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Adcom GFA-5503 vs Emotiva XPA-3

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Adcom GFA5503 (used for $500 including shipping) or Emotiva XPA-3 (new for $539 including shipping)?

I am torn between these two amps. I like the idea of a brand new amp with a five year warranty. As everybody knows the Emotiva is also a very highly regarded amp for sound quality to price ratio.

However part of me is inclined to feel the Adcom would please me more. It seems to have power supply advantages over the Emotiva:

2.0va transformer for the Adcom vs 850va for the Emotiva.

More total capacitance (I think).
The Adcom specifies 120,000uf total capacitance while the Emotiva specifies 60,000uf secondary capacitance. What exactly does secondary capacitance mean? Are there primary AND secondary caps? If so what is the total of both?

Not that it has any impact on sound quality but I think the Adcom is a more macho looking amp with the massive heat sinks taking up three of the four sides of the amp externally.

Given the choice of these two amps at these prices which would you chose and why? Thanks for any input.
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2.0 va sounds really, REALLY weak Do you mean 2000 VA? That would be a massive transformer.

Amps do seem as if they can last 10+ years. One mode of failure is that the capacitors can go bad over time.

I could never find any explanation of why they call it secondary capacitance. It seems to refer to the amount of filter capacitance, and nothing else. I know that the output of a transformer is called the secondary, so perhaps that's where the term comes from. There's a law of diminishing returns in adding more capacitance to improve power supply rejection (decrease power supply ripple.) So the large capacitance would offer more dynamic power. But I don't know how much.

One interesting point is that Adcom uses MOSFET output transistors. Probably does not amount to any real difference, but I thought I would mention it.

If it was me, I would consider the newer amp, with the 5 year warranty. The 850 VA transformer in the XPA-3 is probably good enough. Unless you listen at extremely loud levels, most of the amps power is for peaks. For example, if you agree that movies have a 20 dB peak to average level, power needs for peaks are 100 times power needs for average levels.
post #3 of 16
It would be useful to know what speakers you are going to drive with the amp.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by croseiv View Post

It would be useful to know what speakers you are going to drive with the amp.

you beat me to it!
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

2.0 va sounds really, REALLY weak Do you mean 2000 VA? That would be a massive transformer.

Amps do seem as if they can last 10+ years. One mode of failure is that the capacitors can go bad over time.

I could never find any explanation of why they call it secondary capacitance. It seems to refer to the amount of filter capacitance, and nothing else. I know that the output of a transformer is called the secondary, so perhaps that's where the term comes from. There's a law of diminishing returns in adding more capacitance to improve power supply rejection (decrease power supply ripple.) So the large capacitance would offer more dynamic power. But I don't know how much.

One interesting point is that Adcom uses MOSFET output transistors. Probably does not amount to any real difference, but I thought I would mention it.

If it was me, I would consider the newer amp, with the 5 year warranty. The 850 VA transformer in the XPA-3 is probably good enough. Unless you listen at extremely loud levels, most of the amps power is for peaks. For example, if you agree that movies have a 20 dB peak to average level, power needs for peaks are 100 times power needs for average levels.

Michael, oops I did make a mistake in typing the size of the transformer. I got into the wine pretty good last night. Today is my 47th birthday and got a head start on celebrating it last night. Anyhow thanks for the very valuable information. I read these forums much more than I post or ask questions on them and read alot of yours and trust your expert opinion. I did notice that the Adcom uses Mosfets. I have read different reviews that say Mosfets produce a warmer sound, is that a true statement in your opinion?
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It would be useful to know what speakers you are going to drive with the amp.

I should have known that it would be beneficial to post what speakers I am using. My bad!! I have JBL Studio L Series speakers, L830's for fronts and surrounds, and an LC1 center. I am currently running them off a Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH receiver. I know some people consider this series of speakers bright sounding, but to me they are nice and detailed. Now the Klipsch and Polk speakers I have owned in the recent past were both brighter than the JBL's. Anyhow I do like to listen at pretty loud levels (92-95 db's) especially when listening to music Blu-Rays. One thing about the JBL's is that they do not seem as efficient as JBL claims (90 db) and they seem to be begging for more power than my receiver can deliver to them. I read a review somewhere that says they are more like 86 -87 db's efficient and that sounds about right to me.
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I should have known that it would be beneficial to post what speakers I am using. My bad!! I have JBL Studio L Series speakers, L830's for fronts and surrounds, and an LC1 center. I am currently running them off a Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH reciver.

You certainly don't need the Adcom to drive those. I would go with the XPA-3. My mains are 8 Ohm nominal, (center is 4ohm). I detected a decent improvement. THe thing is, you really don't know how the Adcom is going to be down the road (it is much older). The XPA does have the 5 yr warranty, as was already mentioned.
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I forgot to mention that I am leaning towards the Adcom but the one thing that does scare me is that I have read about some Adcoms developing leaking caps over time. I am not sure what model year the amp is, does anyone know what years they made the 5503?

I thought the Emotiva sale only ran through the 15th but I saw they were still showing the sale prices last night. Was I incorrect or did they extend the sale?
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You certainly don't need the Adcom to drive those. I would go with the XPA-3. My mains are 8 Ohm nominal, (center is 4ohm). I detected a decent improvement. THe thing is, you really don't know how the Adcom is going to be down the road (it is much older). The XPA does have the 5 yr warranty, as was already mentioned.

Thanks for the input. I do like the idea of having a brand new amp with a 5 year warranty.
post #10 of 16
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Thanks for the input guys. This is the best forum IMO for honest straightforward answers.

Also what are opinions of the Acurus 200X3 amp? I can get one of them for quite a bit less than either of the other two. I read somewhere that the Acurus amps do not have any speaker protection circuitry, is that correct?
post #11 of 16
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Thanks for the input. I do like the idea of having a brand new amp with a 5 year warranty.

I have an XPA-3. I have decided not to stay with separates...Warranty can be passed on to new owner...PM if interested.
post #12 of 16
A very quick google search showed 5503 reviews from 1996 to 2002. Capacitors fail (get leaky) in all electronics over time; the question is, how much time? A lot depends upon how the equipment was used, and a lot to do with how hot it was run. Adcom amps are known to run hot (at least were last I looked at them, long ago -- but, this amp could be from then!) I believe they were a Nelson Pass design (? memory -- anybody confirm) and he tended towards heavy class A bias for sound -- one of the things that made Adcom a good amp. But, ten years is not all that long for most electronics, leaving you with a tough decision....

Thoughts, random order:

1. I suspect the Adcom is OK, but will need some TLC before too many years go by.
2. I suspect the ADcom is a better amp, but that I probably would not hear much difference between it and the Emotiva.
3. The Emotiva is new, I have two that work and sound good to me, and have had good customer service from them.
4. I never had a 5503 (that I recall) but had a 555 to review for a while. If memory serves, that 555 ran way hotter than my XPA-3. Good amp, though (not up to what I had in my system at the time, at a much higher price point).
5. At the same price point, with relatively efficient speakers, I would waffle a while then order the Emotiva. At least that's what I think I would do. I have some fantastic old gear that I simply do not have the time to restore, way better than anything in my system now (except my speakers), and decided to put my money into new gear instead of restoring my vintage gear despite knowing my old gear is much better than the new. Too many hours over the years fixing things up only to have something else break down; now, I just want to hear the music and watch the movies! When I retire, then maybe I'll have time to piddle with my old stuff (if I haven't sold it).

FWIWFM - Don
post #13 of 16
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Early evening bump before I start to celebrate my birthday with some beverages and some of my favorite music selections.

First up: The Eagles Farewell One Tour (HD DVD Version).

I am looking for more opinions on the Acurus 200X3 amp.

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Rick88 View Post

I forgot to mention that I am leaning towards the Adcom but the one thing that does scare me is that I have read about some Adcoms developing leaking caps over time. I am not sure what model year the amp is, does anyone know what years they made the 5503?

I thought the Emotiva sale only ran through the 15th but I saw they were still showing the sale prices last night. Was I incorrect or did they extend the sale?

That model Adcom was not the model with the leaking (defective caps) it was the 555 and only some of them.
post #15 of 16
Maybe there's Depends brand, cap diapers, just in case?
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by Rick88 View Post

Thanks for the input guys. This is the best forum IMO for honest straightforward answers.

I would buy any electronics older than 5 yo either if price is low enough to consider it disposable or have easy means to repair it. This is just like with used cars, you don't know how long it would take until major failure happens.

Adcoms are of uncommon design based on MOSFETs, they remind tubes in distortion spectrum. But they run hot and are not suitable for very low impedance loads. Emotiva design is much more traditional.

If I get 10 yo power amp, I would replace filter caps upfront as preventive measure.
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