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post #751 of 3870
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Those vendors boxes had composite and/or svideo outputs.
Which is what macrovision is for. The PopBox does not have any composite or Svideo outputs, so I have no idea how you can make that statement. The only clear info is that macrovision is for composite and Svideo. If a device does not have those outputs, what is the point of having macrovision protection?

It's more than Macrovision. That's the issue.
post #752 of 3870
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Okay it looks like the 8643 not only lacks macrovision but also lacks on chip SSL type encryption for the data moving on the device bus itself.

Apparently this was exactly what WD ran into with the Live, and therefore had to come out with the WD Live Plus with a chip that supported this SSL encryption on the chipset itself to get Netflix approved.

If WD had to jump through those hoops it is very hard for me to believe that Netflix will bend the rules for the Popbox.

I also believe that the statements Syabas employees have made that the 8643 chipset supporting premium content are patently false. How can they say this when they know the 8643 does not meet this strict SSL requirement that Netflix have?

It seems that they are hoping they can negotiate with Netflix to get this approved, perhaps in exchange for free in-box advertising, etc, but I think the chance of Netflix doing this are low, and the chance of an HD capable Netflix service on the Popbox are exactly zero.

There is a lot of confusion regarding this subject. Let me see if I can help.
The 8643 does indeed not support Macrovision. As PopBox doesn't have standard definition (Composite or S-Video) outputs it doesn't need or require Macrovision to support premium content services.

The other issue regarding security. This fallls generaly in the category of security keys, cypher and decryption. The chip set in PopBox supports the required security functions to enable a wide varity of premium content services.
post #753 of 3870
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Those vendors boxes had composite and/or svideo outputs.
Which is what macrovision is for. The PopBox does not have any composite or Svideo outputs, so I have no idea how you can make that statement. The only clear info is that macrovision is for composite and Svideo. If a device does not have those outputs, what is the point of having macrovision protecttion?

None whatsoever. As was just noted by popboxteam, component uses CGMS-A and hdmi uses HDCP. So with no analog (SD) output, it would appear their outputs are covered.
post #754 of 3870
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Originally Posted by popboxteam View Post

There is a lot of confusion regarding this subject. Let me see if I can help.
The 8643 does indeed not support Macrovision. As PopBox doesn't have standard definition (Composite or S-Video) outputs it doesn't need or require Macrovision to support premium content services.

The other issue regarding security. This fallls generaly in the category of security keys, cypher and decryption. The chip set in PopBox supports the required security functions to enable a wide varity of premium content services.

Thanks for providing the information. The proof is in the pudding so to speak, I guess we'll know if and when a premium content provider offers support for the Popbox.
post #755 of 3870
Well at least it finally makes sense why they left composite out off from the popbox. They used the chip that wasn't capable of macrovision so with composite out they wouldn't be able to have netflix.

Now we know why they did it.
post #756 of 3870
Took me an hour to read all of 25 pages! Well caught up now. PopBox has been sitting at home since Friday unopened. Will open it tonite but will surely look forward to the release tomorrow and more in the next few weeks.
Looks like we've got a long way to go even before asking the "Netflix" availability date, LOL. In any case, plan to keep it until my 30 days run out with Amazon before I take the decision to keep it or send it back. Until then, WD Live would be a good complement to this player for me.

@Popboxteam/Krishna: It would be very helpful to know whether there are plans to make Netflix available as well using the box in the near future, if you're at liberty to say so.
post #757 of 3870
I know if i wouldnt use macrovision, i wouldnt want to pay for the license on every box i made either.
post #758 of 3870
I will be opening up my second PopBox this evening. So now I won't have to move the one box back and forth between locations. I still haven't decided about the third one. I'll leave that one unopened for the time being.
post #759 of 3870
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Originally Posted by jethroz99 View Post

I know if i wouldnt use macrovision, i wouldnt want to pay for the license on every box i made either.

As far as I know the WD Live+ doesn't have composite video output either, so why are they paying extra for a secure chip on their box?
post #760 of 3870
They do have composite out on the WD Live +

Interface
Ethernet, HDMI, Composite A/V, Component video, USB 2.0


That is why I said earlier that we know why they left it off. It was discussed in another thread why didn't they include composite on the box like WD Live plus did when people were upset that that couldn't use it on their SD tv.
post #761 of 3870
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

As far as I know the WD Live+ doesn't have composite video output either, so why are they paying extra for a secure chip on their box?

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=832

Interface: Ethernet, HDMI, Composite A/V, Component video, USB 2.0
post #762 of 3870
Its possible that WD lacked other avenues of security that netflix required. AKA the CGMS-A that the popbox has.

So WD had to update their hardware and decided to go with the full "even" signa chip instead of other options (CGMS-A) like what sybas decided to go with.

Sybas could be negotiating price, CGMS-A usage or other. We won't know until we are told yeah or neah on netflix...

I am also glad that PBT has added some info on the security questions.
post #763 of 3870
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Originally Posted by Swamibob View Post

They do have composite out on the WD Live +

Interface
Ethernet, HDMI, Composite A/V, Component video, USB 2.0

Fair enough. I had only seen photos in reviews and did not see the mini RCA that they use to break it out until I looked again.
post #764 of 3870
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

As far as I know the WD Live+ doesn't have composite video output either, so why are they paying extra for a secure chip on their box?

You probably missed it because its done through a special connector, and does not have composite/s-video outputs on the back of the unit itself.

*edit* of which you just saw. posts coming too fast to keep up with in this thread!
post #765 of 3870
I just got my PopBox and am suprised to say it's not as bad as I thought. Ya there are some bugs and stuff but not too bad. Really don't know what everyone is complaining about.
post #766 of 3870
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Would love to see what you think about it.. especially in comparison to the Dune player you are supposed to be reviewing for us!

2 people say open the door, 2 people say dont!!!

Today is camera day with the popbox and the dune
post #767 of 3870
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

2 people say open the door, 2 people say dont!!!

Today is camera day with the popbox and the dune

Open it, but just a little, enough to slide the box in, and shut it quickly!
post #768 of 3870
Hello all, just got done reading the 25 pages of information here. I am a little upset for the quality of the UI and the quirks because I did not volunteer for a beta program but because of the success of the popcorn hour I am going to stay around and see what the firmwares come up with.

My biggest question is last night i turned on my box and had an external DVD drive hooked up to see if it would work, a screen came up saying no media or what not (no dvd in) i put one in and the movie loaded right up and played awesome. I also saw a bootup screen that let me pick the USB UI, popbox UI, or external HDD UI....I put a movie in now and nothing, no UI boot menu or anything...how do I get back there? This would be great for my daughters movies and all...is there some special code or something odd to get me back into that menu to pick my external USB DVD drive? Please help...thanks.
post #769 of 3870
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Originally Posted by catch22p View Post

I just got my PopBox and am suprised to say it's not as bad as I thought. Ya there are some bugs and stuff but not too bad. Really don't know what everyone is complaining about.

Sound will be a feature supported in an upcoming firmware release.

Have you checked the menus to see if there is a place to choose to have sound output either through the hdmi or the optical port?
post #770 of 3870
I received a couple of Popboxes on Friday and have a big issue with how the Popbox mistagged so many of my Movies and TV Shows. I have been able to work through many of my issues with the Popbox support team and thought I would share what I have discovered so far. I read through the 25 pages above and didn't see this info, so hopefully I am not posting stuff that was up there somewhere and I missed it. This info is probably pretty basic to those of you that have been streaming your media for years, but to those of you new to the game (like me) I hope this helps...
  • I had mistakely not named my movie directories or files well enough that the Popbox could grab the info from IMDB. For many of my files, once I renamed the directory or file to be more detailed, the info was properly imported from IMDB. If you name your files or folders in such a way that searching IMDB using your filename results in it finding your movie on the top of the list, you should be good to go.
  • You can force a rescan of your share by adding the share again. For example, if you already share "My Videos", don't delete it, just go back and re add the same share. It won't show up again in your list, but the Scan Status should change to Running. Many times I find I have to re add the share twice in a row to trigger the scan.
  • According to Popbox tech support, the Popbox should automatically purge the old mistagged video, but I have not found this to be the case. Typically I end up with the new properly tagged video, and the old mistagged video. I will look into this more when I get home later.
  • I still have a bunch of videos that aren't properly recognized even after renaming the files/folders. Now I haven't tried this yet, but Popbox support has responded to me and let me know that I can create an NFO file and it will use this NFO file to grab the proper info from IMDB. Here is the procedure they outlined in the e-mails.
    • Open up notepad and enter the URL for the IMDB listing.
    • Then save as filename.nfo and save it in the same directory as the video file (so if video file is Avatar.mkv, save the notepad as Avatar.nfo, then place it in the same folder as the video file)
    • If this is in the format {MovieName}\\Video_TS, put the NFO in the {MovieName} directory, not the VIDEO_TS
    • The NFO file has the higher priority and should be used to determine where to go in IMDB for the info.
  • Categorizing TV shows gets a little uglier. Currently you can either use a single NFO for the entire series, which results in all of the episodes having the same info, or you can create an NFO for each episode. I plan on trying the latter this evening for one of my series and seeing how much more work that will end up being.

Finally, I have been interfacing with Popbox support via phone and e-mail since opening the box on Friday have not had any problems with them (as far as tech support goes). I have been impressed that someone has personally responded to my e-mailed questions over the weekend (two on Saturday and two on Sunday) and that they worked with me on the phone on Friday until my firmware issue was fixed. Even though I am sure their tech support is taking a beating this weekend, they took the time to personally respond to me with a simple custom created step-by-step guide on how to create these NFO files to see if it addressed my needs. I appreciate that.

Well, I hope some of this information is helpful, and please don't beat me up too bad since this is my first post!
post #771 of 3870
I spent 6 hours on the phone with tech support and I am still unable to get popbox to recognize my shared folders.

I have
Windows 7 (64 bit)
2wire modem/router (AT&T -Uverse)

Popbox recognizes my pc but no folders show up

Can anyone help?

Do I have to open a port or something like slinbox?

Thanks
post #772 of 3870
@mc2472

I use XBMC for AppleTV right now and my media is stored on a Windows 7 x64 machine. At one point I had a problem with not being able to access shares. A program had forced an install of the Bing Toolbar, which I promptly uninstalled. But then my shares stopped working. It turns out that the Bing Toolbar installation also installed Windows Live Sign-in Assistant, which didn't uninstall when I removed the toolbar. This prevented shares from working with XBMC. Even the XBMC guys don't know why.

Check out Add/Remove Programs (or whatever they're calling it now in Windows 7) to see if Windows Live Sign-in Assistant is there. If so, uninstall it and hopefully your shares will work.
post #773 of 3870
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Originally Posted by CFara View Post

I received a couple of Popboxes on Friday and have a big issue with how the Popbox mistagged so many of my Movies and TV Shows. I have been able to work through many of my issues with the Popbox support team and thought I would share what I have discovered so far. I read through the 25 pages above and didn't see this info, so hopefully I am not posting stuff that was up there somewhere and I missed it. This info is probably pretty basic to those of you that have been streaming your media for years, but to those of you new to the game (like me) I hope this helps...
  • I had mistakely not named my movie directories or files well enough that the Popbox could grab the info from IMDB. For many of my files, once I renamed the directory or file to be more detailed, the info was properly imported from IMDB. If you name your files or folders in such a way that searching IMDB using your filename results in it finding your movie on the top of the list, you should be good to go.
  • You can force a rescan of your share by adding the share again. For example, if you already share "My Videos", don't delete it, just go back and re add the same share. It won't show up again in your list, but the Scan Status should change to Running. Many times I find I have to re add the share twice in a row to trigger the scan.
  • According to Popbox tech support, the Popbox should automatically purge the old mistagged video, but I have not found this to be the case. Typically I end up with the new properly tagged video, and the old mistagged video. I will look into this more when I get home later.
  • I still have a bunch of videos that aren't properly recognized even after renaming the files/folders. Now I haven't tried this yet, but Popbox support has responded to me and let me know that I can create an NFO file and it will use this NFO file to grab the proper info from IMDB. Here is the procedure they outlined in the e-mails.
    • Open up notepad and enter the URL for the IMDB listing.
    • Then save as filename.nfo and save it in the same directory as the video file (so if video file is Avatar.mkv, save the notepad as Avatar.nfo, then place it in the same folder as the video file)
    • If this is in the format {MovieName}\\Video_TS, put the NFO in the {MovieName} directory, not the VIDEO_TS
    • The NFO file has the higher priority and should be used to determine where to go in IMDB for the info.
  • Categorizing TV shows gets a little uglier. Currently you can either use a single NFO for the entire series, which results in all of the episodes having the same info, or you can create an NFO for each episode. I plan on trying the latter this evening for one of my series and seeing how much more work that will end up being.

Finally, I have been interfacing with Popbox support via phone and e-mail since opening the box on Friday have not had any problems with them (as far as tech support goes). I have been impressed that someone has personally responded to my e-mailed questions over the weekend (two on Saturday and two on Sunday) and that they worked with me on the phone on Friday until my firmware issue was fixed. Even though I am sure their tech support is taking a beating this weekend, they took the time to personally respond to me with a simple custom created step-by-step guide on how to create these NFO files to see if it addressed my needs. I appreciate that.

Well, I hope some of this information is helpful, and please don't beat me up too bad since this is my first post!

I thought it was already talked about and the Popbox WILL NOT read local .nfo files?

If it does give priority to local nfo that is very interesting.
post #774 of 3870
I had the same issue for not being able to read on a win 7 x64 setup. I went into the spot where you browse your network and I put in my username into the one tab and then clicked browse. All worked properly. I do not have a passwod, the username alone fixed this.
post #775 of 3870
I read that they would support nfo (no posters etc) files for movies, they did not say to what degree...

From that was posted above it sounds like they only support IMDB URL. It may not even be able to parse that URL from tagging performed by the various nfo apps out there.

Should be simple enough for people to test????
post #776 of 3870
Thanks CFara - this tagging info will help. i just wish it were as easy as XBMC on my AppleTV where you can fix the IMDB cover art by choosing from a list. Although manual, it is quick and seems to be the right route. Now we are forced to clean up our database by manually creating files in the folders? Cmon.
CFara - you state that customer service was not too bad since they responded to your multiple emails and phone calls - not a dig on you but thats like saying "..my chiropracter is awesome - i have been going to him for 10 years..." d'oh.

Cant wait till I open the box tonight and experience all the hiccups I am reading about.
post #777 of 3870
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Originally Posted by djvitamind View Post

So I have been messing with the Popbox Wireless for the last hour now. So far so good.

I have about 4 tb worth of HD movies all saved as .mkv and I simply added it to the Media Library in the settings and it started to scan the My Book World Edition II. Now the movies are showing up along with cover art all fetched from IMDB.

Some covers are wrong and you can edit them by searching for the right cover and selecting it.

I am streaming 1080p movies with no issues at all. Non like I initially had with my WDTV lives. It found my network asked for my key and that was really it.

Soundcast app does not seem to be working correctly as it keeps resetting the box. But YouTube works along with Twitter and Weatherbug.

I do notice my Pioneer VSX-1018AH is no longer displaying DTS and now displays PCM. It used to display DTS with the WDTV Live.

I need to hook the other one up but so far I really like it. Overall it looks ok...nothing that blows me away but I do like the way the movies are displayed.

Oh yeah there are no instructions besides the quick setup guide.

Many are complaining on Amazon about their wired versions too. So far no disconnects either.

OK...sorry for this post but there is so much discussion that it's been hard to find an answer to my question even with the search.

DOES the popbox pay videos from Youtube? Djvitamind said his does but I want confirmation. I know the past history of Youtube on the Syabas but I want to make sure before pulling the triggerYES or NO?

Thanks!!
post #778 of 3870
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Originally Posted by MitsuHelp View Post

OK...sorry for this post but there is so much discussion that it’s been hard to find an answer to my question even with the search.

DOES the popbox pay videos from Youtube? Djvitamind said his does but I want confirmation. I know the past history of Youtube on the Syabas but I want to make sure before pulling the trigger……YES or NO?

Thanks!!

Yes it does. I posted a screen shot as well earlier.
post #779 of 3870
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Originally Posted by dandirk View Post

I read that they would support nfo (no posters etc) files for movies, they did not say to what degree...

From that was posted above it sounds like they only support IMDB URL. It may not even be able to parse that URL from tagging performed by the various nfo apps out there.

Should be simple enough for people to test????

Thanks, I'll bet you are correct on this.
I was getting my hopes up that it would be able to use the info I have set up for my xbmc but I guess not yet.
post #780 of 3870
Can anyone clarify whether it is possible to disable/bypass the "catalog your whole server" process? I have no problem navigating folders and reading text-based directory listings to find what I want, and would like to know if it's possible to bypass that whole process if I decide that I don't like how the Popbox catagorizes my content.
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