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post #1111 of 4754
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Originally Posted by kenking View Post

Boy that sure sounds like you're talking about a totally different TV set altogether...or a defective one. Haven't seen any effects even close to what you describe in the 5 or so weeks i've been watching / evaluating mine. Nice sharp pic under almost all conditions-- DirecTv DVR, Netflix streaming, SD and blu-ray discs; especially the blacks don't crush as much as on my 4-year-old Mits dlp.

The one thing that does bother me a little is, faces tend go yellow quite a bit. Set Tint to about a -6 to counteract it, and that's with the color temp set to "cool". They still get a litte yellow, but generally more balanced overall at that setting. If i put it much farther than that, makes everybody look like they're blushing. The Mitz's faces are slightly better, more realistic. But when doing the tweaking, the Vizio isn't far behind.

I agree on the first part. My experience has been excellent with this TV across the board.

On the faces.......I'm using the Cnet settings plus low motion control........I have seen what you are talking about......but it changes depending upon the source.....what is being broadcast.

For example......CBS.......I watched Survivor this week and the picture was just awesome. Color was spot on and faces were perfectly natural.

I can then switch to another channel or program and the picture will not be as sharp and faces will have a pastey look to them........I really think it's not the TV's fault. CSI Miami for example......that show tends towards exagerrated colors anyway and that doesn't help the normal look at all.

I think it's what is being broadcast. Just my .02.
post #1112 of 4754
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I watched the show Undercovers tonight that was saved on my DVR. The smart dimming really makes some bad decisions on how much to light up the zones. I found a lot of the darker scenes to have almost cloud like areas on peoples faces, hands, etc. It wasn't just around the object but kind of over it. Much like Chuck on Monday night. I wonder if this is something that can be corrected via a firmware update. It's as if it's giving areas too much backlight.

I agree. I just switched to an LG 55LD520 from the XVT553 and the image is much more uniform and there is no blooming or aura around dark scenes. This set has no widgets or internet connectivity and is very responsive and the PQ is outstanding. I think a well calibrated CCFL set still rivals LED back-lit sets.
post #1113 of 4754
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Originally Posted by sanman_76 View Post

I agree. I just switched to an LG 55LD520 from the XVT553 and the image is much more uniform and there is no blooming or aura around dark scenes. This set has no widgets or internet connectivity and is very responsive and the PQ is outstanding. I think a well calibrated CCFL set still rivals LED back-lit sets.

I'll have to give the LG a look. I know that the same content on my 52B750 doesn't have the issues the XVT533 does. I contacted Vizio tech support last night and reported the issues. Of course the tech wasn't able to offer much help and was going to pass my concerns over to management. I asked them to feel free to call me if they wanted to test some things out.
post #1114 of 4754
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Originally Posted by kenking View Post

Boy that sure sounds like you're talking about a totally different TV set altogether...or a defective one. Haven't seen any effects even close to what you describe in the 5 or so weeks i've been watching / evaluating mine. Nice sharp pic under almost all conditions-- DirecTv DVR, Netflix streaming, SD and blu-ray discs; especially the blacks don't crush as much as on my 4-year-old Mitsubishi DLP.

The one thing that does bother me a little is, faces tend to go yellow quite a bit. Set Tint to about a -6 to counteract it, and that's with the color temp set to "cool". They still get a little yellow, but generally more balanced overall at that setting. If i put it much farther than that, makes everybody look like they're blushing. The Mits's faces are slightly better, more realistic. But when doing the tweaking, the Vizio isn't far behind.

I'm known to be very critical of sets. I really look over every detail of the set and I've noticed this issue where if the scene is dark that certain areas are over lit by the local dimming feature. It's as if it sees a bright object in the general area and overcompensates for it. It's something that probably could be fixed via a firmware update.
post #1115 of 4754
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I'm known to be very critical of sets. I really look over every detail of the set and I've noticed this issue where if the scene is dark that certain areas are over lit by the local dimming feature. It's as if it sees a bright object in the general area and overcompensates for it. It's something that probably could be fixed via a firmware update.

True. Another thing I thought of is viewing distance. I am pretty close to my set. About 8 feet. If I were to move it back to 15 feet I am sure I would not notice as much. I would have lived with the blooming though, it was the sluggish buggy behavior and the pink spot on the screen that really made me return the set. It was a very difficult decision though as the 553 is an amazing TV. It just is not ready for prime time IMHO.
post #1116 of 4754
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Originally Posted by sanman_76 View Post

True. Another thing I thought of is viewing distance. I am pretty close to my set. About 8 feet. If I were to move it back to 15 feet I am sure I would not notice as much. I would have lived with the blooming though, it was the sluggish buggy behavior and the pink spot on the screen that really made me return the set. It was a very difficult decision though as the 553 is an amazing TV. It just is not ready for prime time IMHO.

I'm even worse only being about seven feet from the TV. Being that close tends to make everything stand out. I'm pretty sure if I backed off a little it would have made things better. One thing I can say is the haven't had any smell or RVR issues so far. The TV seems to be solid from a build quality stand point.
post #1117 of 4754
I'm sorry, but I don't agree at all with the comment that this TV "is not ready for prime time".

The set has worked great for me and I'm also very critical when it comes to PQ or I would not have bought it.

If you have pink blotches or constant RVR issues and can't pinpoint it to something else in your equipment chain, then it's time to either exchange the set or buy another.

As to blooming......which is what some of you here are referring to I believe when you mention blotches in dark areas in conjunction with lighted areas.....yes, this set does have blooming......as most other LCD/LED sets with local dimming. However, I don't consider it a deal breaker. For example you can easily see the blooming when the credits roll.....white lettering against black background.

Blooming may be able to be fixed or reduced by a firmware update, but I'm not sure.

If you can't stand any kind of blooming, then it may be time to check out a plasma.......however they have their own issues.
post #1118 of 4754
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I'm sorry, but I don't agree at all with the comment that this TV "is not ready for prime time".

No worries. I dont expect most to agree with this comment in this forum. I did love the set and thought for the most part the PQ was very good. I did not return the set for the blooming effect though. It was the sluggish navigation and system crashes that really just made the experience frustrating. The pink spot/ area was really the straw that broke the camels back. I think down the road most of the issues I had with the set would be addressed via firmware. I still think for the money there is very little that can compete with the 553 series.
post #1119 of 4754
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Originally Posted by sanman_76 View Post

No worries. I dont expect most to agree with this comment in this forum. I did love the set and thought for the most part the PQ was very good. I did not return the set for the blooming effect though. It was the sluggish navigation and system crashes that really just made the experience frustrating. The pink spot/ area was really the straw that broke the camels back. I think down the road most of the issues I had with the set would be addressed via firmware. I still think for the money there is very little that can compete with the 553 series.

Interesting. You must have had a defective set. My set is hooked up to the internet (FIOS - mid level speed) via hard wire. Navigation and downloads are quick. No sluggishness. No crashes in over a month of use......about six hours per night. No display issues.

If I had any of the problems you encountered, I would have returned the set though and exchanged for another.

As you say, it's really a great deal for the money and there really is nothing in the LCD arena that can compete with it at this time.

I had narrowed my choices down to three LCD sets......the Sony HX909.....the Vizio 553.....and the LG Infinia 8500.......I have no regrets (for now) with going the Vizio route.

Did you replace the Vizio with another set?
post #1120 of 4754
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If I had any of the problems you encountered, I would have returned the set though and exchanged for another.

I almost did but a m a z o n was out and on back order.

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Did you replace the Vizio with another set?

Yes, the LG 55LD520. I love it so far. Very quick, excellent uniform backlight, excellent color reproduction, decent viewing angles, and a much better price tag. I am really shocked at the LG's picture because I thought it would be a big step down. Well I actually prefer the PQ of the LG over the Vizio. Many have stated the LG 55LD520 and similar sets (550, 560, etc.) are the best kept secrets of 2010. I will have to agree as I did not even consider them when I bought the Vizio. Many B&Ms do not even have them on the floor. Only in their warehouses. Their specs do not wow, especially those who fall victim to b.s. dynamic contrast ratios. The Vizio 10,000,000:1 vs. LG 100,000:1.
post #1121 of 4754
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Originally Posted by cawgijoe View Post

As to blooming......which is what some of you here are referring to I believe when you mention blotches in dark areas in conjunction with lighted areas.....yes, this set does have blooming......as most other LCD/LED sets with local dimming. However, I don't consider it a deal breaker. For example you can easily see the blooming when the credits roll.....white lettering against black background.

Blooming may be able to be fixed or reduced by a firmware update, but I'm not sure.

If you can't stand any kind of blooming, then it may be time to check out a plasma.......however they have their own issues.

First of all I have had two plasmas. Panny 50PZ85U and a Pioneer 111FD (Yes, the all mighty 9G Kuro). They didn't work for me because of phosphor trails on the Panny and DSE on the Pioneer. Which I ended up settling on a Sammy 52B750.

As for the Vizio the blooming you describe doesn't bother me. It's when the backlight kicks in too much say on a persons face giving it a washed out look in a dark screen. I'll post my TV settings tonight.
post #1122 of 4754
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

First of all I have had two plasmas. Panny 50PZ85U and a Pioneer 111FD (Yes, the all mighty 9G Kuro). They didn't work for me because of phosphor trails on the Panny and DSE on the Pioneer. Which I ended up settling on a Sammy 52B750.

As for the Vizio the blooming you describe doesn't bother me. It's when the backlight kicks in too much say on a persons face giving it a washed out look in a dark screen. I'll post my TV settings tonight.

I'll try and pay attention to the face issue tonight, but I really have not seen anything like that.
post #1123 of 4754
Anyone having problems running their PS3 with 1080P selected in the Display Settings screen?

When I have this selected, the display flickers with "snow", the sound cuts in & out, and gets worse as time goes on. My Xbox shares the same HDMI connection via a 3port HDMI auto-switching hub-like device, and doesn't exhibit the same issues.

Any thoughts?
post #1124 of 4754
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

First of all I have had two plasmas. Panny 50PZ85U and a Pioneer 111FD (Yes, the all mighty 9G Kuro). They didn't work for me because of phosphor trails on the Panny and DSE on the Pioneer. Which I ended up settling on a Sammy 52B750.

As for the Vizio the blooming you describe doesn't bother me. It's when the backlight kicks in too much say on a persons face giving it a washed out look in a dark screen. I'll post my TV settings tonight.

I think if you adjusted the Contrast control as opposed to Backlight, say, on a DVR still shot of a person's washed-out face (after confirming the face looked normal on one of your plasmas), you'd find you could correct that effect on the Vizio.

For the comments about the LG's picture superiority, was looking for mention of the LG's glossy screen reflection problem which the Vizio doesn't suffer from. When critiquing something like TV picture performance, just have to be really careful about singling out one parameter without considering all the other relevant ones too.

Since undoubtedly one brand or technology wouldn't ever satisfy everybody, probably leads to that old adage, "[TV screen] Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder..."
post #1125 of 4754
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...was looking for mention of the LG's glossy screen reflection problem which the Vizio doesn't suffer from

the LG 55LD520 doesn't have a glossy screen. It does have a semi-matte finish that I find better than the Vizio. I found the anti-reflective screen on the Vizio has a strange orange/blue star-burst effect if you look at lights through the reflection. It was a little distracting so I just turned off all the lights. Not really an issue for me. This is not visible on the LG.
post #1126 of 4754
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Originally Posted by sanman_76 View Post

the LG 55LD520 doesn't have a glossy screen. It does have a semi-matte finish that I find better than the Vizio. I found the anti-reflective screen on the Vizio has a strange orange/blue star-burst effect if you look at lights through the reflection. It was a little distracting so I just turned off all the lights. Not really an issue for me. This is not visible on the LG.

Was wondering about that because recently did see an LG with a matte screen. But let's say by far the majority of their models' screens are reflective.

Again, all these strange observations--guess me & family must be inflicted with a vision impairment that misses them...
post #1127 of 4754
"QUOTE=sanman_76" True. Another thing I thought of is viewing distance. I am pretty close to my set. About 8 feet. If I were to move it back to 15 feet I am sure I would not notice as much. I would have lived with the blooming though, it was the sluggish buggy behavior and the pink spot on the screen that really made me return the set. It was a very difficult decision though as the 553 is an amazing TV. It just is not ready for prime time IMHO."


"QUOTE=bpmurr" I'm even worse only being about seven feet from the TV. Being that close tends to make everything stand out. I'm pretty sure if I backed off a little it would have made things better. One thing I can say is the haven't had any smell or RVR issues so far. The TV seems to be solid from a build quality stand point."

If I view the 553 ( pixel = 0.630mm ) at 6 to 7 feet, I'm seeing all the pixels, and very little picture, and that is very awkward viewing. I would think the 473 would be a better choice, with a pixel size of 0.5415mm, or maybe even the 423, with a pixel size of 0.4845mm, if your viewing distance is 6 to 8 feet. Just a thought, as each persons eyesight may vary.

The 553 pixels seem about the size as our old 27 & 30 inch CRTs, and that required a viewing distance of 9 to 12 feet before the pixels disappeared and the picture appeared. :-))

It's just magic, as an illusion!
post #1128 of 4754
The PC monitor is a HP, has build in audio and can handle audio over HDMI. The PC graphics card is a GEforce GT240, 1GB mem. It too will handle audio over HDMI.

In order to connect to the 553 a Monoprice HDMI splitter is used, so the display on the PC monitor screen is identical to the 553 display in the PC mode.

I cannot access, from the PC the 553, signal route is outbound from the PC only.

The use of the Nvidea card eliminates a separate audio feed, bought the card for under 100.00, it is an excellent choice for my i7 920, 12GB computer for editing HiDef video, HDAVC.

Does not take much room and uses very little power. However not a good choice for gaming. I do not think that HDMI 1.4 is used, most likely 1.3. There would be no difference here even for 1.2.

However newer cards most likely use 1.4. I have read that even some 8800 cards will do it assuming the correct SW. Might be worthwhile to look at the Nvidea website

Hope that answers the question.

Eugene
post #1129 of 4754
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Originally Posted by kenking View Post

Was wondering about that because recently did see an LG with a matte screen. But let's say by far the majority of their models' screens are reflective.

Again, all these strange observations--guess me & family must be inflicted with a vision impairment that misses them...

I'm happy our family has the same ailment!

Seriously, I'm not going to knock anyone who has problems with this set..or sees things that bothers them that I don't...there are many choices out there........I also don't need to justify my purchase......I'm very happy with it.
post #1130 of 4754
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Originally Posted by BacStar View Post

Anyone having problems running their PS3 with 1080P selected in the Display Settings screen?

When I have this selected, the display flickers with "snow", the sound cuts in & out, and gets worse as time goes on. My Xbox shares the same HDMI connection via a 3port HDMI auto-switching hub-like device, and doesn't exhibit the same issues.

Any thoughts?

No problems with my PS3 or Sony BDP-S360.....but both are going through a Pioneer Elite VSX-01 receiver and not a swtching hub. Try connecting the PS3
directly to the TV via HDMI as a test.
post #1131 of 4754
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Originally Posted by sanman_76 View Post

the LG 55LD520 doesn't have a glossy screen.

Agreed. The LG models from the LD450 up through the LD650 at least, do not have glossy screens. Although it's next to impossible these days to get the true matte screens, where there is essentially no significant reflection. A 47 inch Insignia I had for a month last year(returned due to buzzing noise) had an ultra matte screen, could see no room reflections what in that screen. But compared to what is available these days, in my opinion the LG screens are one of the better in terms of low reflectivity.
post #1132 of 4754
Wow, Pilot just called and rescheduled my delivery from next Tuesday to TODAY. Leaving work now to go meet 'em!
post #1133 of 4754
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Originally Posted by Eugene157 View Post

The PC monitor is a HP, has build in audio and can handle audio over HDMI. The PC graphics card is a GEforce GT240, 1GB mem. It too will handle audio over HDMI.

In order to connect to the 553 a Monoprice HDMI splitter is used, so the display on the PC monitor screen is identical to the 553 display in the PC mode.

I cannot access, from the PC the 553, signal route is outbound from the PC only.

The use of the Nvidea card eliminates a separate audio feed, bought the card for under 100.00, it is an excellent choice for my i7 920, 12GB computer for editing HiDef video, HDAVC.

Does not take much room and uses very little power. However not a good choice for gaming. I do not think that HDMI 1.4 is used, most likely 1.3. There would be no difference here even for 1.2.

However newer cards most likely use 1.4. I have read that even some 8800 cards will do it assuming the correct SW. Might be worthwhile to look at the Nvidea website

Hope that answers the question.

Eugene


Your correct in defining your setup. Went back to the http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx website and refreshed myself, and with the help of your excellent description of your setup, have a much better understanding of the audio feed, to and from a TV.

So, if one wanted to receive audio "from" the TV, that would require an audio cable from the TV to the PC as in your setup, or my present one. The HDMI 1.4 ARC would only eliminate the need for an audio cable "from" the TV to a computer or receiver. Got it! Sometimes I'm a little slow...

Thanks,

Tom
post #1134 of 4754
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Originally Posted by AC_BAMA View Post

Can't believe somebody would recommend returning a TV because of a "smell".....

I would give consideration to returning a TV, if it was smelling up my house, especially for months, as some commenters have indicated. Might not be the healthiest situation either, depending on what is in the air.
post #1135 of 4754
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Originally Posted by Eugene157 View Post

The use of the Nvidea card eliminates a separate audio feed, bought the card for under 100.00, it is an excellent choice for my i7 920, 12GB computer for editing HiDef video, HDAVC.

I notice you are using the i7 920. For my combined HTPC/editing PC for which I am just beginning to assemble parts, I picked up a Corsair 650W psu and AMD quad core 965 125w black edition CPU at really great prices. But seems like i7920/930 is what most budget editors are using these days (especially for Adobe products like Photoshop/AfterEffects). Any advice, should I spend what will end up being about 200 dollars more all told, for the i930/x58MB/TriRAM combo over the AMD? Are you satisfied with the i920/12gig RAM, or do renders etc still take a while with that rig?
post #1136 of 4754
I bought my computer at Costco a Z model and am very happy with it. The graphics board was replaced with the Nvidea GT240 since it greatly speeds up the rendering.

When playing back HD video the 920 is typically at 2%. When rendering total power consumption is less than 300W, the computer came with a 450W supply, it was replaced with a Corsair 650W also but that was basically a waste of money. When rendering the 920 gets very hot, 65C so extra fans are a good idea as is free monitoring software such as CPUID CPU-Z or CPUID HWMonitor.

BTW I would not have picked a AMD CPU, over the years I have read that Intel is more likely to give more reliable performance. And the MB is a X58.

Since Pinnacle V14 is a 32 bit program (most editors still are) rarely more than 4GB of memory is used when editing.

I use Pinnacle V14 for editing,very inexpensive for what it does, have used their SW for many years and am very happy with it. Burning is either to 25GB BR at 24Mb or as AVCHD to a DVD DL at 17 Mb .Extra drives for the video of course etc. Basic rendering is better than real time, titles, transitions etc will slow it down but not by much.

Camera is a Canon HG21 set to 24Mb, the video on the 553 just blows one away.

I hope not to have ruffled to many feathers with my somewhat off topic subject and beg for forgiveness.

Eugene
post #1137 of 4754
I love the TV, except I might have to return it I have had it setup for the last 3 weeks and at first there was an odd "blinking" like the backlight would all turn on, then all turn off. It would happen until I manged to change the input (HDMI to TV) or (HDMI to AV). That happened about once a week, annoying but not worth the hassle of boxing it back up and taking it to Costco.

Now once each day for the last three days, I turn on the TV and there will be sound but no picture at all, not even the Visio apps screen displays. The Visio logo is white, it is not blinking. If it is on TV input I can use the remote to change channels and the sound changes, but no picture. If the XBOX is on and I can switch to the correct input I can hear the game audio, but still no picture. If I wait about 5 minutes it will come back on and everything will be OK.

The last time it happened it was late at night and the room was completely dark, but I could see the remote by the glow of the screen so I guess that means the LEDs must have been on, but no picture was displayed. The first time it happened it was the HDMI3 input with an XBOX 360. The last two times it has been the tuner set to cable TV. My local costco only has the display model left, but if it keeps happening I guess I will return it and try again with a different model.

PS -- Mine still has the smell
post #1138 of 4754
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Originally Posted by rzcjqw View Post

I love the TV, except I might have to return it I have had it setup for the last 3 weeks and at first there was an odd "blinking" like the backlight would all turn on, then all turn off. It would happen until I manged to change the input (HDMI to TV) or (HDMI to AV). That happened about once a week, annoying but not worth the hassle of boxing it back up and taking it to Costco.

Now once each day for the last three days, I turn on the TV and there will be sound but no picture at all, not even the Visio apps screen displays. The Visio logo is white, it is not blinking. If it is on TV input I can use the remote to change channels and the sound changes, but no picture. If the XBOX is on and I can switch to the correct input I can hear the game audio, but still no picture. If I wait about 5 minutes it will come back on and everything will be OK.

The last time it happened it was late at night and the room was completely dark, but I could see the remote by the glow of the screen so I guess that means the LEDs must have been on, but no picture was displayed. The first time it happened it was the HDMI3 input with an XBOX 360. The last two times it has been the tuner set to cable TV. My local costco only has the display model left, but if it keeps happening I guess I will return it and try again with a different model.

PS -- Mine still has the smell


Sorry about your problem. What model do you have?

Have you contacted Vizio about your problem, including the smell thing? If we just return the units to the place of purchase without letting Vizio at least try to resolve the issues, how will Vizio know about our problems in a timely fashion?

When you do return your unit, hope they have another unit on hand like yours in stock.
post #1139 of 4754
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Originally Posted by rzcjqw View Post

I love the TV, except I might have to return it I have had it setup for the last 3 weeks and at first there was an odd "blinking" like the backlight would all turn on, then all turn off. It would happen until I manged to change the input (HDMI to TV) or (HDMI to AV). That happened about once a week, annoying but not worth the hassle of boxing it back up and taking it to Costco.

Now once each day for the last three days, I turn on the TV and there will be sound but no picture at all, not even the Visio apps screen displays. The Visio logo is white, it is not blinking. If it is on TV input I can use the remote to change channels and the sound changes, but no picture. If the XBOX is on and I can switch to the correct input I can hear the game audio, but still no picture. If I wait about 5 minutes it will come back on and everything will be OK.

The last time it happened it was late at night and the room was completely dark, but I could see the remote by the glow of the screen so I guess that means the LEDs must have been on, but no picture was displayed. The first time it happened it was the HDMI3 input with an XBOX 360. The last two times it has been the tuner set to cable TV. My local costco only has the display model left, but if it keeps happening I guess I will return it and try again with a different model.

PS -- Mine still has the smell

Yestersay i purchase this vizio from costco they had only 2 left in stock...the same issue as you reported that the sound is coming and there is no picture happened with me once when i was watching netflix and tried to go into the menu the movie sound was coming but no picture...i will give it some days and see if it happens again...i think this problem would be in all vizios xvt553s ...vizio might need to upgrade the formware
post #1140 of 4754
one more thing i noticed...it only happened when my daughter was watching Caillou the image was quite jerky...can any one check that if this happens with them as well? it only happened in caillou...othermovies on netflix are normal..
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