As soon as I get mine I will post. However, ETA not for another week or so. Only a handful of people have them at this point and hopefully they will come on over and post. Very, very early 1st impressions appear to be very positive.
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Originally Posted by craigsub /forum/post/44437
PRO-10 Home Theater Monitor System:
1. The PRO-10 Monitor will have the following dimensions: - 19" H x 11.5" W x 8-7/16" DEdited to correct dimensions
2. Frequency response will be 72 - 18,000 Hz +/- 3 dB
3. Sensitivity will be 97 dB @ one watt @ one meter outdoors.
4. Output will be 117 dB @ one meter with a 100 watt amplifier, allowing for reference level SPL from a quality receiver.
5. The Pro-10 Monitor will be wall or stand mountable. It will also work well inside of cabinetry, due to the front port design and controlled directivity of the tweeter waveguide.
6. We are looking into an inwall variation and also into wood finishes. Both of these will be reasonably priced above the standard speaker's $350.
Also, they have a 10" high-efficiency woofer and 1" CD with 300W power handling capability. For me, Craig has checked off all the right boxes and hopefully their sound lives up to the specs.
I got mine already.... (2 verticals, 1 horizontal) they have a fantastic looking birch cabinets and a really nice smooth finish. I'm not yet ready to post impressions against my Rockets but I will say that using a Rat-Shack meter they are 7-8 db more sensitive than the Rocket RS850s which are supposed to be 93.5db. The Pro-10s are very cabable of Reference levels in a home theater setting using a good solid AVR....I personally am using an Emotiva XPA-3.
My point is that where I live here in SoCal. Anyone who has a big enough room for a real HT as in a listening position of 12+ft from speakers most likely will have enough money to afford some real speakers.
Do you remember how much Health Nut spent on his Quasar subwoofers? He doesn't even own a house.
My point is that the people who buy these "affordable" speakers where I live will most likely put them in small rooms with crazy room gain so not everyone requires highly efficient speakers. Not to mention, most houses here are almost built on top of each other with paper thin walls. Unless you want public disturbance citations every time you watch a movie, it's best not to watch at reference levels.
I just looked up house prices in Glasgow. Houses with the same square footage with less than half the lot size in my community have roughly 5x the asking price as those in Glasgow, just to put things into perspective. Forgot to mention that about 1/2 of that lot size is unusable.
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Originally Posted by yelnatsch517 /forum/post/18935500
My point is that where I live here in SoCal. Anyone who has a big enough room for a real HT as in a listening position of 12+ft from speakers most likely will have enough money to afford some real speakers.
Do you remember how much Health Nut spent on his Quasar subwoofers? He doesn't even own a house.
My point is that the people who buy these "affordable" speakers where I live will most likely put them in small rooms with crazy room gain so not everyone requires highly efficient speakers. Not to mention, most houses here are almost built on top of each other with paper thin walls. Unless you want public disturbance citations every time you watch a movie, it's best not to watch at reference levels.
I just looked up house prices in Glasgow. Houses with the same square footage with less than half the lot size in my community have roughly 5x the asking price as those in Glasgow, just to put things into perspective. Forgot to mention that about 1/2 of that lot size is unusable.
Yes I am very familiar with Health Nuts 18" LMS 5400 subs. You do not get a much smaller HT room than I have (11.5' wide and 13.5' long). Even in my small room the listening distance from the mains and center is 10'. After going from audiophile speakers to pro audio speakers, I would never go back. The audiophile speakers did sound good in my small room, but it was easy to reach their limits. Now with the JTR T8's I do not reach their limits and there is no comparisome with the dynamics that I now get. My downstairs HT is much bigger, about 12,800 CF. That HT uses good audiophile speakers (RBH 661-SE & RBH SI-760) 90db, 200 watts, about the same as the JBL LS80 and it is not the same experience.
Sorry about where you live as far as not being able to utilize a reference HT, but as I noted above it is not necessarily about playing 105db at the listening position. It is about clean at the level you want and for action movies I like it pretty loud, but only because it is clean. The biggest difference though is the dynamics and that is what makes it a fantastic experience.
I live in the woods on a lake. Very quiet and no close neighbors, but even if I did have close neighbors it would not be a problem. My house has 2x6 walls, 1" insulation board, tyvek, air space and stone or brick on most of the outside. When it is raining hard outside, you do not hear it in the house unless there is thunder. I have turned my system up very loud and walked outside to see what I could hear. I was surprised that the sound could barely be heard outside.
Ha...That's not a fair comparison... the Pro-10 will destroy the Sierra ones in a Home theater setting ( pro-10 sens. is 10db higher [87db vs 97db] and a 5.25" woofer compared to a 10")....poor little seirra one wouldn't stand a chance for HT
).... the Pro-10s dynamics and imaging are outstanding.
I'll put out a good detailed shootout comparing them to the Rockets and how they compare (from memory) to the JBL 8340a's I tried out months back.....probably be ready next week.
I just posted some comments on TCA and noticed this thread too so I am pasting my note from there.
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These things image like I couldn't believe. They remind me of a favorite imaging speaker which is the Vandersteen 2ce. Extra wide stage, extra deep too. Extremely detailed. Extremely. But very diff from the 2ce the Pro10 have a very wide sweet spot. And dynamics are terrific and effortless. Consider me wowed.
I have an asymmetric room and after using x-statiks, which need a better room than I can offer in this house, these just play so much nicer with room acoustics too. In short I love these things.
Also love:
Size - I can wall mount them and take back some family room floor space
Efficiency - I was able to switch to a receiver from a pre-pro amp combo
Finish - very pro finish
Price (obvs)
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All in all a really neat speaker. I am 100% moving forward with switching over my system to an all pro10 5.1 system.
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Originally Posted by snock7 /forum/post/18939740
Hi,
I just posted some comments on TCA and noticed this thread too so I am pasting my note from there.
[BEGIN QUOTE]
These things image like I couldn't believe. They remind me of a favorite imaging speaker which is the Vandersteen 2ce. Extra wide stage, extra deep too. Extremely detailed. Extremely. But very diff from the 2ce the Pro10 have a very wide sweet spot. And dynamics are terrific and effortless. Consider me wowed.
I have an asymmetric room and after using x-statiks, which need a better room than I can offer in this house, these just play so much nicer with room acoustics too. In short I love these things.
Also love:
Size - I can wall mount them and take back some family room floor space
Efficiency - I was able to switch to a receiver from a pre-pro amp combo
Finish - very pro finish
Price (obvs)
[END QUOTE]
All in all a really neat speaker. I am 100% moving forward with switching over my system to an all pro10 5.1 system.
I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on how they compare with the X-statiks and X-voce, more specifically in terms of bass, since they both need to be crossed over to a sub at 80 Hz. While the expansive and floating sound of those open baffles are nice, they're seriously lacking in mid-upper bass impact for HT.
What is the reccomended wattage for these speakers. Looking for a nice avr/amp combo to get the most out of the pro 10s? Any recommendations for around 1500?
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Originally Posted by audionwb /forum/post/18943406
What is the reccomended wattage for these speakers. Looking for a nice avr/amp combo to get the most out of the pro 10s? Any recommendations for around 1500?
Indeed. "Output will be 117 dB @ one meter with a 100 watt amplifier, allowing for reference level SPL from a quality receiver."
Doesn't take much to get these puppies singing LOUD.
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Originally Posted by audionwb /forum/post/18943406
What is the reccomended wattage for these speakers. Looking for a nice avr/amp combo to get the most out of the pro 10s? Any recommendations for around 1500?
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Originally Posted by cdy2179 /forum/post/18937651
I'll put out a good detailed shootout comparing them to the Rockets and how they compare (from memory) to the JBL 8340a's I tried out months back.....probably be ready next week.
Looking forward to your review. I never did jump on the 8340s and keep thinking that these might be the better solution for me. Not sure what to do for surrounds, though. Maybe HSU inwalls? No way I can get these beasts on the wall for surround duty.
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Originally Posted by Chadci /forum/post/18947239
Looking forward to your review. I never did jump on the 8340s and keep thinking that these might be the better solution for me. Not sure what to do for surrounds, though. Maybe HSU inwalls? No way I can get these beasts on the wall for surround duty.
If you kept up with my thread where I reveiwed the 8340a you know what I thought about them....the Pro-10s doesn't have the problems I found with the 8340a.....it's a much better speaker...no competetion, without doubt.
So glad to see this thread started! I have been following these speakers for a few months now and have enjoyed watching them develop. Hopefully I can get into a situation to buy these sooner than later. I eagerly await to see what owners think about these and how they compare to other speakers.
I am extremely pleased with my Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands for music. I have thought about filling out the 7 channel system with their speakers. Problem is, the overall cost to complete that system is over $4500 more! Another problem is they wouldn't be able to reach reference level, and that is something I really want to be able to do.
There is also something to having identical speakers all the way around. I have taken a pleasure in Blu-Ray concert discs and would really love to hear how it sounds with matching speakers.
Hopefully someone takes some pics and gets them posted!
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Originally Posted by cdy2179 /forum/post/18948324
If you kept up with my thread where I reveiwed the 8340a you know what I thought about them....the Pro-10s doesn't have the problems I found with the 8340a.....it's a much better speaker...no competetion, without doubt.
I'm also looking forward to seeing what they look like. SO far, all that I've seen is the prototype.
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