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post #1411 of 3327
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Originally Posted by shadmeister66 View Post

Hey all,
Wonder if you could advise me on your thoughts concerning going with the Panny 2010 65" VT 25 or holding out for the 2011 VT 30?? Of course there would be quite a bit of a money savings going wiith the 2010 I would imagine. I just wonder if the 2011 VT30 65" is really worth the extra money and wait for it to be available??

Really would appreciate critical feedback.
Thanks!

I'm very happy with my P65VT25 and if you can find one at a really good price I'd buy it. The problem is they've about dried up and I haven't seen any offered lately for near the price I paid in December. Therefore, unless you can get a killer deal on a VT25, I'd wait for the VT30.
post #1412 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Derek Dean View Post

Just a thought, but I know plenty of people who continue to wait for "next year's new and improved" models..... and they've been waiting like that for years now.

I see the same thing over on DPR, a camera forum I frequent. There are folks there who keep waiting for the perfect small, inexpensive, high quality digital camera to be released, while the rest of us happily enjoy our imperfect but wonderfully useful cameras day in and day out.

I understand your concern over the issues that have been raised with this year's crop of TVs. I had those same concerns and almost didn't buy a new TV exactly because of the purported rising black levels and "floating blacks". However, I finally decided to take the plunge, figuring I could always return the set if I found I really couldn't live with these issues.

Maybe it's because this is my first big screen TV, but I've been completely happy with my 46" G25. The picture is stunning and I've never seen any sign of floating blacks..... and believe me I've looked and looked and looked. Not to say I don't think other folks see them, I'm just saying I can't see them, so I've come to the conclusion that it's something that some folks are much more sensitive to than others, and I'm fortunate to be one of those that isn't bothered by it.

In any case, after 2 months I'm still giddy every time I turn it on and actually find it hard to turn off at night because I'm so amazed at the beauty of the images it brings into my room.

So, yes...... you can wait for the 2011 models to come out. And then you can wait for the reviews. And of course no matter how good the TVs are, the thing we do best of these forums is to discover what ever imperfections there might be and then debate endlessly about their impact on real world viewing, at which point it will be about July of 2011 and you will begin to wonder if maybe it's worth waiting for the 2012 models, because surely they will be much better.

Just a thought .

Well Said and you took the words right out of my mouth !
Even iam unable to decide when to buy my big screen tv.Since at present my Sony CRT 34" which is 18 years old is working great.But without any Hi def content.But to view any STD DTH content it looks great.So iam in no hurry.But whenever i go for shopping or clearance sale,threre iam impressed with the PDP's clarity suddenly one thing comes to my mind that the present panels are in no way closer to the Kuro Technology of the pioneer brand.
And reading all the reviews in online forums just makes me turn away from making any purchase.i.e 'am i buying a good sturdy product with decent picture quality...?
Here in Asia we have only the v20(2D) & vt20(3D) series as the hi end models from panny at the moment ! No idea when the v30 & vt30 will be launched.i like their slim design and one glass black panel design,looks very neat.
post #1413 of 3327
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1297937699

This was posted elsewhere but I can't find it now.
post #1414 of 3327
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1297937699

This was posted elsewhere but I can't find it now.

That's brilliant! Why is it ONLY on the VT30 Wonder how much the USB device costs!
post #1415 of 3327
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Originally Posted by NeilF View Post

That's brilliant! Why is it ONLY on the VT30 Wonder how much the USB device costs!

The post (I can't find) had a link to a Spectracal page that listed the vt/gt and IIRC the top end lcd as having this ability.The price was listed in euros.Needless to say I can't seem to find that page now either.
post #1416 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Do you know if the VT30 adds and extra pane of glass to get "Single Sheet of Glass Design"?

- Rich

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

As in like the V10? Yes

I think I may have incorrectly interpreted D-Nice's response.
If it is like the V10, then there should not be an additional pane of the VT30 versus the GT30. But I guess we will have to wait and see?

- Rich
post #1417 of 3327
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Originally Posted by NeilF View Post

That's brilliant! Why is it ONLY on the VT30 Wonder how much the USB device costs!

In the video he said it costs $600.
post #1418 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RoboPlato View Post

In the video he said it costs $600.

600 euros.
post #1419 of 3327
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

2011 Panasonic Settings will be posted on HDJ.


You seem to have access to more early information on the 2011 Panasonics than most of us can hope to have, so do you feel comfortable answering the question on most everyone's mind at this point? That question is: Are the 2011 Panasonic plasmas a significant and worthwhile improvement over the 2010 models, or are they just niggling improvements at best?

Feel free to qualify your answer as you like, or say if you prefer to wait until you calibrate one to make a definitive statement.

Thanks.
post #1420 of 3327
Originally Posted by RichB: Do you know if the VT30 adds and extra pane of glass to get "Single Sheet of Glass Design"? - Rich

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

As in like the V10? Yes

Here's hoping that they lay that extra pane of glass right up against the plasma panel to reduce/eliminate internal reflections like the 2009's had, and that this extra layer helps reduce any buzzing it may have
post #1421 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I think I may have incorrectly interpreted D-Nice's response.
If it is like the V10, then there should not be an additional pane of the VT30 versus the GT30. But I guess we will have to wait and see?

- Rich

Yeah, I think he was misinterpreted. The V10 had 2 panes of glass like all previous Panasonic plasma so that you see the double image when extreme off angle and watching light images against a dark background, however it also had a single sheet of glass across the front extending into the bezel as a design. The VT30 will have both the single pane glass without the double image and the single sheet of glass design with the front extending into the bezel.
post #1422 of 3327
A pdp requires a front filter for color/emi/ar/ir.

This filter is either bonded directly to the pdp or part of a free floating glass panel with an air gap between itself and the pdp.
This airgap is what causes the internal reflections and contrast issues.
The vt30 design is such that the front is a single flush panel.That being the case the filter has to be part of this panel.The only question is--is the pdp directly bonded to this front panel as we all hope or is there again an airgap between it and the pdp as in past designs.
post #1423 of 3327
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post

A pdp requires a front filter for color/emi/ar/ir.

This filter is either bonded directly to the pdp or part of a free floating glass panel with an air gap between itself and the pdp.
This airgap is what causes the internal reflections and contrast issues.
The vt30 design is such that the front is a single flush panel.That being the case the filter has to be part of this panel.The only question is--is the pdp directly bonded to this front panel as we all hope or is there again an airgap between it and the pdp as in past designs.

Very small gap.
post #1424 of 3327
D-Nice, did you received my last email I sent you ?
post #1425 of 3327
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Very small gap.

Since gap=reflection and its been reported:

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No double image on side angle. At all. I went as extreme an angle as you can get.


My moneys on bonded.

Never mind the design issues with retaining/supporting a free floating 65" sheet of glass.Exactly why this design was limited to smaller panels in the past.
post #1426 of 3327
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post

Since gap=reflection and its been reported:




My moneys on bonded.

Never mind the design issues with retaining/supporting a free floating 65" sheet of glass.Exactly why this design was limited to smaller panels in the past.

Z1 didn't have internal reflections and had good contrast under the lights. VT30 will probably be like that.
post #1427 of 3327
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

I will look in to both ST30 and GT30

Preliminary pricing is now up on all models at a few different sights..... For that matter Samsung and LG included.
post #1428 of 3327
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post
Z1 didn't have internal reflections and had good contrast under the lights. VT30 will probably be like that.
Hopefully better,although thats Panasonics first bonded filter plasma TV it was a 12th gen. pdp.
post #1429 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RicheyPoor View Post
I'm very happy with my P65VT25 and if you can find one at a really good price I'd buy it. The problem is they've about dried up and I haven't seen any offered lately for near the price I paid in December. Therefore, unless you can get a killer deal on a VT25, I'd wait for the VT30.
Thanks Richey for input -and other too. I also wonder about going with the Samsung top plasma( Panny's VT equivalent) over the 2010 or 2011 VT Pannys as the Samsung pricing is quite attractive on the 65"/63" size.????????? Quality seems to be quite close on the two manufacturers.
post #1430 of 3327
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Originally Posted by skip61 View Post
D-Nice, did you received my last email I sent you ?
Yep, replied the same day.
post #1431 of 3327
D-Nice I just sent an email to you.
post #1432 of 3327
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post
Hopefully better,although thats Panasonics first bonded filter plasma TV it was a 12th gen. pdp.
Z1 didn't actually have a bonded filter from what I remember. It just seemed like it.
post #1433 of 3327
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

Z1 didn't actually have a bonded filter from what I remember. It just seemed like it.

Actually IIRC the Z1 had a V10 panel but unlike the V10, the AR Filter was bonded directly to the face of the plasma panel itself (al-la Pioneer style) since it did not have an extra pane of glass like all the other 2009 models did (V10 and lower). The Z1s i scrutinized had zero off-angle internal reflections and it was obvious that there was no outer glass.
post #1434 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually IIRC the Z1 had a V10 panel but unlike the V10, the AR Filter was bonded directly to the face of the plasma panel itself (al-la Pioneer style) since it did not have an extra pane of glass like all the other 2009 models did (V10 and lower). The Z1s i scrutinized had zero off-angle internal reflections and it was obvious that there was no outer glass.

Yes that's what I had thought at first. But then I was told that it actually did have the outer glass pane, only it was a lot thinner than other models and I guess the gap between the two glass layers was smaller as well.
post #1435 of 3327
Found this:
http://hdtelevizija.com/2011/02/15/r...p42c3e-107-cm/

They claim it's a TX-P42C3 review. Could it be true? Already? They did have some shots of it that didn't seem to be from the show.

Can't read much about it as I don't know the language, but you could see the calibration charts etc...

Passed 3:2/2:2 cadance apparently, 31 ms delay etc.

Edit: Google translate http://translate.google.se/translate...2c3e-107-cm%2F
post #1436 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Wortex View Post

Found this:
http://hdtelevizija.com/2011/02/15/r...p42c3e-107-cm/

They claim it's a TX-P42C3 review. Could it be true? Already? They did have some shots of it that didn't seem to be from the show.

Can't read much about it as I don't know the language, but you could see the calibration charts etc...

Passed 3:2/2:2 cadance apparently, 31 ms delay etc.

Nice, seems legit. They got perfect color points in cinema mode! If that carries over to the US models than that would be great news for ST30 buyers.

Black level was .04 cd/m2, which I think is typical for this level of plasma from Panasonic. They also noted great SD processing so maybe Panasonic's new LSI processor is on every model.
post #1437 of 3327
It apparently also "features" double images (mirroring effect from two panes of glass) when viewing off angle (150 degrees).
post #1438 of 3327
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

Yes that's what I had thought at first. But then I was told that it actually did have the outer glass pane, only it was a lot thinner than other models and I guess the gap between the two glass layers was smaller as well.

Confirmed with the service manual.
Filter was bonded.

H_Prestige you should trust what you see.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16691074
post #1439 of 3327
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Originally Posted by shadmeister66 View Post

Thanks Richey for input -and other too. I also wonder about going with the Samsung top plasma( Panny's VT equivalent) over the 2010 or 2011 VT Pannys as the Samsung pricing is quite attractive on the 65"/63" size.????????? Quality seems to be quite close on the two manufacturers.

What is Samsung's equivalent to the Panasonic VT30? They didn't have an equivalent last year to the Panasonic VT25. I Looked at both sets side by side and the flesh tones on the Samsung were nowhere near that of the Panasonic VT25. Also judging by last year's models by Samsung and what I've heard about this year's, looks like 63" is the largest from them. (For Plasma).
post #1440 of 3327
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Originally Posted by GermPlasm View Post

What is Samsung's equivalent to the Panasonic VT30? They didn't have an equivalent last year to the Panasonic VT25. I Looked at both sets side by side and the flesh tones on the Samsung were nowhere near that of the Panasonic VT25. Also judging by last year's models by Samsung and what I've heard about this year's, looks like 63" is the largest from them. (For Plasma).

The Samsung equiv to VT30 is the D8000. While beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think that the titanium finish and claw stand looks repulsive. The D7000 is supposed to have an almost identical picture but is in a more traditional gloss black finish.

Many calibrators from last year remarked that once calibrated the Samsung's were every bit as good as the Panasonic's, only marred with their 96hz cinema smooth bug and sub-standard black levels (which were partially addressed later in the year by a firmware patch).

The rumor is currently that the new Samsungs will have roughly the .004 MLL that last year's V25 had and the VT30 is not expected to make great strides in this area in the way of substantial improvement.
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