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post #2581 of 3327
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Originally Posted by QZ1 View Post

Well, but that isn't all they said; they said it was 'addressed and sorted'. 'Sorted', IIRC, is a word Britons might use in this context. I don't know what it means in that sentence. Probably, 'fixed'?

I dunno, just because that stack of invitation letters have been addressed and sorted, that doesn't mean they've been mailed.

I wonder why someone didn't press the guy on exactly what he means, or get clarification or verification if these issues have actually been fixed or not.
post #2582 of 3327
Sorted means... taken care of or resolved.
post #2583 of 3327
"black levels will no longer rise after initial use to compensate for panel aging"

If they said that, then that implies that the problem should be eliminated.
post #2584 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Nobl3 View Post

"black levels will no longer rise after initial use to compensate for panel aging"

If they said that, then that implies that the problem should be eliminated.

Or it means that black levels will rise for other reasons other than compensating for panel aging.
post #2585 of 3327
this thread has become a train wreck:

I would ask that we move on please

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post #2586 of 3327
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

this thread has become a train wreck:

I would ask that we move on please

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Thank god.
post #2587 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I dunno, just because that stack of invitation letters have been addressed and sorted, that doesn't mean they've been mailed.

I wonder why someone didn't press the guy on exactly what he means, or get clarification or verification if these issues have actually been fixed or not.

I don't understand the issue.... The guy said that black levels no longer rise..... "There's now no black level shift to compensate for stabilising brightness levels after initial use"
post #2588 of 3327
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Originally Posted by mustangs1 View Post

I don't understand the issue.... The guy said that black levels no longer rise..... "There's now no black level shift to compensate for stabilising brightness levels after initial use"

I'm sorry but do you have a link to where you read that? That sounds pretty clear to me.
post #2589 of 3327
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

I'm sorry but do you have a link to where you read that? That sounds pretty clear to me.

I guess it depends on "who" said it.. but people have been known to say one thing and be wrong before too..so everything is with a little salt nowadays.
post #2590 of 3327
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

I'm sorry but do you have a link to where you read that? That sounds pretty clear to me.

http://hdguru.com/panasonic-proclaim...asma-tvs/4241/
post #2591 of 3327
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post

I guess it depends on "who" said it.. but people have been known to say one thing and be wrong before too..so everything is with a little salt nowadays.

Yah I have to agree with that.

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post #2592 of 3327
The newer VT30 is suppose to be brighter. The VT25 seems very dark to me. These sets are always displayed in a dark room but in a brightly lit room the picture will look more washed out. 30% should make a world of differnece. Do you guys know if all their sets will have the new brighter, faster phosophors?
post #2593 of 3327
Hype....Good, bad, proof is in the pudding. Cant wait till the VT30 comes out.
post #2594 of 3327
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Originally Posted by CantTouchThis View Post

I hope your expectation of 0.002 ftL comes true. It would be fantastic, even if it doubled or tripled after 3 years.

But I'm not so optimistic. The last indication I remember from D-Nice was that the expected 40% improvement in contrast on the VT30 would be 30pp due to improved brightness and only 10pp due to improved blacks. That would mean MLL only 10% below last year's 0.004 ftL.

I give more credit to D-Nice than to a Panny engineer, who has a vested interest in promoting his company's products.

But maybe I missed a more recent update from D-Nice.

I remember him saying this, as well. If that's the case, then it's .0035 ish.
post #2595 of 3327
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

Flatpanelshd reviewed the GT30 and said it had the same black level as VT25 (.004fL). I think the VE crew is about to review the GT30 so hopefully we will get confirmation.

Flatpanels is not to be trusted, when it comes to MLL.

Also, I don't get it, why I keep readring 0.004ftl on this board for the VT20, cause Katzmaier measured 0.009 cd/m2 last year, what would mean 0.0027 ftl.
post #2596 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Jeipii View Post

Also, it's very good news that flatpanelshd got 0,03 cd/m^2 measurement from their g30 because, if their meter (even though it might not be accurate measuring low mlls) has any consistensy, their measurement would really mean that g30 has a mll very close to VT20 which sounds pretty good to me.

They measured 0.03 cd/m2 for the G10 also.
post #2597 of 3327
They measured a 9G Kuro at .02 candelas

The other thing about that review- mention of black level for the GT30 is compared to 2010 high end models, plural.

So what does that mean? It can't be a comparison to the GT25 that they reviewed since it was measuring .06 cd/m^2 on their meter. I think the VT25 measured .04 and the G20 was .03, so who knows what it'll be.

I took more stock in the GT30/VT30 comparison photo from the Panasonic employee. I mean, since it was taken on a cell phone, I don't know what that'll be, either.

The only person who I think knows is D-Nice and he was saying the VT30 will be between 8 and 9G Kuro in MLL. There was also mention of the GT being similar in performance to the ST.

We'll find out next week.
post #2598 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

Flatpanels is not to be trusted, when it comes to MLL.

Also, I don't get it, why I keep readring 0.004ftl on this board for the VT20, cause Katzmaier measured 0.009 cd/m2 last year, what would mean 0.0027 ftl.

David does not report measurements in cd/m2. He does fL just like everyone else in America. He also did not measure .0027fL. He measured .004fL like everyone else.
post #2599 of 3327
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

He measured .004fL like everyone else.

I think you mean 0.007ftL.
post #2600 of 3327
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Originally Posted by pneumatic View Post


I think you mean 0.007ftL.

No I did not mean .007fL as .007fL was after the first rise.
post #2601 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

They measured 0.03 cd/m2 for the G10 also.

Darn, I guess their GT30 reviews mll measurement is not to be trusted I'm just hoping that GT30 would be close to VT25 black levels.
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Is it true that the new frame interpolation feature is limited to just 3d mode and not 2d? Also how aggressive is it compared to the c8000? From what I read on a few posts with info copied from cnet that seems to be the case with the st and gt models but it doesnt say anything about the vt30 model. I was considering a sammy d7000 or d8000 but since they removed mjc from this years models i am now seriously considering a gt30 or vt30 if panasonic has added this feature to 2d.
post #2603 of 3327
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post
David does not report measurements in cd/m2. He does fL just like everyone else in America. He also did not measure .0027fL. He measured .004fL like everyone else.
Oh, sorry, than I mistook the 0.009 cd/m2 emasurement with hdtvtest.co.ok
post #2604 of 3327
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Originally Posted by turbo94gt View Post
Is it true that the new frame interpolation feature is limited to just 3d mode and not 2d? Also how aggressive is it compared to the c8000? From what I read on a few posts with info copied from cnet that seems to be the case with the st and gt models but it doesnt say anything about the vt30 model. I was considering a sammy d7000 or d8000 but since they removed mjc from this years models i am now seriously considering a gt30 or vt30 if panasonic has added this feature to 2d.
on their website they mention both a 3d 24p cinema smoother and a 24p cinema smoother...so my guess would be both.
post #2605 of 3327
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post
They measured a 9G Kuro at .02 candelas

The other thing about that review- mention of black level for the GT30 is compared to 2010 high end models, plural.

So what does that mean? It can't be a comparison to the GT25 that they reviewed since it was measuring .06 cd/m^2 on their meter. I think the VT25 measured .04 and the G20 was .03, so who knows what it'll be.

I took more stock in the GT30/VT30 comparison photo from the Panasonic employee. I mean, since it was taken on a cell phone, I don't know what that'll be, either.

The only person who I think knows is D-Nice and he was saying the VT30 will be between 8 and 9G Kuro in MLL. There was also mention of the GT being similar in performance to the ST.

We'll find out next week.
V20 and VT20? Both had the same MLL.

Either way, I wouldn't stress over the language used. It's a translated review after all.
post #2606 of 3327
Thread Starter 
I think there is a difference between the european VT20 and the american VT25...

The European measures 0.009 cd/m² [0.002-0.003 fl] and the american measures 0.004 fl.
post #2607 of 3327
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

V20 and VT20? Both had the same MLL.

Either way, I wouldn't stress over the language used. It's a translated review after all.

This is true considering that the reviewer didn't even notice a difference between the G20 and the VT25 in mll.
post #2608 of 3327
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Originally Posted by david437 View Post

I think there is a difference between the european VT20 and the american VT25...

The European measures 0.009 cd/m² [0.002-0.003 fl] and the american measures 0.004 fl.

I think there's something wrong with the meter over at hdtvtest.
post #2609 of 3327
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

I think there's something wrong with the meter over at hdtvtest.

They use the best meter for the task.

For the 50VT20 and V20 plasmas they measured .0026 fL and for the 46VT20 they got .0037 fL.

Interestingly, hdtvtest measures ANSI contrast nowadays and for the 46VT20 they got something like .01 fL. So like you were saying earlier, the 2011 range seems to have an advantage here by holding on to the same black level.
post #2610 of 3327
Has it been confirmed that the GT30 will do 24p/96Hz?.
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