Originally Posted by yelnatsch517
My point is that where I live here in SoCal. Anyone who has a big enough room for a real HT as in a listening position of 12+ft from speakers most likely will have enough money to afford some real speakers.
Do you remember how much Health Nut spent on his Quasar subwoofers? He doesn't even own a house.
My point is that the people who buy these "affordable" speakers where I live will most likely put them in small rooms with crazy room gain so not everyone requires highly efficient speakers. Not to mention, most houses here are almost built on top of each other with paper thin walls. Unless you want public disturbance citations every time you watch a movie, it's best not to watch at reference levels.
I just looked up house prices in Glasgow. Houses with the same square footage with less than half the lot size in my community have roughly 5x the asking price as those in Glasgow, just to put things into perspective. Forgot to mention that about 1/2 of that lot size is unusable.
Yes I am very familiar with Health Nuts 18" LMS 5400 subs. You do not get a much smaller HT room than I have (11.5' wide and 13.5' long). Even in my small room the listening distance from the mains and center is 10'. After going from audiophile speakers to pro audio speakers, I would never go back. The audiophile speakers did sound good in my small room, but it was easy to reach their limits. Now with the JTR T8's I do not reach their limits and there is no comparisome with the dynamics that I now get. My downstairs HT is much bigger, about 12,800 CF. That HT uses good audiophile speakers (RBH 661-SE & RBH SI-760) 90db, 200 watts, about the same as the JBL LS80 and it is not the same experience.
Sorry about where you live as far as not being able to utilize a reference HT, but as I noted above it is not necessarily about playing 105db at the listening position. It is about clean at the level you want and for action movies I like it pretty loud, but only because it is clean. The biggest difference though is the dynamics and that is what makes it a fantastic experience.
I live in the woods on a lake. Very quiet and no close neighbors, but even if I did have close neighbors it would not be a problem. My house has 2x6 walls, 1" insulation board, tyvek, air space and stone or brick on most of the outside. When it is raining hard outside, you do not hear it in the house unless there is thunder. I have turned my system up very loud and walked outside to see what I could hear. I was surprised that the sound could barely be heard outside.