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post #241 of 3327
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Last year, the larger sizes in the VT25 series were not available until late srping/summer. The smaller sizes and lower-end models were the ones available in March. Same for the previous year, so a good bet it will be the same in 2011.

So are you saying that the 50" VT35 will be available in March?
post #242 of 3327
I've kept track of Panasonic release dates, of their top three lines, over the last two model years. I've also heard about when the '11 Panasonics are, supposedly, going to arrive; (though, we'll have official word in three days, anyway). Please see this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...3&postcount=47
post #243 of 3327
Ok, so here's how it goes down. It starts with the 65vt25 for $3199 as a sure thing down to a S2 floor model for $1399? Price eventually became an issue with my wife especially as the salesman was wrapping up a floor demo for himself, a 63" Samsung plasma non 3D and showed us the 65" S2 next to it that he said he could do a good deal on. She bit and after much feet dragging I eventually gave in. Not fully though, as I only allowed a deposit to be left so I could sit and stew on the matter some more and see if we really are getting a good deal.

Am I? I don't know. I know it's not as good as the VT25 and that it is discontinued. New it looks like I can pick it up for $1899.99. It will be coming with the (or a) remote control and the pedestal is included. (You would think that the pedestal shouldn't be a problem, but I was looking at a Best Buy floor model and the sales guy said they throw their pedestals away? Seems like such a waste.)

Anyway, the 65VT25 seemed to go to be true and I guess it was. I have to be honest I still wasn't personally sold on spending about $3500 with tax on a new technology that looks like it still is in flux. Active/ passive glasses, maybe no glasses at all? And as I read more on this site and others the possibility of Panasonic adding the Kuro tech from Pioneer seems closer to reality come 2011. (Guess we don't have to wait long to find that one out.)

So, my question to you guys now. Is this a good deal? Should I go with the warranty? 2 years for $199, 3 years for $299, or 5 years for $399? What is the resale market like for TV's like this one if I want to sell it in 2 years or so and go with an upgraded 3D TV at a later date? Are there other comparable options to the S2 out there for around this same price?

Thanks again for all your help and input. It is appreciated. I'll probably be making the final arrangements later today so I'll be checking back to see what input comes and will keep you informed on the final decisions.
post #244 of 3327
I don't think that has anything to do with 2011 models we are looking for info on. Start your own thread with the question you are asking? My advice is always to get the best you can afford but I don't know what your finances are.
post #245 of 3327
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I don't think that has anything to do with 2011 models we are looking for info on.

Duly noted! Will correct.
post #246 of 3327
I'm so tired of all the speculation. Need to know if it's happening or not. Otherwise i'm buying a real kuro..
post #247 of 3327
Anyone from AVS planning to be at the Panasonic press event?

Panasonic

January 5, 2011, 3:00 PM - 3:45 PM
Bellini 2101, The Venetian

Panasonic will highlight technology and product developments, including the latest in 3D and connected VIERA, Blu-ray and other product news, as well as innovative solutions for consumer entertainment. The company also plans to make announcements on important corporate initiatives and strategic developments.
post #248 of 3327
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Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post
So are you saying that the 50" VT35 will be available in March?
No. The S series was available last year in March, not the VT series.
post #249 of 3327
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Originally Posted by phlevin View Post
Anyone from AVS planning to be at the Panasonic press event?

Panasonic

January 5, 2011, 3:00 PM - 3:45 PM
Bellini 2101, The Venetian

Panasonic will highlight technology and product developments, including the latest in 3D and connected VIERA, Blu-ray and other product news, as well as innovative solutions for consumer entertainment. The company also plans to make announcements on important corporate initiatives and strategic developments.
I don't land in Vegas until 6:30PM
post #250 of 3327
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post
No. The S series was available last year in March, not the VT series.
Supply on the VT is tightening up, so it is possible they could arrive, in some sizes a little earlier than May of 2011.
post #251 of 3327
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Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

We wont learn ANYTHING from CES, other then see the new cosmetics, and hear PR marketing BS

What have we learned from you? Every bit of "info" I've ever seen you post about 2011 Panasonics has been unsubstantiated fantasy. It will be like every year, we will get bits and pieces until actual sets start hitting the market and appearing on Panasonic's site.
post #252 of 3327
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Originally Posted by PhillMan17 View Post

I don't land in Vegas until 6:30PM

Give or take a few pat downs!
post #253 of 3327
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Originally Posted by ob1spyker View Post

Ok, so here's how it goes down. It starts with the 65vt25 for $3199 as a sure thing down to a S2 floor model for $1399? Price eventually became an issue with my wife especially as the salesman was wrapping up a floor demo for himself, a 63" Samsung plasma non 3D and showed us the 65" S2 next to it that he said he could do a good deal on. She bit and after much feet dragging I eventually gave in. Not fully though, as I only allowed a deposit to be left so I could sit and stew on the matter some more and see if we really are getting a good deal.

Am I? I don't know. I know it's not as good as the VT25 and that it is discontinued. New it looks like I can pick it up for $1899.99. It will be coming with the (or a) remote control and the pedestal is included. (You would think that the pedestal shouldn't be a problem, but I was looking at a Best Buy floor model and the sales guy said they throw their pedestals away? Seems like such a waste.)

Anyway, the 65VT25 seemed to go to be true and I guess it was. I have to be honest I still wasn't personally sold on spending about $3500 with tax on a new technology that looks like it still is in flux. Active/ passive glasses, maybe no glasses at all? And as I read more on this site and others the possibility of Panasonic adding the Kuro tech from Pioneer seems closer to reality come 2011. (Guess we don't have to wait long to find that one out.)

So, my question to you guys now. Is this a good deal? Should I go with the warranty? 2 years for $199, 3 years for $299, or 5 years for $399? What is the resale market like for TV's like this one if I want to sell it in 2 years or so and go with an upgraded 3D TV at a later date? Are there other comparable options to the S2 out there for around this same price?

Thanks again for all your help and input. It is appreciated. I'll probably be making the final arrangements later today so I'll be checking back to see what input comes and will keep you informed on the final decisions.

Use your Amex card, if you have one, to buy it and get an extra year's warranty, otherwise don't bother with buying more warranty. I doubt they throw the pedestals away - he just can't find it in the stockroom. Ultimate Electronics had the P65S2 on sale for $1,599 a couple weeks ago brand new so you might want to wait (if you want a brand new one) as you'll see those prices again as they clear out the 2010 models for the 2011 models in the late spring/early summer. As for resale? No one knows. I think you'd be lucky if you get 1/3rd to 1/2 of what you paid, if that, the way prices are dropping.

With floor models I'd check the number of hours on the set and see if you are comfy with how much it's logged already. As always, use a flashlight with the screen off to check for hairline cracks and check for dead pixels with the screen on (easiest way to do that is load the coloured slides mentioned on the 2010 Panasonic Settings thread). Be happy with the condition of the unit otherwise too. I'd ask for some freebies to be thrown in - mount, cables, etc.
post #254 of 3327
Darth Vader is going to make an announcement at CES. He's going to be at the Panasonic booth.

http://theforce.net/latestnews/story...CES_135892.asp

Obviously, the Dark Lord himself is going to talk about black levels.

Seriously, it's probably just a video game thingy or maybe about the upcoming Star Wars Blu-rays.
post #255 of 3327
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Originally Posted by eonibm View Post

Use your Amex card, if you have one, to buy it and get an extra year's warranty, otherwise don't bother with buying more warranty. I doubt they throw the pedestals away - he just can't find it in the stockroom. Ultimate Electronics had the P65S2 on sale for $1,599 a couple weeks ago brand new so you might want to wait (if you want a brand new one) as you'll see those prices again as they clear out the 2010 models for the 2011 models in the late spring/early summer. As for resale? No one knows. I think you'd be lucky if you get 1/3rd to 1/2 of what you paid, if that, the way prices are dropping.

With floor models I'd check the number of hours on the set and see if you are comfy with how much it's logged already. As always, use a flashlight with the screen off to check for hairline cracks and check for dead pixels with the screen on (easiest way to do that is load the coloured slides mentioned on the 2010 Panasonic Settings thread). Be happy with the condition of the unit otherwise too. I'd ask for some freebies to be thrown in - mount, cables, etc.

If you go into the service menu on these Panny's, does it reset all settings like others sets do?

Where is the amount of hours located in the SM?

How do you access the SM for the G20?
post #256 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye101 View Post

Sorry I should have mentioned about the 96Hz on the VT25 series. I don't know anything about those models. I swear I remember reading something about them having some kind of glitch in the 96Hz mode. Don't remember.

There is no glitch in VT25's 96Hz mode. It works perfectly fine, unlike the 48Hz mode.

What you might have heard is that very few people here reported a tiny trace of flickering on the bright areas of some scenes in the 96Hz mode (which they didn't see in the 60Hz mode). But even that is imperceptible to most of us. So no issue at all.
post #257 of 3327
Ok, what about going back to the 2011 models discussion ?
post #258 of 3327
Honestly I'm just hoping for a slight improvement in black levels, floating blacks being about the same as they were on the VT25 for all models, a fairly sizeable reduction in the amount that blacks will rise with the rise occurring over a greater amount of time, and models that aren't flagship ones with a 96Hz mode. I think all of that is reasonable and likely. Anything else will just be icing on the cake.
post #259 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RoboPlato View Post

Honestly I'm just hoping for a slight improvement in black levels, floating blacks being about the same as they were on the VT25 for all models, a fairly sizeable reduction in the amount that blacks will rise with the rise occurring over a greater amount of time, and models that aren't flagship ones with a 96Hz mode. I think all of that is reasonable and likely. Anything else will just be icing on the cake.

Wow. Not afraid to set the bar low are we?
post #260 of 3327
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Originally Posted by calvin35 View Post

Wow. Not afraid to set the bar low are we?

Or he's just being realistic based on Panasonic's track record.
post #261 of 3327
Whatv I have taken browsing this forum is that these VT30 series will surpass the Kuros.
CES is only two days away then we will know.
post #262 of 3327
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Originally Posted by m4bama View Post

Whatv I have taken browsing this forum is that these VT30 series will surpass the Kuros.
CES is only two days away then we will know.

Not one single insider post has indicated they will surpass even the 8G Kuro with the new Panasonic. Not sure how you draw that out.

It is possible, but no info to support it at this point.
post #263 of 3327
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Or he's just being realistic based on Panasonic's track record.

Yep. I don't think that Panasonic is targeting the videophile market and they know that LG and Samsung don't really take plasma seriously so they're only going to make some slight improvements to picture quality and huge improvements to aesthetics.
post #264 of 3327
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Originally Posted by m4bama View Post

Whatv I have taken browsing this forum is that these VT30 series will surpass the Kuros.
CES is only two days away then we will know.

Keep dreaming.
post #265 of 3327
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Originally Posted by m4bama View Post

Whatv I have taken browsing this forum is that these VT30 series will surpass the Kuros.
CES is only two days away then we will know.

Surpassing 8G Kuros is realistic. Just matching 9G Kuros would be a huge surprise.
post #266 of 3327
OK. What's the difference between the GT30 and VT30 models ?

http://www.twice.com/article/461695-...D_Versions.php
post #267 of 3327
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

OK. What's the difference between the GT30 and VT30 models ?

http://www.twice.com/article/461695-...D_Versions.php

VT30 has black panel pro 2 vs black panel 2 on the GT30. I'm sure there are other differences as well.
post #268 of 3327
You gotta think, even if the blacks to indeed still double, .002-->.004 is not bad at all.
post #269 of 3327
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Originally Posted by gmen82 View Post

You gotta think, even if the blacks to indeed still double, .002-->.004 is not bad at all.

That would be true EXCEPT that you pay a premium to get those blacks over the competition.
post #270 of 3327
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