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post #151 of 3327
D-Nice indicated the VT25 would have had its "ass handed to it" by the LG at the HDTV shootout if not for a couple issues (with coating & local dimming, IIRC). So it seems like with competitors hot on Panny's heels already, they'll have make improvements just to maintain their lead. Hopefully, that means Kuro tech...or better.
post #152 of 3327
The technology is out there for LED sets to keep up or surpass Plasma in many ways. LG proved that at the VE shootout. In the case of Sony and Samsung it's mostly about the economics (not having sets priced out of the market) of implementing local dimming in their LED sets, especially in larger sizes. So Panasonic cannot just look at other plasma sets as competitors, they have to look at the LED sets too.
post #153 of 3327
So now we're almost into December and January's CES is only a little over a month away. Has there been any more information or leaks regarding Panny's 2011 Plasma line-up?

I think a 70+ in. set would be great because that would mean a lower price on the 65 in. That's the biggest my wall can fit.

I really want the 65" VT25, but I feel like Panny will surpass that technology by leaps and bounds for round 2 of the 3D TVs.
post #154 of 3327
Panasonic already offers two TVs larger than 65 inches, an 85 and a 103. Both are actual products.
post #155 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Derek Dean View Post

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Maybe it's because this is my first big screen TV, but I've been completely happy with my 46" G25. The picture is stunning and I've never seen any sign of floating blacks..... and believe me I've looked and looked and looked. Not to say I don't think other folks see them, I'm just saying I can't see them, so I've come to the conclusion that it's something that some folks are much more sensitive to than others, and I'm fortunate to be one of those that isn't bothered by it.

In any case, after 2 months I'm still giddy every time I turn it on and actually find it hard to turn off at night because I'm so amazed at the beauty of the images it brings into my room.

So, yes...... you can wait for the 2011 models to come out. And then you can wait for the reviews. And of course no matter how good the TVs are, the thing we do best of these forums is to discover what ever imperfections there might be and then debate endlessly about their impact on real world viewing, at which point it will be about July of 2011 and you will begin to wonder if maybe it's worth waiting for the 2012 models, because surely they will be much better.

Just a thought .

Hello Derek ! I just got my 46g25 4 days ago. My first buy was the new Sharp 46" Quattron but I HATED the image quality in SD (because not all channels are in HD here) and the sound of the that tv was so miserable...

It was to replace a Panasonic a TH-42PH9UK (I know this isn't an HD set) but the SD quality was perfect. Even when I sent HD signal over component, the image was clear and crisp. That panel never gave up (still working good) but I wanted to update. The sound on that tv was incradible (separate speakers)compared to the crappy sound on the tv you find on the markets these days...

So I though to buy another panasonic and I went with the 46G25. It handles the SD signals much better than the Sharp (to my taste) and I got struck with the image quality like you. The only HD movie I have is Inglorious Basterds and when I saw the images on the G25 in THX mode, I was blown away. Skin tone seemed spot on and every detail is rendered perfectly (of course a huge stepup from my old PH9UK).

The only thing that kill me is the buzzing sound on the G25. It get worst when the image is really bright. It seems that the sound reflect behind the wall and directly in my ears. If the volume is set to 25 or 30, you can't really hear it but when it is set low at night and there are silent passage, all you can hear is that stupid buzzz sound.

I never heard a thing coming out of my PH9UK. I mean, the G25 is doing more noise than my old 27" Sharp tube tv set (they were buzzin with the flyback and pitch sounds) in the basement for the kids.

So, after all this, I have the opportunity to return that G25 for another one (up to the end of december)... now reading this post and your comment, I am wondering if I am going to get a better or up to date plasma set in 2011... or like you say, if I wait until all the reviews are out for the 2011 panasonic line up, it will be time to wait for the 2012 ones...

Do you hear that buzzing sound ? I mean, it is clearly hearable... I'm wondering if other G25 user have the same issue... Looking around on google, it seems that all plasma tvs are buzzing... never heard my old Panasonic doing that buzing sound... I thougt plasma was the best thing to buy but maybe not... Maybe Panasonic will get new LED tvs this year bigger than 42 inches ?

Maybe it's worth waiting the 2011 models ? What else can match that plasma tv for a similar price ?

Sorry for the long post....


Thanks !
post #156 of 3327
Hey Alesis,

I can confidently say that all of the current-gen G25/VT25's will have the same buzzing you're talking about. It's noticeable on most plasmas nowadays.

You may of not heard it in plasma's in the past because only recently did the majority of plasma manufacturers start using one pane of glass. If you take a look at some of the "low-end" or 2-3 year old plasmas they used 2 panes of glass.

I have a 9G Kuro and also hear the buzzing. After an explanation from Pioneer I was quick to accept the buzzing over the awful "double-imaging" that 2 panes of glass produces.

That being said, I never notice the buzzing any longer and love my Kuro.

My advice - sit back, relax, put on a good movie, and enjoy your Panny.

Cheers bro!
post #157 of 3327
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Originally Posted by bennisten View Post

Hey Alesis,

I can confidently say that all of the current-gen G25/VT25's will have the same buzzing you're talking about. It's noticeable on most plasmas nowadays.

You may of not heard it in plasma's in the past because only recently did the majority of plasma manufacturers start using one pane of glass. If you take a look at some of the "low-end" or 2-3 year old plasmas they used 2 panes of glass.

I have a 9G Kuro and also hear the buzzing. After an explanation from Pioneer I was quick to accept the buzzing over the awful "double-imaging" that 2 panes of glass produces.

That being said, I never notice the buzzing any longer and love my Kuro.

My advice - sit back, relax, put on a good movie, and enjoy your Panny.

Cheers bro!

Hi bennisten,

thanks for the infos and your advice.

About the buzzing, by what I understand, you seem to say that the buzzing we hear come from the panel itself.

I can tell you that the buzzing come from the electronics. Maybe a tiny bit from the panel but mainly from the electronic boards. It's not loud but it's there...

I was watching hockey and since the image is pretty bright, it's clearly buzzing from behind the tv and I can hear the buzzing coming from the electronic boards through the hundreds of holes in the back cover.

As for your advice, yes, I should sit back and enjoy the picture quality. It is really good for sure.

I've tried two LED tvs (sharp quattron and pana d2) and it is no where near the uniformity and black level of the G25. Just to reinforce my love of plasmas. Specially that G25...

You're right, it is a great TV but I would be so curious to hear your 9G Kuro buzzing sound... I'm pretty it's a lot less than the G25 since you seem to enjoy yours and be able to pass over the fact that it is buzzing.

Thanks again for your comments.
post #158 of 3327
Any word on what Panasonic will be revealing at CES in a few weeks?
post #159 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Legoheads View Post

Any word on what Panasonic will be revealing at CES in a few weeks?

I don't know but I can't wait to see what is coming out this year for Panasonic new plasmas...

I have try to sit back and relax and I did try to enjoy my G25 but the buzzing is really getting on my nerves...

So I had three day left before I could not return the TV anymore... so I did return it... I cannot fully enjoy that TV with that stupid noise... and I cannot accept that to fix the issue is to rise the volume to cover the noise... stupid support from panasonic...

Let's hope some good stuff will come out... can't wait to see posts and videos about CES 2011... let's hope for silent new plasmas...
post #160 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alesis View Post

I don't know but I can't wait to see what is coming out this year for Panasonic new plasmas...

I have try to sit back and relax and I did try to enjoy my G25 but the buzzing is really getting on my nerves...

So I had three day left before I could not return the TV anymore... so I did return it... I cannot fully enjoy that TV with that stupid noise... and I cannot accept that to fix the issue is to rise the volume to cover the noise... stupid support from panasonic...

Let's hope some good stuff will come out... can't wait to see posts and videos about CES 2011... let's hope for silent new plasmas...


Yes, new info has been released.


The next Vt line will have

atleast .002 mll
CEL=no rising or floating blacks
thinner
post #161 of 3327
Those specs do sound sweet. Looking forward to seeing what gets unveiled!
post #162 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

Yes, new info has been released.


The next Vt line will have

atleast .002 mll
CEL=no rising or floating blacks
thinner

Nice... let's hope it's silent !
post #163 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

Yes, new info has been released.


The next Vt line will have

atleast .002 mll
CEL=no rising or floating blacks
thinner

Christmas is not a nice time to be playing April Fools. The people who've commented remotely in the know have stated that cel-tech does not automatically mean elimination of floating blacks or rising blacks. .002 would be nice, but it's highly unlikely any real facts will come out until CES for what's planned and even then we won't know real black levels until the sets hit the markets and have been out for enough time to have risen.
post #164 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

Yes, new info has been released.


The next Vt line will have

atleast .002 mll
CEL=no rising or floating blacks
thinner

Only the bolded has been confirmed.
post #165 of 3327
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

Only the bolded has been confirmed.

D-Nice said that there WILL be improvements in black level. I am sure that it will atleast be halved. Which would mean .002 mll lower or more.
post #166 of 3327
Then you're missing where he said (as well as xrox) that CEL does not automatically mean improved black level. Black level will probably be improved, but you won't know until actual models come out. Also, it doesn't automatically prevent rising black levels so right now it's still speculative.

Do remember that everyone was claiming that 2010 Panasonics would be Panakuros and when push came to shove they weren't even remotely close to a 9/9.5G as was originally speculated.
post #167 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

Yes, new info has been released.

Released by whom? By Panasonic?


Quote:


The next Vt line will have
at least .002 mll
CEL=no rising or floating blacks
thinner

Is this info coming from Panasonic themselves? Or some posts on a message forum?
post #168 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Released by whom? By Panasonic?


Is this info coming from Panasonic themselves? Or some posts on a message forum?


I would trust D-Nice more than Panasonic.

Yes, that part about rising blacks hasn't been confirmed, but D-Nice has said:

-CEL used (doesnt mean rising black will end though)
-There will be black improvements (It atleast HAS to be .002 mll lower)
-thinner
post #169 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

D-Nice said that there WILL be improvements in black level. I am sure that it will atleast be halved. Which would mean .002 mll lower or more.

It's ok to hope for .002 fL, but let's not pass it off as confirmed info. VT25 has been measured as low as .0038 fL. That means the VT35 could be as high as .0037 fL and still be an improvement.
post #170 of 3327
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

It's ok to hope for .002 fL, but let's not pass it off as confirmed info. VT25 has been measured as low as .0038 fL. That means the VT35 could be as high as .0037 fL and still be an improvement.

Yes technically, but come on. They wouldn't bother lowering black level unless its a noticable improvement.
post #171 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

Yes technically, but come on. They wouldn't bother lowering black level unless its a noticable improvement.

Was there a noticeable improvement from 2008 to 2009?
post #172 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

Was there a noticeable improvement from 2008 to 2009?

yes.

.007 to .004
post #173 of 3327
I do hope in 2011 Panasonic has fixed the floating blacks and rising black levels. Also thinner models. If they do this, I will gladly purchase their set.

But so far I have a lack of faith when it comes to Panasonic. One can hope they will fix those issues soon.
post #174 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

yes.

.007 to .004

Wrong year

Blacks went from around .009 fL to about .007-.008 fL.
post #175 of 3327
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

I would trust D-Nice more than Panasonic.

Ok that doesn't answer my question, but i presume that you did NOT get this directly from Panasonic right? So none of it has been officially announced or confirmed by Panasonic right?


Quote:


Yes, that part about rising blacks hasn't been confirmed, but D-Nice has said:

-CEL used (doesnt mean rising black will end though)

But in your post above you specifically claimed "CEL=no rising or floating blacks". But from what i understand, CEL does not in itself mean no rising or floating blacks.


Quote:


-There will be black improvements (It at least HAS to be .002 mll lower)

Are those your words, D-Nice's words, or Panasonic's words?


Quote:


-thinner

How much thinner? My G10 claimed new thinner design in the 2009 marketing but it was only a few fractions thinner than the 2008 models. It's still very thick for a flat panel TV.
post #176 of 3327
You know, sometimes I think we need a "D-Nice quotes" thread with them compiled so people stop misquoting him and stating things he says out of context...

and we won't know anything until sets hit the market, we won't have a general idea until CES.
post #177 of 3327
From '09 to '10:

50"/54" went .008 to .004

58"/65" went .006 to .004.
post #178 of 3327
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

You know, sometimes I think we need a "D-Nice quotes" thread with them compiled so people stop misquoting him and stating things he says out of context...

and we won't know anything until sets hit the market, we won't have a general idea until CES.

A general idea is more than knowing nothing.
post #179 of 3327
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Originally Posted by QZ1 View Post

A general idea is more than knowing nothing.

Well, CES tells you what a company says a product will do and shows you what it can do within the context of the environment they're displayed in. Unless they have their plasmas in pitch black viewing rooms, we won't have any honest MLL readings until the sets are released and we further will have no idea whether or not 2011 Panasonics will rise/float their black levels until expert reviewers and other videophiles get their hands on them.
post #180 of 3327
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

Well, CES tells you what a company says a product will do and shows you what it can do within the context of the environment they're displayed in. Unless they have their plasmas in pitch black viewing rooms, we won't have any honest MLL readings until the sets are released and we further will have no idea whether or not 2011 Panasonics will rise/float their black levels until expert reviewers and other videophiles get their hands on them.

why not just wait for CES 2011 before jumping to conclusions?
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