Official Vizio XVT3SV Series NO PRICE or Coupon talk - Page 104

I dont think anyone in this thread has second Vizio is second rate set. I think alot of people think that. I know you were responding to RX7 but since im in the same boat, i take a stab at your post.


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Why have a unit repaired when its brand new? Most people will not want to do that. I think the expectation is that it works fine out of the box. As tech consumers we know that is not the case all the time. If I have a problem and its a new purchase its going back and I'm getting a new one or an alternative. There is no reason to have a tech jacking around in a new set. I have personally called Vizio and documented the problem, they offered to have it repaired but again see my previous notes on how I feel about this. I'm sure I am not the only one in that boat. I also posted a message on their facebook wall linking back to this issue but never got a response.


I understand this and I had a new unit ordered from Sam's to replace my "faulty" unit. Well the new unit has the same issues. Albiet to a differant degree then the first one but it still exists. If it is truly "one bad panel out of millions" then what are the odds of me getting another "faulty" tv? I quoted faulty because I think alot of people dont percieve this issue to be considered faulty regardless of us posting images showing how bad it is. People keep posting "I cant believe you guys are complaing about such a small issue" or "but this set has such a great image on everything else" or "its only the credits i can see it" etc... etc... etc... I personally think they switched panels or something of that nature. I cant think that the cnet and other reviewers wouldnt of noticed this issue. It would explain for the most part why earlier posts in this thread dont really mention any blooming issues. Again I think it all comes down to the content you watch and whether you can manage with the issue. I watch alot of horror movies and movies with dark scenes, its embarrasing to have people over and make comments on your brand new tv that it looks like there is "smoke" on peoples faces. The biggest thing that confuses me is WHY doesnt it happen all the time. By now I've watched the issues enough to know what type of scenes are going to exhibit this problem. But every once in a while it suprises me with a dark scene that doesnt happen at all. That makes me think its something with the firmware or processing of how they manage the zones. All in all I love the quality of the set - the dark scenes, unfortanutely I watch enough of them to notice it too much.

In regards to someones response to my choice of the G25 and rising black levels. That is valid, and that might not be the best set for me either. Its a tough call cause they all have their issues. My TV stays on damn near 24 hours a day so Plasma burn in and rising blacks are a concern. I havent actually pulled the trigger on another one yet, and Im not dead set on a plasma either. I just want one that works as I expect it to. Sorry for the ramble...

joshman and RX7_dude

Although I am one of the XVT553 owners that don't have the problems you two are experiencing, I am interested in the paths you two are taking.

Have you two actually seen a XVT553 in good working order...or to your liking?

What do you two want to happen? What are your next steps?

This pic is taken with my digital camera,you may see blooming thought the eye of the camera, but my VIZIO XVT473SV shows no signs of blooming at all. The pic is not an accurate image of what you really see at the start-up screen.

I have not yet seen one that did not have the problems that we have described and I have seen 3 of them now. My old one, my father in law's, and my new one. You can probably imagine now why I have such skeptisism that any of them are good. But I do believe there are some of you guys that have a working units that does not display the problems.

I would love to have a working unit, as I have said numerous times, and I have found looking for a replacment: This is one of the nicest pics you can find in any TV. I have spent hours at Best Buy, Frys, Sams, Costco just staring at TV's and the pic on this tv is really that good. As far as next steps, I have two choices return again and hope for the best. This would be easier if any local stores actually carried them anymore. Or get another brand. I havent decided on which yet if anything.

The first time I noticed blooming was when I watched How To Train Your Dragon. The opening night scene had a lot of blooming.

There have been a few threads with suggestions of scenes to try. One of the easiest would be to use Netflix and look for the movie suggested earlier in the thread. I cant remember what movie it was off the top of my head but going back a few pages you could find it. Its a clint eastwood movie where he and some chick are hanging around a campfire that shows it.

I wish the USB ports could play videos. If they could I would be tempted to create a video file of a black background with differant colored boxes moving around. Im curious on what the effects would be. As I mentioned its odd that it shows itself in certain scenes where there is skin tones, yet other scenes it doesnt. If that could happen I could up load the file and others could do that same.

If anyone is interested I could try posting on their Facebook wall again and maybe some others could jump on the bandwagon linking to this thread to get their attention. It would be nice to talk to someone in the know on this issue.

If I remember correctly the 47 has either more zones or the same amount but in a smaller area then the 55. As blooming obviously has to do with zones dimming. I would suspect it would be less of an issue if the zones were smaller. IE if we had twice as many zones on the current 55's I'd suspect the blooming would be even less present.

So this is where I get confused...

To you, is it a great picture or isn't it? What is the skepticism about? Do the problems you see prevent it from being a "one of the nicest pics"?

Just like with hearing where some people are sensitive to certain frequencies, is it possible that you are more sensitive to certain light output?

Sorry I should of worded it differantly but I have said this in a few posts, the pic is fantastic except for the blooming in low light scenes. It still is "one of the nicest pics" as long as you dont get into low light high contrast video. Thats where you run into the problem. Not everyone watches a ton of horror films or even video with alot of dark scenes so maybe it would not be an issue if I was just watching cable tv or comedy's.


The skeptecism was about someones previous post about getting that "one bad unit out of millions", If that was truly the case what are the odds my replacment is bad as well? Look at the pics I posted in the earlier in this thread... Do you see the blooming? If so I suspect we have the same sensitivity.

My gut feeling is that early adopters like reviewers, some on this thread got better panels then some of us just buying now. I have nothing to back that up other then looking back at reviews and earlier posts in this thread. I wish we had some manufacturer dates to throw around so we could tell if this was the case. Now there are some that have stated in this thread that theirs is new and they dont see blooming, maybe they got some from an older batch. Manufactures have been known to switch out panels from time to time, could this be the case why some are seeing the issue and others are not? I dunno just a thought.

Or those complaining didn't pay attention to the reviews that said this set has more blooming than some other locally dimming sets.....

IMO some blooming occasionally is more acceptable than flash lighting and clouding that the other much higher priced LED sets have.

Umm I think that was one review? I cant remember but yes I did see that. Right along side of their glowing review best value blah blah blah... Did they show pics of the said blooming? If it was as bad as mine would they of made a bigger stink? Also I didnt read reviews when I bought this TV, I went and viewed it at a costco and looked at competitors sets. Look at my post count, why do you think I came on here? Cause I was having these problems and found others that did as well. I should have read on here and reviews a little more next time, now I know...

Why do I get the feeling that some people on this forum take it personal when we say there is something wrong with our devices and they dont have the problem. We have posted pics, we have called tech support, we have posted the issue on facebook. This is why this thread and forum exists.

Let me ask you a question... What are you trying to prove? I have posted pics, others have posted pics, showing the problem. People need to be aware of this isssue if they get a set or are looking for a set.

Did you look at my pics? Did you see the blooming? If you were a reviewer would you call that "a little more blooming then another set"? If I was a reviewer and I saw that, I would say it looks pretty ****ing bad.

Sorry if I came across rough but it seems like we are having to defend our issues against a bunch of fanboys that dont want us to say anything bad about the set cause they have no problems. Good for you... I'm glad you dont have the problem but me and others do.

I think it's good hearing both sides.

Nothing personal and certainly not a fan boy.

I agree the blooming in your pics is pretty bad. I don't have one but have viewed one many times at my parents house and at the store. None I have seen had the blooming as bad as in your pics. Bum sets I guess


I understand totally that you want to find the best tv you can. I have been looking at sets for 4 months trying to find a replacement for my 2005 52" DLP. All lcd sets have problems and if it weren't for lamp replacements every year I would even think about replacing the dlp with an lcd. My 720p dlp with a 1500:1 contrast ratio is an overall better picture than these lcds. I don't have any motion issues, clouding, blooming, or flash lighting. So far the Vizio had the best overall picture that I have seen in lcd's. With my luck after I get it home the blooming will probably haunt me

When it came down to purchasing a new tv to replace my Sony 34XBR800 tube set, I spend a good six months researching, looking, reading, researching some more.........till I got sick of it.

Initially I was going to buy an LG 55" Infinia. I could not get past the highly reflective screen that would limit my viewing capability to a completely dark room. I did not see banding as others have seen.

Next, I was going to buy the 52" Sony 909......nice set.....way too expensive for me.

The it came down to either a 58" LG or 60" Samsung plasma.....I liked the plasmas, but again lights in the room played a factor.

I ended up buying the Vizio 553 and have enjoyed it since August 17, 2010. The set does have blooming, but with the Cnet settings I use, I only really see it when the credits roll. I am extremely happy with the picture on this set as well as the great price. Our family loves it.

Having said that, I'm sure there are folks here who either have real problem sets, or are very sensitive to this issue.

I would say that if you have done all you can to either get a good set or dial in the perfect settings and still have an issue, don't beat yourself up.....go look at other sets including plasma and get what makes you happy.

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes...I saw your pics...and I don't doubt what you see.

I got my set in October from my local Costco, that took delivery of it a week before.

Before I make a purchase like this, I enjoy doing the research. If my research was wrong/bad, it is time wasted, time to cut loses, and move on.

With your speculation of panels being inferior in newer units, what is your game plan? With your dissatisfaction and speculation posted in this thread, I would think it be a no-brainer. If it were me, I'd be long gone, not waste my energy anymore here, and spend that energy looking for a successor.

You have a blooming problem with your TV, that's fair enough... I too had problems with my 2 previous Samsung LN55C650's (banding, bleeding, motion blur, etc) and both got returned.

But after your 2 tries, my recommendation would be to move on to another totally different TV. However, it seems like you are intent trying to make it work with this particular model, and I guess this is what some people here find confusing. Why not move on to something else?

Personally speaking, I had tried 2 Samsungs that sucked real bad. But no problem, I moved onto the 553. And I'm not a Vizio fanboy either. If anything, I was trying to stay away from Vizio because I always had this feeling that Vizio was an inferior brand. But all the good reviews on the 553 convinced me to give it a try, and now I'm glad I went with Vizio.


Regarding your pics here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post19742327

... something that would help would be a comparison of that exact same Doom scene on another non-Vizio TV, just to see what it should really look like without your blooming. I don't have Doom, otherwise I would have taken a look myself on my Vizio and on my smaller Samsung.

Thats a good question CS... I'm not sure yet really. Right now I have one unit sitting on the floor and another wall mounted and two giant boxes in my living room lol. Im not sure what Im gonna do yet. Ill inform when I do something though. Thank for the reply's!

Wow...you have already wall mounted one? I wall mounted mine, but not until I was sure I was keeping it...but that only took few hours of watching/using the TV.

But with that reply, I am guessing you are not as dissatisfied as your posts make you seem to be.

Seems to me that posters that have some blooming problems, but also think their set's PQ is OK, Great and etc are lost between 2 worlds. That of a Home Theater type viewing and a Regular TV viewing environment. And they would like to have it at a very economical price, plus is also economical to operate. Can not blame them.

Through the technology of a LCD with full dimming backlite LEDs, with their blackest blacks and other advanced schemes, brings the hope of being able to achieve the Home Theater scene with it. But everything has its limits. Maybe another generation or two?

I'm not sure if that is what they are trying to achieve, but this is the impression I'm left with.

Plasma for the theater environment, LCD for every thing else? With nothing between...

But maybe there has been a chunk of sub-par sets shipped? Unless your communicating to Vizio about the blooming, and let them try and fix your set, how will the problem be resolved? Will it be lost in space?

Tom

I don't think that was there before the last update,but your right that is slick and handy. Thanks for pointing that out.

My old one is mounted they didnt come pick it up yet.

Tom, I think you mentioned that you have no blooming? As with the others that have no blooming or minimal at best. I want what you guys have. My pics show blooming, you guys say none exist in your sets. Thats what I want. Want to trade sets?

Thanks.
I have absolutely zero buzzing...I don't have the best of hearing even though I'm only 30 years old, but my wife has sonar ears and she said she can't any buzzing whatsoever either and we are only sitting 12 ft away.

The picture is amazing. I was always kind of antiplasma because I always heard the early horror stories of reflections and burn in etc....but I have to say I'm in love with this tv. Blacks are dark, colors burst and picture is sharp.....what more could I ask for?

Feel for you buddy, but come on over a see one for yourself. :-))

Then, ASAP, you'd call Vizio Tech at 1-877-698-4946 and tell them your problem and for them to fix it! Be sure to get your case number. And tell them there might be a chunk of them out here like yours. Point them to this thread and the blooming pictures.

Seriously... Good luck!

Tom

That feature was available before the firmware update. When I added a second city to the Accuweather app, I was frustrated that the second city was always displayed by default when I pushed the Via apps button. I just happened to notice the arrow, and found that it scrolls through the cities in the app.


Dustin

I just experienced a new issue the other day. When trying to view the OSD from my Integra pre/pro (via HDMI monitor out), I am unable to do so. It seems like the Integra is attempting to output it but the 553 Vizio just displays 480P with a blue screen. Any ideas? My '06 Samsung that the Vizio replaced displayed it just fine.

My problem, of disappearing stars on SF shows when local dimming kicks in, seems to have been solved when I set the light sensor to medium. I had previously had it turned off.

Now I'm a lot happier as this issue bothered me a lot more than the little bit of blooming that I see on my set.

I'm reporting back about my Closed Captioning problems: So far, I only get CC working through the AV input of the Vizio, coming from my HDVR2 DirecTiVos through the AVR (Onkyo TX-NR708). I know the Tivos pass CC though on their S-Video outputs (the best they have) because I saw it on my old TV (with S-Video inputs). But, the Vizio does not have an S-Video input.

And, as I now know (from threads that have been going on for five years with this complaint) HDMI does not pass CC. (An "oversight" that, rightfully, has the deaf community up in arms!)

So, hoping to retain CC while improving picture somewhat, I bought an expensive S-Video to Component converter from these guys:
http://www.svideo.com/svc2ypbpr.html
who assured me that the converter (which is not an upscaler) would pass CC through.

Well, I got it hooked up, and, you guessed it - no CC on Component. Just like for the AV inputs, I have Analog CC1 selected (also Digital CC1).

I connected the converter to the S-Video Monitor out of the AVR, and the Component directly to the TV set. This is so I don't need 2 converters, one for each TiVo. The Onkyo claims to pass all analog signals through untouched.

So, either the converter is blocking the CC, or the Vizio does not really support CC on Component, even though it offers the CC menu choice (which it does NOT offer with HDMI inputs).

And, honestly, my wife and I can not tell the difference between the AV and Component signals on the screen, at least coming from the same source (SD TiVo).

Ouch...that's a pretty pricey piece. Shame it didn't work for you.

As for seeing any difference in PQ over component.....since that source is only 480i---you won't.

I apologize if this has already been discussed in this thread. I did a lot of searching and couldn't find it.

I have a TiVo HD hooked up to HDMI 1. I am using digital audio out from the Vizio 553SV into a Sony receiver. Had the same exact setup working with a Sony LCD.

Most of the times when I change channels or tuners on the TiVo, I get a brief, but annoying, crackling sound in the right speaker.

I'm assuming this may be an HDMI dropout problem and am considering replacing the Sony receiver with one from this century that has HDMI inputs/output and more than one digital audio input.

Any ideas?