I may be in the market to buy new subs soon. I have a large room 23X13X8 and I want to go with two subs. Which one SVS or Outlaw Audio?
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7/13/10 at 9:33am
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My personal suggestion would be the SVS subs. I am also looking at dual PC-12NSD's (Cylinder version of the same sub) for a the living room that is 16x14x8 and open to the dining room which is 12x9x8. Total footage of 2700^3. You are at 2400^3 (provided your room doesnt "see" any other rooms") so they would work great for you.
I have emailed SVS many times with questions concerning how much bass I want in my space and they have suggested the dual NSD's. I have really enjoyed how good their service has been to somone that doesnt even own their product. That alone helped me with my decision I hear nothing but good things about them here as well.
Another suggestion would be looking at dual Epik Empires. They would cost more but some folks really enjoy theirs lol.
I can say that between the those two companies (Epik, SVS) SVS is much quicker in their response. I sent an email to each company within minutes of each other and got a response from SVS within 2 hours, whereas Epik took 3 days.
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They both seem to be equal in terms of performance, I would go with which ever you like best or will fit your needs better in terms of size, aestetics, configuration of the sub.
Things I like about my dual LFM-1 + subs:
Things I like about my dual LFM-1 + subs:
- Smaller enclosure (footprint)
- Looks nice with the black plexi on top (my opinion)
- Downward firing driver/ports (great if you have kids)
- Can tune it to be in max extension/max output mode - you can tune each to be the same mode or have one of each and get the best of both worlds.
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7/13/10 at 10:51am
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Another thing worth mentioning is the PC-12NSD which is a cylinder sub w/ the same performance. It is also downfiring so its kid/pet freindly. It has a smaller footprint, but does stand much higher (35"), and is lighter than the box version.
Also worth noting is that they just refreshed the SB models (sealed versions) w/ new drivers and new amps. Might be worth waiting to see if they do the same for the ported, or wait to see if they drop the prices on the models w/ the older amp.
Also worth noting is that they just refreshed the SB models (sealed versions) w/ new drivers and new amps. Might be worth waiting to see if they do the same for the ported, or wait to see if they drop the prices on the models w/ the older amp.
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7/13/10 at 11:10am
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7/13/10 at 11:14am
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Also an option, however since he has mentioned the Outlaw and SVS subs my bet is that those might top his budget and the Epik is about 100 more than the SVS.
But they are a good bet as well, as long as they are still on sale of course lol
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7/14/10 at 6:18am
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While nice the OP has mentioned once or twice he is hoping to find downfiring which is why I suggested the PC-12NSD. All the benefits of the PB but lighter and downfiring.
Ed does make excellent subs as well however so those are by no means a bad option either.
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Originally Posted by reverse 
They both seem to be equal in terms of performance, I would go with which ever you like best or will fit your needs better in terms of size, aestetics, configuration of the sub.
Things I like about my dual LFM-1 + subs:

They both seem to be equal in terms of performance, I would go with which ever you like best or will fit your needs better in terms of size, aestetics, configuration of the sub.
Things I like about my dual LFM-1 + subs:
- Smaller enclosure (footprint)
- Looks nice with the black plexi on top (my opinion)
- Downward firing driver/ports (great if you have kids)
- Can tune it to be in max extension/max output mode - you can tune each to be the same mode or have one of each and get the best of both worlds.
Have you tried running one sub in each mode to get the best of both worlds? I currently am running 2 subs one far field front wall and one near field on side wall next to sofa, if I make the purchase of the LFM-1+ subs how do you think it would be to put the far one in max output mode and the near one in max extension mode. I know you will probably say experiment and try for myself and that it depends on the room, just lookin for your opinion.
So far the only thing I like better about the specs on the LFM-1+ over the SVS is that it has variable port tuning.
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7/14/10 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru 
Have you tried running one sub in each mode to get the best of both worlds? I currently am running 2 subs one far field front wall and one near field on side wall next to sofa, if I make the purchase of the LFM-1+ subs how do you think it would be to put the far one in max output mode and the near one in max extension mode.

Have you tried running one sub in each mode to get the best of both worlds? I currently am running 2 subs one far field front wall and one near field on side wall next to sofa, if I make the purchase of the LFM-1+ subs how do you think it would be to put the far one in max output mode and the near one in max extension mode.
Your description of how you would set them up for your room is how I would try it, the only issue you have to deal with when placing a sub behind you is phase issues with your mains/front sub (use REW to fine tune your settings).
I've run the subs in each mode before and liked it but for my room it wasn't needed. I get a 5db boost by having the duals as is, therefore don't need to run one in max output mode. In your situation, it would probably be beneficial since each sub won't be in close proximity of each other and therefore you won't get that additional boost, just a smoother response.
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Your description of how you would set them up for your room is how I would try it, the only issue you have to deal with when placing a sub behind you is phase issues with your mains/front sub (use REW to fine tune your settings).
I've run the subs in each mode before and liked it but for my room it wasn't needed. I get a 5db boost by having the duals as is, therefore don't need to run one in max output mode. In your situation, it would probably be beneficial since each sub won't be in close proximity of each other and therefore you won't get that additional boost, just a smoother response.

Your description of how you would set them up for your room is how I would try it, the only issue you have to deal with when placing a sub behind you is phase issues with your mains/front sub (use REW to fine tune your settings).
I've run the subs in each mode before and liked it but for my room it wasn't needed. I get a 5db boost by having the duals as is, therefore don't need to run one in max output mode. In your situation, it would probably be beneficial since each sub won't be in close proximity of each other and therefore you won't get that additional boost, just a smoother response.
Thanx for the feedback. The reasoning you gave for why it might be beneficial to me to run each in a different mode was exactly what I was thinking.
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