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post #481 of 662
If I buy a panasonic 3D player that outputs the checkerboard pattern for my 2009 73" mitsubishi what synchronizes the glasses to the picture on the TV screen?
post #482 of 662
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Originally Posted by brazen17 View Post

If I buy a panasonic 3D player that outputs the checkerboard pattern for my 2009 73" mitsubishi what synchronizes the glasses to the picture on the TV screen?

If you get the adaptor, for your TV, it has an emitter. If not, you need to get DLP link glasses. See elsewhere in this thread for links.
post #483 of 662
Is there a difference in picture quality from the Optoma and Viewsonic? I would prefer the Viewsonic glasses as I can use them with my (crappy) Mitsubishi IR glasses. I would be buying 4 pairs of which ever brand I choose, leaving my with 6 pairs of glasses if I go with the Viewsonic I just want to make sure there is no picture quality difference between the 2 as I have heard both praised very much.

6 glasses = Piranha 3D PARTY!! HAHA

Thanks for your time and help,
-Andy
post #484 of 662
AFAIK they are the same glases thedDifferences are the Logo on the them and the functionality of the switch that is in them.
post #485 of 662
I have a 60735 that I just tried the Mitsu starter kit on, and as expected it was very bad. Couldn't see a thing in the dark scenes of "The Christamas Carol"... Anyways, reading this tread, I see that the recomended setup includes the optoma glasses. Has anybody tried them with the 735 series TV set, and if so, what were the results.

Thank you all for all the great info!
post #486 of 662
i got a wd73736 and when i turn on 3d mode it gets a lil grayish but any 3d content looks great and when it goes to dark scenes in movies they were too dark but i raised the brightness and everything seems fine now.
post #487 of 662
Is any one having problems with the 835 series crushing blacks when watching 2D with the 3DA-1 in line?
post #488 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daniel Murray View Post

Is any one having problems with the 835 series crushing blacks when watching 2D with the 3DA-1 in line?

Set your source to RGB mode.
post #489 of 662
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Originally Posted by Spoodily View Post
Set your source to RGB mode.
Can this be done with DirecTV receivers?
post #490 of 662
Firmware 12.06 is now out, so for many Mits 3D DLPs the converter box is now obsolete. The new 3D firmware will resolve many issues (like HDMI handshake when trying to connect a DTV box to your AVR and run all your 3D sources to the TV OUT > MITS CONVERTER BOX > 3D DLP).

A couple of tips gleaned from another AV forum on the subject:

Make sure that your cable/satelite box is setup to some form of passthru/native mode as forcing it to a specific setting may negate some 3D content.

Make sure to do a factory reset on the Mits DLP after the upgrade, or you may have some oddness (HDMI handshake issues and such).

Good luck!
Brian
post #491 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daniel Murray View Post
Is any one having problems with the 835 series crushing blacks when watching 2D with the 3DA-1 in line?
This is with my HR24 DVR DirecTV receive.
post #492 of 662
Topic title changed.
post #493 of 662
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post
Topic title changed.
Sounds good.

But make It "3D Mode On Year 2007-2009 Mitsubishi DLP's."
post #494 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daniel Murray View Post
This is with my HR24 DVR DirecTV receive.
Yes it has been tested and proved that the adapter does crush blacks.
post #495 of 662
So, I bought the Viewsonic glasses and they are MUCH MUCH better then the dark washed colors Mitsubishi glasses. I do have a question, is there a performance difference between using the Viewsonic DLP Link glasses in reverse or using the IR emitter that came with the Mitsubishi glasses? I assume there is no difference but just figured I would ask. Thank you to everyone for all of your help!!
post #496 of 662
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Originally Posted by njfoses View Post

Yes it has been tested and proved that the adapter does crush blacks.

Do you have a link to these tests? I have a WD-65835 with the adapter, and it does not crush blacks.
post #497 of 662
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Originally Posted by Augerhandle View Post

Do you have a link to these tests? I have a WD-65835 with the adapter, and it does not crush blacks.

What is your software number. My 65835 is 10.00 software.
post #498 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daniel Murray View Post

What is your software number. My 65835 is 10.00 software.

V39++ 010.00

2400 hours on my second lamp
post #499 of 662
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Originally Posted by Augerhandle View Post

Do you have a link to these tests? I have a WD-65835 with the adapter, and it does not crush blacks.

Use any pluge test used to adjust brightness and you will see for yourself or read through this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...261771&page=81 and you will see reports of it as well. I have the adapter and see the issue first hand.
post #500 of 662
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Originally Posted by njfoses View Post

Use any pluge test used to adjust brightness and you will see for yourself or read through this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...261771&page=81 and you will see reports of it as well. I have the adapter and see the issue first hand.

I used a pluge test pattern. I am sorry you have the problem, but as demonstrated by all four pluge patterns on my AVSHD disc, I don't have black crush. It is a source problem.

In the thread you linked, every black crush problem that was corrected, was fixed by switching the source to RGB. Here is a post from that same thread where someone fixed their problem.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post19532559

Edit: I just replayed the test patterns while in 3D mode with my XpanD X102 DLP-Link glasses on, and still no black crush.
post #501 of 662
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Originally Posted by Augerhandle View Post

I used a pluge test pattern. I am sorry you have the problem, but as demonstrated by all four pluge patterns on my AVSHD disc, I don't have black crush. It is a source problem.

Is your source outputting RGB? The adapter apparently handles RGB better than YCC. The TV handles either format the same from a given source connected directly. But the adapter definitely does not. Therefore, I would disagree with you and say it is the adapter. Being able to adjust the source to RGB compensates for the issue caused by the adapter.
post #502 of 662
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Originally Posted by jjknatl View Post

Is your source outputting RGB? The adapter apparently handles RGB better than YCC. The TV handles either format the same from a given source connected directly. But the adapter definitely does not. Therefore, I would disagree with you and say it is the adapter. Being able to adjust the source to RGB compensates for the issue caused by the adapter.

RGB. In the PS3, there is also a setting to set RGB levels to Limited or Full.

RGB Limited is for Video levels (16 to 235). RGB Full is for PC levels (0 to 255), which are mapped differently. You crush blacks when you send the wrong levels (0 to 255) to a device that is looking for video levels.

It's technical, but hwjohn explained it pretty well (red highlight by me)

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Originally Posted by hwjohn View Post


There isn't a native range for either YPbPr or RGB. The two ranges you are describing are generally referred to as "PC levels" and "video levels." The important thing is that the display device is expecting what you are feeding it. TV's normally use "video levels" ...

...Without going into a lot of detail, you want to use limited on both the TV and PS3. All DVD/Blu-Ray will use those levels, and they would have to be re-mapped otherwise...

Use limited.


The Adapter is set up to accept video levels. Most TVs normally accept video levels.

The Mits TV can accept either, because it was designed to also be used as a computer monitor. It is not a fault of the adapter that it uses video levels, it is an extra feature of the TV that it uses both.

The only "issue" is caused by a person incorrectly sending PC levels to a device that requires video levels.

So, you could say that the adapter does indeed crush blacks, but only with the qualifier "when fed the wrong source signal".
post #503 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daniel Murray View Post

This is with my HR24 DVR DirecTV receive.

Daniel,

I'm not familiar with DirecTV, so I googled your receiver model and found posts about it not handling the Video levels correctly. Here is a quote from one such post.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.ph...18#post2563818

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I've gone from ViP622's, to 722's, to 722k's. HR20's to HR22's, and never had an issue. Also had a TiVo HD in the past, and ALL played nice with a calibrated display, except the HR24. I think it boils down to the fact Directv, for whatever reason, went with NXP, and it's something with their design, or the design of the new boxes. It's not going to be an issue for them, because 99.9% of the folks wont notice, or dont care. Almost everyone I know has their tv's setup in a way that colors are too high and they crush blacks, because they don't know any better. These are probably like a lot of the Directv customers.

And there doesn't seem to be a solution http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post19265910

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...I wish directv would just add color space choice to the HR24... crosses fingers.
post #504 of 662
Augerhandle.,
Thank you very much !
post #505 of 662
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Originally Posted by Augerhandle View Post

I used a pluge test pattern. I am sorry you have the problem, but as demonstrated by all four pluge patterns on my AVSHD disc, I don't have black crush. It is a source problem.

In the thread you linked, the problem was caused by improperly setting up a PS3. Here is a post from that same thread where someone fixed their problem.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post19532559

Edit: I just replayed the test patterns while in 3D mode with my XpanD X102 DLP-Link glasses on, and still no black crush.

This could explain the issue as i have my ps3 set to rgb limited but i have output set to auto which means bluray and dvd is output YCbCr. Only games would be output in rgb. Changing auto to rgb limited will probably make the black crush go away but i wonder what the negatives would be in outputting rgb instead of YCbCr for blu ray?
post #506 of 662
I have a WD-73837. A sticker on the back of the set shows a manufacture date of March 2010. Is there a 3D firmware update for this set, or will I need the 3D Starter Pack? I see there is a firmware update for 2010 models, but the 837 is not listed, only the 738 and 838.
post #507 of 662
Colorspace Choice:

Fat chance on that but if it was possible - I would recommend you join the cutting edge program and perhaps suggest this. There is no way in hell directv will put it in the regular menus though, because they will not want to support that. It coud appear by typing in an easter egg, much to the same way they have tried things in the past.

visit www.dbstalk.com / cuttingedge for more info on the subject.
post #508 of 662
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Originally Posted by StratonAce View Post

I have a WD-73837. A sticker on the back of the set shows a manufacture date of March 2010. Is there a 3D firmware update for this set, or will I need the 3D Starter Pack? I see there is a firmware update for 2010 models, but the 837 is not listed, only the 738 and 838.

WD-73837 is a 2009 model manufactured in 2010. The 2010 models came out around June, I think. You will need the Starter Pack or, at the least, the Adapter Pack.
post #509 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daniel Murray View Post

Augerhandle.,
Thank you very much !

You're welcome, glad I could help.
post #510 of 662
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Originally Posted by njfoses View Post

This could explain the issue as i have my ps3 set to rgb limited but i have output set to auto which means bluray and dvd is output YCbCr. Only games would be output in rgb. Changing auto to rgb limited will probably make the black crush go away but i wonder what the negatives would be in outputting rgb instead of YCbCr for blu ray?

Yes.

Settings> Video Settings> BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI)> RGB

Settings> Display Settings> RGB Full Range (HDMI)> Limited

There is no negative. As long as source and display are on the same page, all is fine. The problem occcurs mixing one method with the other.
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