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post #3001 of 4767
1/9/11 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Mikomotosan View Post

Cool I guess great eyes sees alike, LOL!
Anyway, let me know how the ISF setting looks on bluray.

@Gratefull11...
I can still see the green hue even on HD with CNET's settings...it must be my eyes. I can't check on bluray, I don't have a player yet.
I wrote down both settings so I can test them both time and again

Well, it's not just us. My wife commented this morning about how "clear the TV looks" and she's one of those people that normally doesn't care about such things.

I put in the Avatar bluray, and these settings definitely produce the best PQ I've seen. Thanks again.


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post #3002 of 4767
1/9/11 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by DustinR View Post

Well, it's not just us. My wife commented this morning about how "clear the TV looks" and she's one of those people that normally doesn't care about such things.

I put in the Avatar bluray, and these settings definitely produce the best PQ I've seen. Thanks again.


Dustin

Doesn't 85 for backlight seem a bit too high?
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post #3003 of 4767
1/9/11 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by DustinR View Post

Well, it's not just us. My wife commented this morning about how "clear the TV looks" and she's one of those people that normally doesn't care about such things.

I put in the Avatar bluray, and these settings definitely produce the best PQ I've seen. Thanks again.


Dustin

Just wanted to chime in and say that I also thought CNET's settings had a slight green tint.
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post #3004 of 4767
1/9/11 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by htpw16 View Post

Aside from the buzzing hows the picture quality on it? Is it truly stunning as pretty much everyone has said? VT25 was and still is on my mind. Let us know, if you end up getting the Vizio XVT, how it compares with the VT25. I would definitely be interested.

I have a 58VT25 and a XVT423SV. The PQ on the VT25 is better in every conceivable way. It's a great panel. That said, I am still happy with the XVT (but I'd be hesitant to recommend it for a family/living/theater room).
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post #3005 of 4767
1/9/11 at 8:57pm
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post19793388

htpw16, sorry, the settings that are working great for me are in the link above. Yes, 85 would be way too high.

I have my backlight slightly higher than the settings in the post linked above, but things like that will need to be adjusted based on how much ambient light there is in the room, etc.

Dustin
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post #3006 of 4767
1/9/11 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by punchwalk View Post

I have a 58VT25 and a XVT423SV. The PQ on the VT25 is better in every conceivable way. It's a great panel. That said, I am still happy with the XVT (but I'd be hesitant to recommend it for a family/living/theater room).

Why?
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post #3007 of 4767
1/9/11 at 11:43pm
Just an update on my scrambled screen at start up.

I still have the problem. I am also having problems now with my Vizio Locking up during the HDMI hand shake, while the screen is jacked up (technical term). The screen freezes and everything is un-responsive until I hold the TV's power button in for 20 seconds or so (until it goes off).

I then turn the TV on again and it flashes white/orange for a minute or so, then starts up and is fine. I don't want to go through this all the time for sure. I can't honestly say if it's lasting longer now or not though.

I'm also going to mess with the CEC settings and see if I can get rid of the locking up, but I HATE that the screen is jacked up on start up.

I love everything about this TV except this, and I don't seem to suffer from blooming as others do, so for me the best option is the new logic board. I just need to get Vizio to see this now too.
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post #3008 of 4767
1/10/11 at 3:02am
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Originally Posted by Mikomotosan View Post
Okay - now back to color calibration:

I tried the Cnet settings...I find the color temp settings too green.
---Color Temperature submenu---
Color Temperature: Normal
Red Gain: 117
Green Gain: 121
Blue Gain: 112
Red Offset: 126
Green Offset: 131
Blue Offset: 120

so I revert back to the ISF setting I found from this forum by Kevin R. Anderson, my eyes like this formula much better:

---Color Temperature submenu---
Color Temperature: Normal
Red Gain: 116
Green Gain: 111
Blue Gain: 123
Red Offset: 119
Green Offset: 125
Blue Offset: 125

but i tweaked my own Picture settings:
---Picture settings menu---
Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight: 35
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 52
Color: 47
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 6


--Advanced Picture submenu---
Smooth Motion Effect: Off
Real Cinema Mode: Off [grayed out]
Noise Reduction: Off
Color Enhancement: Normal
Adaptive Luma: Medium
Film Mode: Auto
Smart Dimming: On
Ambient Light Sensor: Off
This makes skin tones look a bit pink-ish, don't you think? I've been trying to convince myself -not- to buy the disney wow calibration disc since I really can't afford another $30 right now (college + long-term girlfriend = no money) but I can't help but feeling no setting gets the most oomph out of the tv. I tried the DVE calibration disc (bd) but as I got it from netflix it didn't have the color filter and none of these discs seem to take backlight into account so I don't find them particularly helpful. The picture looks fairly crisp and clear, but I've heard across the board (pun intended >_>, oh my wit) having so many processing functions on, it'll A.) increase motion blur and B.) likely deliver a picture that isn't lifelike, and isn't what the filmmakers intended.

If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it!

I'm loosely considering saving up for an ISF calibrator but do you guys really think it'd be worth it?

I'm a massive film buff so film quality is essential. I can't be watching Inception or the upcoming Social Network in my home theater with slightly off colors, can I?
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post #3009 of 4767
1/10/11 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by jw00dy View Post
Just an update on my scrambled screen at start up.

I still have the problem. I am also having problems now with my Vizio Locking up during the HDMI hand shake, while the screen is jacked up (technical term). The screen freezes and everything is un-responsive until I hold the TV's power button in for 20 seconds or so (until it goes off).

I then turn the TV on again and it flashes white/orange for a minute or so, then starts up and is fine. I don't want to go through this all the time for sure. I can't honestly say if it's lasting longer now or not though.

I'm also going to mess with the CEC settings and see if I can get rid of the locking up, but I HATE that the screen is jacked up on start up.

I love everything about this TV except this, and I don't seem to suffer from blooming as others do, so for me the best option is the new logic board. I just need to get Vizio to see this now too.

I too have this problem. It's so frustrating to hear others have it also. This must mean it's already been known about at Vizio. However, when talking to them, they always seem like it's the first they heard of it! I truely hope that they incorporated whatever engineering change into the boards to correct this in future sets.
It would be interesting to know how prevalent this startup problem is! Maybe most people just accept it, but the long term reliability can't be good.
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post #3010 of 4767
1/10/11 at 6:28am
It happened, my 553 updated itself a couple of days ago. Now I'm having problems. First thing I noticed after the update was when I switched to an input that the wii was connected to but not turned on yet, there was a strobe-light effect from the right side of the screen. The only way to make it disappear was to turn smart dimming back on. Then watching football yesterday I noticed every time the picture would switch scenes quickly I could see pixelization. At first I thought it might have been the feed from the network but then when it was showing a shot of the stadium from the blimp I could see the crowd going from a perfect picture to pixelization every fraction of a second.
I reset all the picture settings back to factory which has helped some, but it's not the picture quality I had originally and there is definitely more blooming now than before.
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post #3011 of 4767
1/10/11 at 6:57am
I see some blooming on credits/black screen but that doesn't bother me.

I see some blooming on faces around a campfire--maybe as bad as what you guys see in "The Gauntlet" clip--but I knew from the reviews that there would be blooming on such scenes and it bothers me only a little, because the set looks so incredibly good on most material.

I think many of us are seeing the same thing but it bothers some more than others.
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post #3012 of 4767
1/10/11 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by Tom the Piddler View Post
The first recommendation if your having problems with a source ( PS3 ) is to change out the cable. Usually solves a lot of problems. But to each their own.

The 553 and the thread dude...

Tom
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Originally Posted by knobe View Post
As I said before, I too have the audio issue on cold start up. It does seem to take longer to resolve itself each day. The video is distorted and the sound is choppy until it warms up. It is connected using HDMI1 to a cable box. Can anyone tell me if they DON'T have this problem or is it universal? TIA.

I have constantly had this problem. I actually replaced my 1st 473 with another one, and I still have the problem. I initially thought I only had the problem with 1080p video distortion, but on my other sources I do have a problem with choppy audio until the Vizo warms up (i just didn't use the 1080p source until it was warmed up so I didn't know about the audio problem).

I totally replaced all my HDMI cables - no difference. Vizio blames my sources and denies I have a problem. I can prove it is the television with this easy test. I turn the television on without any sources being on (I don't have a direct cable connection I have a satellite box) and then wait for a couple of minutes. I can then turn on any device and the Vizio has no distorted audio or video if the Vizio is not in a "cold start" state.

I admit others do not have this problem, but for some units this problem is there. I am betting the contents of each of these boxes is not the same.
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post #3013 of 4767
1/10/11 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by SharksFan98

I was confused for a moment about what you were asking, but I think I get it now:

We have to set CEC System Audio Control to ON in order to get the AVR to play sound and have ARC. Sometimes you just use the TV speakers though. If you set up CEC to work with your AVR, but then turn the AVR off, your TV speakers don't play any sound. Your video source is passing through your AVR or directly into your TV? Did I understand that right?

My Yamaha AVR has fairly simple settings for HDMI-CEC. Control ON, ARC ENABLED, select source name for ARC audio. That's it.
Sharksfan,

Something like that. As gatorgrad posted earlier, we have no sound when our avr is off - doesn't sound like proper passthrough to me! I think it may be a problem with the avr, but I'll crosspost on the 608 owners forum and see.

I do have my cable box hooked up through my avr, and then one hdmi cable from my avr to my tv.
Have you been able to pipe your tv sound through the avr speakers? I've been trying to do this with pandora, for example... Any idea how to set this up? Have you been able to do it?
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post #3014 of 4767
1/10/11 at 8:34am
Are those of you that are experiencing choppy audio all using HDMI or digital audio connections to your audio equipment? I had no issues ever with analog audio connections to my soundbar, but I think I heard some choppiness for the first time yesterday with a digital connection (though it went away when I changed the channel).
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post #3015 of 4767
1/10/11 at 8:54am
Well, I think I am going to pull the trigger on the XVT553. The first, and only, flat screen I have is a Vizio purchased about four years ago and I haven't had any issues. I figure I'll try and go 2 for 2 with this company. Supposedly, my local Costco is receiving a new shipment today or tomorrow, so I'll see how one from this batch goes.

Vizio did get me rather excited with all their impressive announcements at CES. Besides announcing an upcoming 72 inch television, many of their upcoming televisions will have wireless PC connections, the new OnLive gaming, plenty of content partnerships, and passive 3-D glasses.

They also announced 50" and 58" Cinemawide HDTV LED LCDs that will feature a 21:9 Cinema aspect ratio capable of displaying native 2.35: 1 movies (supposedly without the frustrating black bars).

Hopefully, this experience goes well and I'll bring a third Vizio into the home Spring of 2012 when the "mancave" finally gets tackled!
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post #3016 of 4767
1/10/11 at 9:40am
So I watched Aeon Flux via NetFlix last night, and in some of the darker scenes I DID see some blooming around the character's heads. I was 10 feet away, off-angle about 30 degrees.

Now I've also watched some Lord of the Rings on DVD and have *not* witnessed it, so it could be the source there. I don't have BluRay yet so I can't speak to that, although my internet connection is getting upgraded to 6MB/s today so I'm going to try a Vudu HDX movie in the next couple of days and I'll report those findings.
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post #3017 of 4767
1/10/11 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by Vader182 View Post
This makes skin tones look a bit pink-ish, don't you think?
Which settings? There are two CNET & Kevin's ISF calibration.


The hue depends on the broadcasting networks...some are too yellow, too pink, too blue etc. I find Kevin's ISF calibration just right and a good balance of hue/temperature on all the local HD channels I'm getting. The CNET one is a bit off for my taste.
I never set my backlighting more that 55 besides it being way too bright a high setting will also shorten the TV's life span. 30,000hrs for half its brightness = the setting should stay on 50 if you want the 30,000 life span.

Sorry I can't help you with calibration equipment the good ones are costly and those DVD ones are not accurate (according to reviews).

To get an ISF tech in your house to calibrate your TV will cost over $300. So I'm trusting that Kevin (from this forum) is an ISF tech. Bless him for sharing his Vizio calibrated settings that I just copied and re-posted for the benefit of those that missed his posts.
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post #3018 of 4767
1/10/11 at 9:44am
I've been thinking that I might take my second try Vizio back...even though I got a killer deal...the cold startups with messed up screen and major blooming are bugging me to the point that I just don't think I'll be happy with it.

I'm looking at the Panasonic V25 series now. Only question is....I could care less about having 3d capablilty, so I really don't want to pay extra to have 3D

does Panasonic make a version of this tv that doesn't have 3d but has the same picture quality?
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post #3019 of 4767
1/10/11 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by robb1138 View Post
Are those of you that are experiencing choppy audio all using HDMI or digital audio connections to your audio equipment? I had no issues ever with analog audio connections to my soundbar, but I think I heard some choppiness for the first time yesterday with a digital connection (though it went away when I changed the channel).
DishTV (HDMI --> AVR) or Netflix streaming (Optical from XVT553SV --> AVR) do this every once in a while - I get very brief audio cutout, but that's to be expected from sat/internet sources - DVD or other "local" sources don't (nor should they) do that in my experience.
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post #3020 of 4767
1/10/11 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by htpw16 View Post

Doesn't 85 for backlight seem a bit too high?

85 is the default value, you'll burn your retina with that setting...Kevin - the guy that did the ISF calibration corrected his backlighting and set it to 50.

My living room is fairly dark so I can get away with 35...if I take my curtains down and pull the blinds up then 55 is better. Anything higher than that my eyes will start to feel like they will burst into flames
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post #3021 of 4767
1/10/11 at 9:56am
@DustinR -

I'm glad your wife liked the new color calibration - all thanks goes to Kevin Anderson. I just happen to find his post...good for us!
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post #3022 of 4767
1/10/11 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by zstokes View Post

So I watched Aeon Flux via NetFlix last night, and in some of the darker scenes I DID see some blooming around the character's heads. I was 10 feet away, off-angle about 30 degrees.

Now I've also watched some Lord of the Rings on DVD and have *not* witnessed it, so it could be the source there. I don't have BluRay yet so I can't speak to that, although my internet connection is getting upgraded to 6MB/s today so I'm going to try a Vudu HDX movie in the next couple of days and I'll report those findings.

Netflix streams look like @$$ compared to Vudu HD/HDX, I am now spoiled by Vudu rentals. If DVD is the best source you have, prepare to see what your Vizio is capable of with Vudu. That Owl movie...umm Legend of the Guardians looked unbelievable. The movie itself wasn't great but what a showpiece for a great LED tv!
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post #3023 of 4767
1/10/11 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by spoonmandts View Post

Netflix streams look like @$$ compared to Vudu HD/HDX, I am now spoiled by Vudu rentals. If DVD is the best source you have, prepare to see what your Vizio is capable of with Vudu. That Owl movie...umm Legend of the Guardians looked unbelievable. The movie itself wasn't great but what a showpiece for a great LED tv!

Thanks for the heads up. My daughter has begged and pleaded to watch that - now that our internet connection can stream HDX, maybe I'll cave. Not tonight though - they have to suffer through Auburn vs. Oregon tonight. Football looks ridiculous on this thing.
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post #3024 of 4767
1/10/11 at 11:50am
If I don't care about 3D is there any other reason to choose model XVT3D474SV over the XVT473SV?
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post #3025 of 4767
1/10/11 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by Mikomotosan View Post

Which settings? There are two CNET & Kevin's ISF calibration.


The hue depends on the broadcasting networks...some are too yellow, too pink, too blue etc. I find Kevin's ISF calibration just right and a good balance of hue/temperature on all the local HD channels I'm getting. The CNET one is a bit off for my taste.
I never set my backlighting more that 55 besides it being way too bright a high setting will also shorten the TV's life span. 30,000hrs for half its brightness = the setting should stay on 50 if you want the 30,000 life span.

Sorry I can't help you with calibration equipment the good ones are costly and those DVD ones are not accurate (according to reviews).

To get an ISF tech in your house to calibrate your TV will cost over $300. So I'm trusting that Kevin (from this forum) is an ISF tech. Bless him for sharing his Vizio calibrated settings that I just copied and re-posted for the benefit of those that missed his posts.

I'm using the isf settings, I've been using cnet's since I got them with the brightness/contrast tweaked according to dve essentials.

The isf colors (for blu ray) make skintones look a bit pink, and with the settings you posted that you like (sharpness, the brightness, and adaptive luma especially), things either look a bit too white or a bit pink to my eyes.
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post #3026 of 4767
1/10/11 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Mikomotosan View Post

Which settings? There are two CNET & Kevin's ISF calibration.


The hue depends on the broadcasting networks...some are too yellow, too pink, too blue etc. I find Kevin's ISF calibration just right and a good balance of hue/temperature on all the local HD channels I'm getting. The CNET one is a bit off for my taste.
I never set my backlighting more that 55 besides it being way too bright a high setting will also shorten the TV's life span. 30,000hrs for half its brightness = the setting should stay on 50 if you want the 30,000 life span.

Sorry I can't help you with calibration equipment the good ones are costly and those DVD ones are not accurate (according to reviews).

To get an ISF tech in your house to calibrate your TV will cost over $300. So I'm trusting that Kevin (from this forum) is an ISF tech. Bless him for sharing his Vizio calibrated settings that I just copied and re-posted for the benefit of those that missed his posts.

Just be warned that ISF Calibrated settings for one TV can be very different from another TV's settings after being calibrated by a pro (even when it's the same exact model).

For instance (as posted earlier in this thread), these are the settings for my 553 after being calibrated in which the average Delta E was between 2 and 3 (the exception was at 10% IRE where one color had a Delta E just above 5. I think he said it was blue but I'm not 100% sure that was the color. All Delta E's did go back to between 2 and 3 from 30% to 100% IRE, which according to him is very, very good...under 10 is acceptable)

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ISF Calibrated Settings:
Movie Mode
Backlight 20
Brightness 52
Contrast 50
Color 46
Tint 0
Sharp 5

Color Temp "Normal"

Red Gain 114
Green "" 111
Blue "" 100

Red Offset 128
Green "" 128
Blue "" 113

Advanced Picture:

Everything off except "Film Mode" set to Auto and "Smart Dimming" on.

I changed his settings only by putting "Smooth Motion Effect" at high when watching anything other than a movie (even when watching a movie the soap opera effect isn't noticeable (to me) as long as "Real Cinema Mode" is kept OFF and Smooth Motion is at Med or Low).

The DVDs will help you with brightness, contrast, color sat (with blue filter), and sharpness. It won't really help you when it comes to adjusting the color temp settings. For those you will either need the correct equipment, a certified calibrator, or the very impressive ability to match 6500k color temp by sight only (next to impossible).

Whatever looks good to you is right when it comes down to it. Most of us are used to watching a "cooler" picture. It took me a little while to get used to the "calibrated" picture...it seemed a little too warm to me. Now that I'm used to it I can actually see that it's the *correct* color (and I love it!). So just be aware that some people might not like a calibrated picture.
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post #3027 of 4767
1/10/11 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by sasmallen View Post

Just be warned that ISF Calibrated settings for one TV can be very different from another TV's settings after being calibrated by a pro (even when it's the same exact model).

For instance (as posted earlier in this thread), these are the settings for my 553 after being calibrated in which the average Delta E was between 2 and 3 (the exception was at 10% IRE where one color had a Delta E just above 5. I think he said it was blue but I'm not 100% sure that was the color. All Delta E's did go back to between 2 and 3 from 30% to 100% IRE, which according to him is very, very good...under 10 is acceptable)



The DVDs will help you with brightness, contrast, color sat (with blue filter), and sharpness. It won't really help you when it comes to adjusting the color temp settings. For those you will either need the correct equipment, a certified calibrator, or the very impressive ability to match 6500k color temp by sight only (next to impossible).

Whatever looks good to you is right when it comes down to it. Most of us are used to watching a "cooler" picture. It took me a little while to get used to the "calibrated" picture...it seemed a little too warm to me. Now that I'm used to it I can actually see that it's the *correct* color (and I love it!). So just be aware that some people might not like a calibrated picture.

For some reason I feel like the sharpness setting is artificial.
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post #3028 of 4767
1/10/11 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by Mikomotosan View Post

Which settings? There are two CNET & Kevin's ISF calibration.


The hue depends on the broadcasting networks...some are too yellow, too pink, too blue etc. I find Kevin's ISF calibration just right and a good balance of hue/temperature on all the local HD channels I'm getting. The CNET one is a bit off for my taste.
I never set my backlighting more that 55 besides it being way too bright a high setting will also shorten the TV's life span. 30,000hrs for half its brightness = the setting should stay on 50 if you want the 30,000 life span.

Sorry I can't help you with calibration equipment the good ones are costly and those DVD ones are not accurate (according to reviews).

To get an ISF tech in your house to calibrate your TV will cost over $300. So I'm trusting that Kevin (from this forum) is an ISF tech. Bless him for sharing his Vizio calibrated settings that I just copied and re-posted for the benefit of those that missed his posts.

Just FYI - from The Vizio Letter:

3) Lamp life on the [553] website now reads 50,000 hours? This was changed from 30,000 hours, on about 7/18/10, after I had called and asked about this as compared to the 552 at 40,000 hours. website note - the 473 and the 423 still show 30,000 hours. The Manual reads 30,000 hours for each unit.

Vizio's reply: Neither Plasma, LCD nor LED technologies have been in existence long enough to bear out the projected time to half brightness.
Those figures are based not on actuarial data, but best-guess estimates of the designers of the illumination technologies.
There are complex variables in LED backlights, i.e. composition, substrate and bonding material.
The Engineering Spec list 50,000 for XVT423SV, XVT473SV and XVT553SV. UM and site have been revised

Tom

note - the manuals, as there have been at least 3, are still not correct. :-((
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post #3029 of 4767
1/10/11 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by blkhouse View Post

I have constantly had this problem. I actually replaced my 1st 473 with another one, and I still have the problem. I initially thought I only had the problem with 1080p video distortion, but on my other sources I do have a problem with choppy audio until the Vizo warms up (i just didn't use the 1080p source until it was warmed up so I didn't know about the audio problem).

I totally replaced all my HDMI cables - no difference. Vizio blames my sources and denies I have a problem. I can prove it is the television with this easy test. I turn the television on without any sources being on (I don't have a direct cable connection I have a satellite box) and then wait for a couple of minutes. I can then turn on any device and the Vizio has no distorted audio or video if the Vizio is not in a "cold start" state.

I admit others do not have this problem, but for some units this problem is there. I am betting the contents of each of these boxes is not the same.

I am having a similar issue on my xvt423sv. My audio and video distortion is minor however. When I turn on my xbox connected via hdmi, i see the pixel shifts slightly horizontally back and forth for about 30 seconds to a minute before everything settles. During that time, the audio has static sounds. That is only on cold bootup as well. I recently just got a replacement for that TV and still has that problem. I waited for the firm upgrade to see maybe that will clear things up, but no it is still there.

As of now I am really debating whether to further get another replacement or return the TV and get another brand...or not at all. Been having bad luck lately, went through 4 TVs already..ugh.
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1/10/11 at 1:50pm
Has any one been able to stream media to the tv using flingo.org and the web video widget? I can not figure out how to stream local content but web content works perfectly... where available.
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