* Sony KDL-40EX503U in Game mode
* Sony KDL-46EX505 in Game mode
* Sony GXDL52H1
* Viewsonic CD5230
* Viewsonic CD5233
* Samsung 550DX
* Samsung 550EX
* NEC S521
* NEC S551
* NEC P551

Note that some of these displays may still require different modes (Game mode, PC mode) not noted above. I haven't tested them all, but the data has been collected from various AVS threads. Most, if not all, decent PC monitors will produce Full RGB.

All of the cards noted above will produce Full RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4 via their DVI ports.

Thanks for testing!

There are already many reviews. AnandTech, no mention of audio, but HD audio bitstreaming should be supported, unlike GTX 570/580, as GF114 (GTX 560) is GF104 (GTX 460) with all units active (and higher clock).

Judging from the spec sheet, I am afraid, very afraid for the worst.

From GTX 460 Features:
HDMI 1.4a Support*****
Fully integrated support for HDMI 1.4a including GPU accelerated Blu-ray 3D4 support, xvYCC, deep color, and 7.1 digital surround sound including Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. Upgrade your GPU to full 3D capability with NVIDIA 3DTV Play software, enabling 3D gaming, picture viewing and 3D web video streaming. See www.nvidia.com/3dtv for more details.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product...tx-460-us.html

From the new GTX 560 Features:
HDMI 1.4a Support5
Support for HDMI 1.4a including GPU accelerated Blu-ray 3D support, x.v.Color, HDMI Deep Color, and 7.1 digital surround sound.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product...-560ti-us.html

UPDATE:
Neoseeker says YES!!
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha..._560_Ti/2.html
"The I/O ports on the GTX 560 Ti are the same as those found on the other 500 series reference models. The available options consist of two dual-link DVI outputs and a single mini-HDMI connector. Through the DVI ports the video card supports resolutions up to 2560x1600 pixels, as well as NVIDIA 3D Vision technology. 3D Surround is supported, but dual graphics cards are needed to use this function. The HDMI port utilizes the 1.4a standard which features bitstreaming support for Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master audio."

So does Overclockers Club.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...asus_gtx560ti/
"Connectivity comes in the form of two Dual Link DVI ports and a single mini HDMI port that offers Bitstreaming support for Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio. "

Guru3D
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...60-ti-review/2
"All cards deriving and based on this GPU will be based on a dual or even triple-slot cooling design based on what the AIB/AIC partners prefer and come with two dual-link DVI and a mini-HDMI connector. HDMI will again pass sound through, including bit streaming support for Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master. "

HEXUS.net
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=28597&page=2
"NVIDIA appeases the HTPC-lovin' enthusiast by endowing this card with bitstreaming support for Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master audio over HDMI - just like the GTX 460."

It looks like GeForce GT 440 - OEM (GF106-based [the same as GTS 450], CUDA cores 144; core 594MHz, DDR3) is released in the retail market on February 1 (source).

CUDA cores:

- GT 430: 96
- GT 440: 96
- GT 440 OEM: 144
- GTS 450: 192

It looks like GT 440 retail is a higher-clocked version of GT 430.

Do I have to have NVIDIA 3dtv play software to be able to watch 3d blurays on my Htpc with gtx 460 and 3d tv and tmt5? If not why would I need or use it for?

No. I asked NVIDIA the same question, never got a satisfactory response