Originally Posted by goneten
Originally Posted by dragonfyr
And yes, I should worry myself about constructing a thesis and a "new thread" in order to address a problem imagined by someone else who is concerned with the effect of frequency and gain on "fast" or "slow" bass - above and beyond the fact that if one stops for a moment and thinks about it, frequency is ALREADY defined specifically in terms of "how fast" changes are already taking place, and any variation would result in a change in frequency. Duh.
Oh but I thought transient response was frequency response. Oh well. You are the world class acoustician here, but I am certain there is more to you than meets the word salad. If you have a hump over a particular frequency range that coincides with a musical note then it will sound bloated, muddy etc etc etc "insert a term that fits the mood" vs a flat response. Common sense would tell you that if you remove that hump by flattening it there will be more even octave to octave balance of energy. Duh. For the purposes of this discussion and all of our exchanges I have to assume you don't own a HT system and also, you don't own a parametric EQ or have ever dabbled with it.
For the record I was hoping you would take me up on my offer. Oh well.
"Oh but I thought transient response was frequency response."
I think that pretty much sums up the problem.
Yes, I don't even know what a PEQ or a HT system are.
But considering your additional insights, such conclusions are completely to be expected. In fact, one would be mightily disappointed if your convoluted reasoning can to any other conclusion. And unfortunately what is too often referred to as "common" sense is all too "uncommon".
And all of this points to yet one more reason that someone should have the additional access to time domain analysis offered by such free tools as REW and for the best bang for the buck in the industry, the dual channel FFT engine called ARTA - which is also optimized for binaural and IACC measurements, for those so inclined, as well....And then
folks can invest a little time and perform their due diligence in learning to what the PROPERLY and APPROPRIATELY administered measurements actually apply and what the results of a PROPERLY administered test actually indicate.
Originally Posted by goneten
Originally Posted by localhost127
goneten, was REW + mic + pre-amp simply too difficult for you to configure?
No. But why bother buying all those parts .. hoping everything is compatible (not all components work out of the box, more fiddling around etc etc etc etc), updating this or that driver, calibrating levels, the added clutter of everything and then hoping beyond hope that the graph you see onscreen is an accurate display of reality when in actual fact there are 100 reasons why your graph is not
. An all-in-one acoustical package like XTZ and/or Omnimic takes most of the fiddling out of the equation and saves time. Time is money as they say.
Sure, if you want to spend significantly more money for significantly LESS capability, be my guest. And it is ironic that so many who saved SO much trouble are once again here requiring help and complaining about the limitations of the platform.
And "HOPING everything is compatible"??? Sure, if you don't listen! So you are saying that readily available tested solutions are not available? How many times have we recommended the ART Dual USB Pre as a simple, inexpensive front end to the platform??????? Yet go to HTS and watch as the minions gerrymander the Behringer catalog into the strangest configurations around. And complain...
And I am sorry that simply asking and following a few SIMPLE suggestions in order to configure the I/O of a mic pre-amp/soundcard is SO difficult where all the guesswork has been removed. But what IS painful at the HTS is watching as SO many who have NO clue persist in traveling off script and attempting to assemble and configure some if the most hilarious assemblages of gear rather than simply benefiting from others experience and just following the suggested basic entry configurations that ARE relatively simple to configure. But again, its always fun to watch those who do NOT know, ignore the advice of those who do as they run off to redefine the application before they even know what it is - and then to listen to them thereafter whine about the complexities of attaching ~3 interconnects and in selecting the appropriate input and outputs (possibly in their computer's OS) and in the application itself.
Considering just how simple this actually is and how readily available help is from any number of sources, it is always 'interesting' to watch those who do not know ignore assistance and proceed to reinvent the wheel. And even funnier when they then blame everyone and thing aside from themselves when their schemes fail. Yup, its all everyone else's fault!Edited by dragonfyr - 8/1/12 at 9:55am