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OCT 7, 2011 - Anyone else got a VIA widget update on the xvt3sv? Vizio logo started blinking and non of the VIA App worked, then I got a message saying "A software update on Widget was download. Please turn the TV off, then turn it back on and press the Widget button to complete the update." After doing all this - it installed but then I didn't see anything "new" on the VIA App.
Vizio announced on Facebook(August) that they will be adding YouTube this fall(2011) on the widget - I still don't see it...
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Tomcat, Cawgijoe and TransplntBuckeye thanks for responding to my post. The model I saw was the XVT553SV. I planned to go Friday to Costco when I realized my AMEX card had expired. So AMEX is sending out my new card which I will receive it by Monday. I hope the 553 is still there when I go back.

I have one last question and an observation.

1. Does a fully backlit LED set with local dimming provide a better picture than a CCFL LCD?


Observation:

Costco now offers Squaretrade which extends the warranty from 2 years to 5 years at the following costs. I am usually against extended warranties but for $59 I will have piece of mind with the 553 for 5 years. My last Toshiba 52" LCD last only 3 years and 3 months.

$29 for a TV under $500
$59 for a TV under $1000
$99 for a TV over $1000

Thanks for reading my post.
post #4503 of 4754
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE View Post

Tomcat, Cawgijoe and TransplntBuckeye thanks for responding to my post. The model I saw was the XVT553SV. I planned to go Friday to Costco when I realized my AMEX card had expired. So AMEX is sending out my new card which I will receive it by Monday. I hope the 553 is still there when I go back.

I have one last question and an observation.

1. Does a fully backlit LED set with local dimming provide a better picture than a CCFL LCD?


Observation:

Costco now offers Squaretrade which extends the warranty from 2 years to 5 years at the following costs. I am usually against extended warranties but for $59 I will have piece of mind with the 553 for 5 years. My last Toshiba 52" LCD last only 3 years and 3 months.

$29 for a TV under $500
$59 for a TV under $1000
$99 for a TV over $1000

Thanks for reading my post.

I saw that too and those are good prices for extended warranties.

But, You got your 553 for under $1000.00?
post #4504 of 4754
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Originally Posted by TomCat View Post

As a Vizio owner, I do have a few problems with their sets that may be relevant here.
1) Operational reliability. There seems to be a greater percentage of sets than normal that have issues out of the box. I have not seen them, except for some minor deinterlace issues on my 22" 2009 model. My 2011 XVT has been rock solid. But I think it is a real risk that you might not have to take (or at least the odds are a bit lower) with other manufacturers. Of course all of these issues have remedies, but they're still just a PITA.

2) Calibration. These sets are in dire need of calibration out of the box. Once done, however, they rival almost any other sets out there, beating those in the same price range and nearly matching those that cost way too much.

3) Color fidelity. It's not great. Sony blows the doors off Vizio in this category. It may not be an issue, however. Flesh tones are still great, blacks and whites are still great. Its just that greens may be a little bluer, reds a little too orange, etc., and this can not really be adjusted out without sacrificing flesh tones or color temp. If you can live with that, then it is really no problem. I still wince when I see our Sonys at work and how much better they are with color fidelity, however. And the problem is that you can't just compare the Sony to the Vizio side by side in a store, as it takes significant adjustments to make the Vizio look right. If you can see them side by side and the Vizio looks pretty close to the Sony to your personal eye, buy the Viz and calibrate it.

4) Noise reduction. Don't get me wrong, the Viz does a great job of that. The only problem is there is no provision to turn it all the way off. There is still some residual processing going on, which you can see in noisy dark areas of the picture and which unfortunately contribute to a sort of "plastic" unrealistic look to faces. If you are not a fan of the "soap opera" look, which seems to be related to more than just 120 Hz on these sets, this may be a problem for you. On the other hand, how they have the NR set is not that far from what most people would want anyway, but I still would like to be able to turn it off or down a little more. Again, if its not a problem for you, its not a problem.

5) Gamma setting. MIA. There are still some roundabout ways to set gamma that will result in very good black performance, but it is sort of an arcane method buried in the menus and not really a true gamma setting. With enough tweaking it is acceptable, but I would like to see more direct control in this area. That all said, I have no buyer's remorse at all. There may be better sets at twice the price, but not at this price, and this is actually plenty good enough. I can't afford a $4000 AVR either, but what I can afford does nearly as good of a job and is acceptable. I am happy with that and happy with the Viz, and with the above caveats, recommend them highly.

Where they really excel is in the pixel fill factor (how much of each pixel appears to be lit and how much of the screen appears to be a black frame around each pixel). I watch from pretty close, and the Viz regularly beats all other 1080p sets in this category (which is only important if you do watch from a close distance). You can verify this in the showroom by standing as close as you can before you can distinguish the pixels from each other. This happens at a noticeably further distance with all other sets, in my experience, making this set have a more-solid picture at a closer viewing distance. To me, that's important. If you watch from a normal or far distance, probably not so much.

Consumer Reports indicates Vizio is really no better, and no worse than any other major brand when it comes to reliability (IOW, average) . I would be interested in hearing what evidence you have that would show CR is incorrect.

The Consumer Reports numbers are posted in a few places on this thread.
post #4505 of 4754
Hello all,

Consumer Reports states that the 2D picture on the XVT3D4SV should be the same as the 3SV. Is this true?

Also, I can only find that set online (Amazon or Sam's Club). I'd really prefer to pick it up at a local Costco. They told me that they are not going to be getting the 4SV in, but are scheduled to "sometime" get the m550sr. Will that be a successor to to the 4SV?

Thanks in advance for your replies!
post #4506 of 4754
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Originally Posted by WannaBinHD View Post

Hello all,

Consumer Reports states that the 2D picture on the XVT3D4SV should be the same as the 3SV. Is this true?

Also, I can only find that set online (Amazon or Sam's Club). I'd really prefer to pick it up at a local Costco. They told me that they are not going to be getting the 4SV in, but are scheduled to "sometime" get the m550sr. Will that be a successor to to the 4SV?

Thanks in advance for your replies!

No. It's successor is the Vizio XVT3D556SP.
post #4507 of 4754
I have a stereo receiver for sound, and my cable box for video. With the Vizio remote, the white accessory power button next to the input button only seems to turn on/off my cable box. The red power button turns off the TV. How in the world do I turn on/off my receiver from the remote though?
post #4508 of 4754
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Originally Posted by Burnerbum View Post

I saw that too and those are good prices for extended warranties.

But, You got your 553 for under $1000.00?




My mistake. The 553 I saw is $1150. I was looking at another Vizio for $899 and got them confused. I hope the 553 is there when I return on Monday.
post #4509 of 4754
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE View Post

My mistake. The 553 I saw is $1150. I was looking at another Vizio for $899 and got them confused. I hope the 553 is there when I return on Monday.

That is a great buy, the 553 has an excellent picture. I would be surprised if somebody didn't snatch that up. But hopefully you will get lucky.
post #4510 of 4754
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE View Post

...I have one last question...

1. Does a fully backlit LED set with local dimming provide a better picture than a CCFL LCD?...

In my view, absolutely.

The local dimming alone means the absolute black level is zero, for all intents and purposes. There are some artifacts introduced, such as halos around bright objects on a dark screen, but those are far less objectionable than an absolute black level that is so high as to looked washed out. This brings an LCD into the realm of plasma as far as black response goes, and does not have the penalties of burn-in, poor performance in bright environments, high cost, and ridiculously poor power consumption. It's not quite as good as plasma because of those artifacts, but now rivals it as a choice.

And there is another significant advantage, especially if you get a TV with an IPS screen, which is that there are no hot spots and the fall-off at wide viewing angles is gone. If you view a CFL and move your head, you can see the hot spot move with it, especially in the vertical plane. A CFL will show a different contrast and brightness ratio in different parts of the picture, and the closer you are the worse this gets, because it depends upon the angle of your eye to any part of the screen, which differs, and differs more the closer you are. This can result in too much contrast at the top of the screen and too little at the bottom. Its a compromise with how contrast and brightness are set for the center of the screen, and it is very obvious and annoying. On a LED with local dimming, each part of the picture has the same exact contrast and brightness performance. It looks like a photograph.
post #4511 of 4754
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Originally Posted by sasmallen View Post

Consumer Reports indicates Vizio is really no better, and no worse than any other major brand when it comes to reliability (IOW, average) . I would be interested in hearing what evidence you have that would show CR is incorrect...

I will grant you that my evidence regarding infant mortality of Viz products is neither scientific nor all that comprehensive; it is only based on exhaustive research done on the internet forums, for the most part. This does leave room for error. I never positioned myself as an expert, just posting what I have encountered. That does not mean it does not have worth to those who want to know these things and have not had the time to do much research. It probably does have worth to them. And infant mortality is somewhat different than overall reliability. They are related, yet not quite the same thing, so evidence regarding one does not invalidate evidence regarding the other.

And CR is not the expert source many seem to think it is. They give 3 grad student interns 2 days to play with 15 models of TVs, and then give their opinion to a supervising editor, who either writes or assigns the article to someone else. If you swallow whole what they print, then you deserve to get blindsided when you find out the hard way that they have only a limited view based on minimal sketchy research, that they do not really have any experts on staff (who could afford to hire an expert for every product category?), and that there is much more to the story. You have to look at motivation, and theirs is to write articles and sell magazines while expending the least amount of effort and overhead, and to validate their own self-appointed expertness at the expense of readers who, since no one ever calls them out on it, have no way to know any better. They are a cheap operation with questionable findings, in my opinion.

They are far from experts, probably much further than a broadcast Engineer with a well-trained eye who has been evaluating video images for decades and getting paid rather well for it. CR seems to be expert until they pick a subject you are expert in, and then the curtain is pulled back and we see them for what they really are. You can test this theory yourself, as you are probably an expert in some area. When they pick your area, their significant limitations will become all too clear to you.

I think they added a lot to the discussion of high frame rates and what that might mean for the viewing experience. It was very revealing, yet as usual, it was a small part of the story. As usual, they did the bare minimum to come up with that article. And that was the rare exception; sometimes their reports are more harmful than helpful simply because of their tendency to only scratch the surface as little as possible and are therefore oversimplified and can lead consumers to an uninformed decision that may be worse than if they had questioned that research and done the due diligence to find out just how accurate they were. CR is a short cut that leaves a lot of the real view obstructed.

I do think CR may be correct when it comes to things like repair rates. That may be more comprehensive than either one person's surfing history or a couple of non-experts devoting a few hours comparing toasters, and I will not challenge them on that. But I do challenge them on nearly everything else and I feel that is self-serving and dangerous for them to cultivate the illusion that they are the last word on anything. They aren't. They are just one more resource to be taken with a grain of salt, just like every post on the internet.
post #4512 of 4754
Tomcat


Great response and very well written. I appreciate your opinion. I have not read a consumer report since the 90's.


*Update*

I went to Costco today and the 553 was gone...Back to the drawing board......
post #4513 of 4754
I have subscribed to CR for twenty five years now. I use their reviews and testing along with internet reviews and other magazine reviews, either paper or on-line before making a decision.

CR does have good equipment and knowledgable folks working for them and in my opinion does a good job testing. With that said, they do weigh their tests towards good value for the money. You have to look at the categories they base their tests on and decide what is important to you.

They are definitely a good source when it comes to reliabilty as subscribers do respond to their yearly survey and it's a large segment of users.

SLUDGE - you may want to ask at the service desk of Costco on whether they will receive any more.....it's possible.....or other stores may have them in your area......
post #4514 of 4754
I living in europe and I have a Vizio TV from US of course. I'm not able to set the tuner. The input source is Cable. When I set the automatic scan it is shows all the channels but no pictures and sound just a black pictures with a buzzing sound. We have a PAL-B here instead of NTSC.
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The tuner is only NTSC, and it will not accept PAL video inputs but it will display PAL if run through an audio receiver connected to the TV with HDMI.
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Atsc
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ATSC and NTSC. And QAM.
post #4518 of 4754
I just received my second notice for the extended warranty from vizio. I have the 553. Is it worth the money? Has anyone else bought it? Its an additional 4 years for $349.95.

I've only had 1 magor issue, the distorted/no sound on startup and a new main board fixed that. The only other thing it has done is once in a great while on startup the picture comes up then about 3 seconds later it goes to snow, and keeps alternating from pic to snow. It rarely does this and powering off and back on fixes it. I believe it may be just a handshake issue.
post #4519 of 4754
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Originally Posted by zoodski View Post

I just received my second notice for the extended warranty from vizio. I have the 553. Is it worth the money? Has anyone else bought it? Its an additional 4 years for $349.95.

I've only had 1 magor issue, the distorted/no sound on startup and a new main board fixed that. The only other thing it has done is once in a great while on startup the picture comes up then about 3 seconds later it goes to snow, and keeps alternating from pic to snow. It rarely does this and powering off and back on fixes it. I believe it may be just a handshake issue.

I have both issues you described with my 553. On a cold start the pictures is sometimes distorted and the sound is scratchy. I need to call them and have the board replaced. As far as the snow, I have also seen this on 2 of my vizio sets. It's rare and since it's on both sets I assume it is the HDMI handshake. That HDMI is a pain sometimes.
post #4520 of 4754
Debating whether to get the extended warranty for my 553- have to do it by December 7th. I've had no problems on startup, I never use the internal sound so I don't know if that works or not, and only get the 'snow' occasionally when switching sources through my receiver which is hooked with HDMI to the TV. I had the main board replaced a few months ago because the internet apps quit working (they wouldn't come up at all when hitting the VIA button.)

I'd normally be willing to risk just having to pay whatever it costs for a repair if it has problems later, but sounds like they're making it difficult just to do that. My rule though is that if any electronics die prematurely and I have to replace them, the replacement will NOT be from the same brand!
post #4521 of 4754
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Originally Posted by TomCat View Post


And CR is not the expert source many seem to think it is.......


...... They are just one more resource to be taken with a grain of salt, just like every post on the internet.

One damn fine summation TomCat! For those just reading my clipped quotes above...Please go back and read TC's entire post. I didn't snip his comments to purely bash CR as they do have their place and function for the masses on quick "safe bet" products. I use em just as frequently as I do comfort food.

Bottom line like Tom says is, "Experts" should take expert advice as far as THEY can.
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Originally Posted by Possum View Post

One damn fine summation TomCat! For those just reading my clipped quotes above...Please go back and read TC's entire post. I didn't snip his comments to purely bash CR as they do have their place and function for the masses on quick "safe bet" products. I use em just as frequently as I do comfort food.

Bottom line like Tom says is, "Experts" should take expert advice as far as THEY can.

OK, I can live with that summation. Thanks for the kind words, BTW.

Honestly, I would like to clarify for those who may think otherwise that I didn't set out to bash them either. But they need to have the curtain pulled back once in a while so that we don't get a false impression that they are all-knowing and omnipotent. I think it better serves those using them as a resource if they don't get that false impression. A little sunlight is a great disinfectant.

And let me say a few good things about CR. First, having CR as a resource is a lot better than not having them. They do provide a valuable service, and I use them myself. And it makes good business sense for them to posture themselves as the experts; it just makes better practical sense for those who use CR to understand that they are really just offering a somewhat narrowly-held opinion based on limited research and limited understanding.

But that sort of defines them as "NOT-experts", which is a definition they probably are not that comfortable with. But it is what is is, and there is nothing wrong with any of that; and as long as they don't get lazy and rest on their laurels or a reputation they may not deserve, I wish them a long and healthy life (which is probably not exactly what they would wish for me).
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As a follow up, I usually start my education on sites like CR, CNET, etc and see what they have to say. Nice place to start. But then I come here with a "candidate list" and see what the real life users have to say from home experience, not sterile lab experience. I take all of that info together to make my decisions (leaning a little more heavily on AVS than any other reviews). Personally, I think there may be some jading on professional reviewers for various reasons but they shouldn't be discounted out all together. For a new person, they are a good place to start.
post #4524 of 4754
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Originally Posted by TomCat View Post

OK, I can live with that summation. Thanks for the kind words, BTW.

Honestly, I would like to clarify for those who may think otherwise that I didn't set out to bash them either. But they need to have the curtain pulled back once in a while so that we don't get a false impression that they are all-knowing and omnipotent. I think it better serves those using them as a resource if they don't get that false impression. A little sunlight is a great disinfectant.

And let me say a few good things about CR. First, having CR as a resource is a lot better than not having them. They do provide a valuable service, and I use them myself. And it makes good business sense for them to posture themselves as the experts; it just makes better practical sense for those who use CR to understand that they are really just offering a somewhat narrowly-held opinion based on limited research and limited understanding.

But that sort of defines them as "NOT-experts", which is a definition they probably are not that comfortable with. But it is what is is, and there is nothing wrong with any of that; and as long as they don't get lazy and rest on their laurels or a reputation they may not deserve, I wish them a long and healthy life (which is probably not exactly what they would wish for me).

Excellent follow-up. I, too, value CR and what they do to an extent. Anyone reading their reviews and recommendations needs to understand and consider CR's testing limitations, as well as their inherent political/lifestyle point of reference.

As a subscriber, I do get miffed at how much of the content in many issues is a rehash of past tests and reviews, and how often they regurgitate the same basic content. How often do we need to see the same review of kitchen countertops and flooring? It really doesn't change much year to year, and neither do their recommendations.
post #4525 of 4754
Will this tv be sold in 2012?

Thx
Arc
post #4526 of 4754
Looking at this unit while in Sams yesterday...I am not in the market for a new monitor, but the price and the pic looked pretty attractive..so much so that I almost bought it on impulse...now I am thinking I might be in the market for a bigger size (currently have 46)...also looked at the Sharp 60 inch 832 series. Never thought I would look at a Sharp or Vizio (having owned pioneer and currently have Sammy), but these look pretty good for a great price to boot...I need to go back through this thread and get the lowdown on the vizio it appears
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Originally Posted by gtsum2 View Post

Looking at this unit while in Sams yesterday...I am not in the market for a new monitor, but the price and the pic looked pretty attractive..so much so that I almost bought it on impulse...now I am thinking I might be in the market for a bigger size (currently have 46)...also looked at the Sharp 60 inch 832 series. Never thought I would look at a Sharp or Vizio (having owned pioneer and currently have Sammy), but these look pretty good for a great price to boot...I need to go back through this thread and get the lowdown on the vizio it appears

I had a samsung 6500 series and it was crap. Everything dark blurred against light (read the thread about that). They replaced parts then replaced the whole unit and it still did it. After they bought it back I bought this 55" 553 and it is as good, if not better than the Samsung UN55C6500
post #4528 of 4754
A couple questions:
I'm currently on my second TV from Amazon, the 1st being a Toshiba 46SL412U and and now a LG LW6500, and I was pretty happy with it, till I watched HEAT and Inception and the black levels are pretty annoying, though the viewing angle is very good.
How good are the Black Levels with the XVT3D474SV? That is one the biggest distractions for me. The viewing angle seems as though it also might be a concern, but I cant imagine it being any worse than the Toshiba.
I need to make a decision before the 14th whether I should send the LG back to Amazon for the XVT3D474SV.
Thanx in advance for any suggestions, recommendations or insight.
post #4529 of 4754
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Originally Posted by ratchetrizzo View Post

I had a samsung 6500 series and it was crap. Everything dark blurred against light (read the thread about that). They replaced parts then replaced the whole unit and it still did it. After they bought it back I bought this 55" 553 and it is as good, if not better than the Samsung UN55C6500

Ditto, I had the same Samsung for about 2 months and finally returned it. I had an intermittent problem with it with the picture flickering. It happened even when I used my BR player. When I called Samsung they told me that they would send someone out and if they didn't see the problem I would have to pay for the service call. What part of intermittent don't they understand. I returned the set. Plus the built in sound sounded like talking through tin cans. It was terrible. I just wanted a set with the glossy screen and until the 554 came out Vizio didn't offer one. I'm extremely happy with my 554. Also have the 553 which is also an excellent set.
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Originally Posted by Sidebite View Post

...How good are the Black Levels with the XVT3D474SV? That is one the biggest distractions for me. The viewing angle seems as though it also might be a concern, but I cant imagine it being any worse than the Toshiba...

Let me respond generally to this: A plasma has the best absolute black level and best response in blacks and greys (but there are a lot of other things that it does not do as well as LCDs, such as brightness levels, freedom from burn-in, and operating costs). Very close behind are LED LCDs with full backlighting and local dimming. Very close behind them are LED LCDs with edge lighting and local dimming. Much further down the list would be LCDs with CFL lighting or LEDs with no local dimming.

The Vizios rival plasmas in this regard; one reviewer claims they have the best blacks since the Panny Kuro, which is an extinct yet legendary performer that cost 5-6K$.

Viewing angle is also terrific, due to IPS technology. My Viz looks virtually the same from 50-60 degrees off axis horizontally and vertically as it does straight on, and there is absolutely no hotspotting. It is still watchable up to 89 degrees off axis, the colors stay the same but the blacks meld into a dark grey after about 60 degrees off axis.

Most LCDs turn completely to crap just 10-15 degrees off axis, especially in the vertical plane, where one part of the screen will have a different contrast than another part, simply because the viewing angle from anywhere is different to the top of the screen compared to the angle from that same point to the bottom of the screen, which causes hot spots and is a compromise which I find completely unacceptable.
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