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post #61 of 662
I took a good hard look at both my Mits glasses and Xpand X102's tonight. The Xpands eliminate the green tint and also seem to have more vibrant colors as compared to the Mits glasses. These glasses sync opposite so I used one pair upside down and was able to compare them side by side without having to change the sync setting in the menu. Unfortunately I do see some vertical rainbows and have had some problems losing sync during dark scences with the X102's. It seems to me that the 2010 Mits models are geared towards the Mits glasses while the older models are better with dlp-link glasses. My set is a 73837 by the way.
post #62 of 662
Thread Starter 
Isn't there a way to "trick" the 3D emitter to turn on without turning on 3D mode?

Or "trick" the converter to turn It on If you plug the emitter straight Into the converter?

Trying to bypass the "3D Mode On = Green/Teal/Green Blacks/Overall Crap Picture" defect....
post #63 of 662
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Originally Posted by bcterp View Post

These glasses sync opposite so I used one pair upside down and was able to compare them side by side without having to change the sync setting in the menu.

Did the black levels on the Mitsubishi glasses improve when using them upside down?
post #64 of 662
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Originally Posted by Hyabusha View Post


Trying to bypass the "3D Mode On = Green/Teal/Green Blacks/Overall Crap Picture" defect....

Try comparing the 3D color on your Mits to another 3D brand; I compared with a panny plasma and found the Mits to be better.
post #65 of 662
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pmalter0 View Post

Try comparing the 3D color on your Mits to another 3D brand; I compared with a panny plasma and found the Mits to be better.

I love the color yes that's not the issue, the Issue Is when a dark scene comes, or any blacks, all I notice Is they become a greenish/teal/bloomy look. Very distracting.... ;(
post #66 of 662
The 835 is tons better than the FX mode in the 833 series. Its like it went from sugar to *#(@#@ between those two.
post #67 of 662
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Originally Posted by Milmanias View Post

Did the black levels on the Mitsubishi glasses improve when using them upside down?

No difference.
post #68 of 662
I finally received my Optoma BG-ZD101 glasses today.

These are a HUGE improvement over the Mits IR glasses.

The problems with loss of black and green or blue tint are GONE with these glasses.

As soon as they sync to the tv, the blacks become black. Apparently they successfully mute both lenses when the DLP-Link flash takes place.

The contrast is all there now.

Also, as others have stated, the color quality is much improved.

And, to my eyes, they render 3D effects much better- specifically things coming at you from the screen.

With the Mits glasses, the 3D effect was good with items beyond the plane of the screen, but things coming at you looked a little flickery and were hard for my eyes to focus on and get the effect. I have never had a problem perceiving 3D with any of the old or new theatrical formats, or on theme park rides- only with the Mits glasses.

The Optomas eliminate this problem for me as well- things coming at you like the pop singer on the Disney/Mits demo disc are clear, stable, with no eye strain.

I was not expecting such an improvement with these glasses, and thought I was probably wasting my money ordering them. Not so. I am very happy with the picture in 3D mode now.

The Optomas also seem to darken the overall picture less. On the "Cloudy...Meatballs" 3D blu-ray, I constantly felt like my eyes were straining to see the dark picture- even in a dark room at night, when using the Mits glasses. The light level seems notably better with the Optomas.

As far as the polarization rainbows... I do see them with the Optomas, but only on certain bright / nearly white scenes, only after looking for them for awhile, and they are very faint and not distracting to me.

If you're unhappy with the green/blue tint, lack of black level, lack of color saturation, etc. get these glasses.

Shame on Mitsubishi for designing a IR-based 3D system with DLP-LINK on all the time- but at least there is a solution.
post #69 of 662
Thread Starter 
I am amazed by your results diamondpilot. Can you confirm that the Optomas and the Mits/Samsung glasses work together at the same time?
post #70 of 662
Hyabusha,

The Mits glasses use the Standard sync setting, the Optomas use the Reverse sync setting.

So, they cannot be used at the same time.

My Mits glasses are going in my drawer full of stuff too expensive to throw away but too useless to use.

I just ordered two more pairs of the Optomas.
post #71 of 662
Thread Starter 
Damn... Well tomorrow will be my last "push" to try an get a exchange for a WD-82738 2010 model. If that's a dead end, then I will pursue getting optoma 3D glasses then.

Thanks diamondpilot.
post #72 of 662
Thread Starter 
diamondpilot, I assume you don't need the emitter anymore to use with the Optoma's?

How do the Optoma's feel compared to the Mit's glasses?

And did your Optoma's come with a pouch?
post #73 of 662
diamondpilot, thank you for the impressions. Youre at least the third person confirming that the optomas improve the blacks. The others could not stand the rainbows, so I have some concern on those. The main problem for me is that they don't come in kid's sizes, so the Samsungs are probably the best option in my situation. I may well get a pair of optoma's for playing video games since the rainbow wouldn't distract me then. I bought the 3d kit online from Frys and hopefully will pick it up tomorrow, so I'll live with the reduced black levels for a while. Who knows, they might not even bother me.

Stupid question, but are the optomas and Mitsubishis compatible when the optomas are worn upside down?
post #74 of 662
Hyabusha,
No emitter required with the Optomas, or any other DLP-Link glasses.

The Optomas are bigger, bulkier, and heavier than the Mits glasses.
They don't fold either, and they don't come with a baggie.

The picture is so much better, I don't care.

They do come in a hard cardboard box with a nice foam cutout- great for safe storage.

Milmanias,

Yes, if you wear the Optomas upside down they will work with the Mits glasses with the TV set to Standard instead of Reverse. But very uncomfortable!

I wouldn't worry about the rainbows. I have only noticed them on one scene, and it was very subtle and I had to really look for them. Little things bother me, and to me it is a non-issue.
post #75 of 662
Wait, so I just wasted money buying the 3DC-1000 starter kit when I could have just bought these Optoma glasses for $90 for a better viewing experience? Please let there be a firmware fix in the near future.
post #76 of 662
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Originally Posted by diamondpilot View Post

Yes, if you wear the Optomas upside down they will work with the Mits glasses with the TV set to Standard instead of Reverse. But very uncomfortable!

Thanks for the answer.
post #77 of 662
Hey Diamond, a new Mitsubishi 73c9 owner here. Thanks for all your info and help with the 3D issue. You saved me $ by not buying the Mits 3d kit w/ glasses. My ? is if I buy the Optoma glasses is that all I need to watch 3D with my 73c9 or do I still need the Mitsubishi adapter and/or emitter and the Optomas? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by diamondpilot View Post

Hyabusha,
No emitter required with the Optomas, or any other DLP-Link glasses.

The Optomas are bigger, bulkier, and heavier than the Mits glasses.
They don't fold either, and they don't come with a baggie.

The picture is so much better, I don't care.

They do come in a hard cardboard box with a nice foam cutout- great for safe storage.

Milmanias,

Yes, if you wear the Optomas upside down they will work with the Mits glasses with the TV set to Standard instead of Reverse. But very uncomfortable!

I wouldn't worry about the rainbows. I have only noticed them on one scene, and it was very subtle and I had to really look for them. Little things bother me, and to me it is a non-issue.
post #78 of 662
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by djr357 View Post

Hey Diamond, a new Mitsubishi 73c9 owner here. Thanks for all your info and help with the 3D issue. You saved me $ by not buying the Mits 3d kit w/ glasses. My ? is if I buy the Optoma glasses is that all I need to watch 3D with my 73c9 or do I still need the Mitsubishi adapter and/or emitter and the Optomas? Thanks!

djr357, If you purchase the Optomas, you don't need the emitter because the glasses are DLP-Link, not requiring an emitter. But you still need the adapter to convert the new 3D formats to work with your TV.
post #79 of 662
Great thanks alot! I'll be ordering them later. Is their a recommended online store to order from?

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Originally Posted by Hyabusha View Post

djr357, If you purchase the Optomas, you don't need the emitter because the glasses are DLP-Link, not requiring an emitter. But you still need the adapter to convert the new 3D formats to work with your TV.
post #80 of 662
Maybe I'm an idiot and someone with some money to burn will try this in case it doesn't work...but....would reversing the battery reverse the sync? Somebody willing to try it with one pair or the other?

I'm not gonna try it...you try it. Let's get Mikey, he'll try ANYTHING!
post #81 of 662
Great...

Anyone with the 2 Optomas want to trade for 2 of the Mits glasses + emitter?
post #82 of 662
Thread Starter 
Good luck with that one. That's like stealing money from a blind man...

Seriously thou, I'm in the same boat...
post #83 of 662
Do NOT reverse the battery in the glasses!

Reversing polarity will not switch the left and right lenses, and could very well damage the electronics in the glasses!

I just ordered the mitsubishi adapter-only package for $100, and I'm returning the 3DC-1000 kit.

I noticed something interesting about the Optoma glasses. The power switch toggles between 4 modes (not necessarily in this order):

1- 3D
2- Both eyes see left image only
3- Both eyes see right image only.
4- Power off.

In modes 2 and 3 above, the image appears 2-D, but you don't see double images as with the glasses off.

In all power-on modes (1-3 above), the DLP-Link flash is muted by the glasses so the picture looks proper.
post #84 of 662
Djr357- try projectorzone.com

I had problems getting the glasses through other retailers who claimed at the time of order they were in stock but a week later said they didn't have them...

From what I'm told, these glasses are drop-shipped from Optoma and dealers that haven't paid their bills have their drop-shipments withheld...

Optoma recommended ProjectorZone.com to me. I got them in 2 days from date of order with $20 blue label shipping.
post #85 of 662
Please call Mits support and let them know if you are having issues with the 833 series and the 3-D kit. I called them the other day to see if my problems with losing sync during resolution switches are with the adapter or the tv and they are researching my issues with the adapter/73833. They are supposed to contact me within a couple days to see what they can find out.

The more calls they get on the 833 series issues the better chance for a resolution to all of our issues with this combination of equipment.
post #86 of 662
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I noticed something interesting about the Optoma glasses. The power switch toggles between 4 modes

now if they would just add a fifth....reverse, we'd be in business.
post #87 of 662
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Originally Posted by diamondpilot View Post

I finally received my Optoma BG-ZD101 glasses today.

These are a HUGE improvement over the Mits IR glasses.

The problems with loss of black and green or blue tint are GONE with these glasses.

I had the same reaction, I loved the dark blacks, the crispness, and the 3D effect with them. Unfortuantely, the rainbows were bugging me more than the greenish blacks at that time so I returned the optomas. Also, they wouldn't fit my kid and I needed them to sync opposite what they do so that my kid could wear the samsung kid glasses while I wore the optomas. I begged optoma to create a pair with the sync opposite, or at least put a sync selection on the glasses (they actually put me in touch with the project manager). Would be nice if they also rotated their polarization 45 degrees to get rid of the rainbows. I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen, but I think they would become the ultimate solution for pre-2010 mits dlp owners if they did.
post #88 of 662
So just to recap - for Mitsubishi DLP owners at least, the Mitsu starter kit glasses currently have a handful of problems and aren't the best solution for 3d then?

Now I'm reading that the Optoma's are the better glasses because they have less problems, but how about the Xpand glasses? I have heard good things about those too, so does anyone know what glasses future owners should invest in? Right now I'm leaning towards the Optoma's because of the glowing reviews they've been getting, but would like a little more feedback before stocking up. I'm going to order at least 4 or 5 glasses for my family, so any help you can provide leading me to the right set would be great.

Looking forward to more feedback!
post #89 of 662
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Originally Posted by diamondpilot View Post

I noticed something interesting about the Optoma glasses. The power switch toggles between 4 modes (not necessarily in this order):

1- 3D
2- Both eyes see left image only
3- Both eyes see right image only.
4- Power off.

In modes 2 and 3 above, the image appears 2-D, but you don't see double images as with the glasses off.

In all power-on modes (1-3 above), the DLP-Link flash is muted by the glasses so the picture looks proper.

I posted on this as well a few weeks ago. With the video paused, look at the left image with both eyes and then the right image with both eyes and see if you notice a slight difference in colors. I did, not sure if that is an artifact of wobulation or of the stereo camera.
post #90 of 662
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Originally Posted by Hyabusha View Post

Good luck with that one. That's like stealing money from a blind man...

Seriously thou, I'm in the same boat...

Eh... worth a shot, right?
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