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post #3061 of 3327
here we go guys....ive been waiting....and waiting...and waiting...pre purchased....and waiting....and waiting and here it is....side by side vt25 vs vt30......

at least i think its a vt25 vs vt30

http://avclub.gr/forum/showthread.php?p=1056063155

enjoy


p/s sorry avs moderator.....its from a different forum....from a different country
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post #3062 of 3327
If I'm reading the information from that site correctly, it appears that the VT30 is also available in an 85 inch size (or will be available in the future.) It was rumored in the past that there will be an 85 inch set to be released in late winter of 2011.

The website is from Greece. According to a translation into English, the comparison pics are between a VT20 and VT30. Also these comparison pics have been floating around the Net for a few days now and have been posted on other A/V forums, but I believe that the Greek forum is wrong and you are right. It compares a VT25 and a VT30.
post #3063 of 3327
42 inch VT30 review is now up at hdtvtest. No link as i'm not sure if they are allowed or not. Anyway enjoy...
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post #3065 of 3327
I picked up the S30 a couple days ago and I'm really having a hard time getting over how washed out this TV looks during the daytime. It looks awesome in the evening, but watching daytime sports on the weekends is not going to be very enjoyable.

I read in an first impressions thread that the ST30 looked much better under light, is this true? Would it be worth $300 to make the switch? I don't plan to watch any 3D.. Should I go with a different brand altogether?

Sorry just looking for some opinions
post #3066 of 3327
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Originally Posted by SpyGuy311 View Post

I picked up the S30 a couple days ago and I'm really having a hard time getting over how washed out this TV looks during the daytime. It looks awesome in the evening, but watching daytime sports on the weekends is not going to be very enjoyable.

I read in an first impressions thread that the ST30 looked much better under light, is this true? Would it be worth $300 to make the switch? I don't plan to watch any 3D.. Should I go with a different brand altogether?

The other brands entry level models are also reflective like the S30. The mid-to-high-end models are the ones with good AR Filters.

The ST30 has a new AR Filter that is very effective in a bright room (moreso than last year's high-end models). The S30 on the other hand has no AR Filter at all and is a poor choice for daytime or bright room viewing (similar to last years very reflective U2). Even if you don't use the 3D feature, the ST30 has a much better panel that's brighter and has more contrast, not to mention it's a lot less reflective. It's easily worth the extra money over the S30.

Can you return the S30?
post #3067 of 3327
The Greek forum pictures of the VT20 vs VT30 are originally from a French forum; the person who arranged the pictures is an AV guy. He actually came over to High Def Junkies (the VT30 Q&A thread there) and answered some questions about the set-up of the comparison. Worth a read, for those curious.
post #3068 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The other brands entry level models are also reflective like the S30. The mid-to-high-end models are the ones with good AR Filters.

The ST30 has a new AR Filter that is very effective in a bright room (moreso than last year's high-end models). The S30 on the other hand has no AR Filter at all and is a poor choice for daytime or bright room viewing (similar to last years very reflective U2). Even if you don't use the 3D feature, the ST30 has a much better panel that's brighter and has more contrast, not to mention it's a lot less reflective. It's easily worth the extra money over the S30.

Can you return the S30?

Thanks for the info. No AR filter at all? Why would they do that.. The specs I found online made it look like the ST30 was basically the S30 with 3D.

I got it from BestBuy on Friday so returning it should be no problem. I'll get the ST30 on Monday then.
post #3069 of 3327
I'm looking for a midrange plasma for a media room and am trying to decide between something like the 55" ST30 and the 50" GT30. Both are similar price, but I'm wondering if it's worth the 5"... is the GT's picture quality better enough to warrant giving up on some extra screen space? I mainly will be watching a lot of TV, occasional movies, and LOTS of playing games (competitive fighting games too, so low input lag is important). I would like to use 3D a bit too.

I know the ST30 lacks THX (I really don't even know what that means though lol... some picture mode), so I'm not sure if that's a big deal or not in the long run for my needs. I am sometimes in the mindset that bigger is better, but I will be furnishing a 14 x 14 media room so I realistically will be sitting maybe 8-9 feet away.

Edit: I do want the best picture quality possible, but if it's just a negligible amount on the GT30 then that's not a huge deal.
post #3070 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Riot55 View Post

I'm looking for a midrange plasma for a media room and am trying to decide between something like the 55" ST30 and the 50" GT30. Both are similar price, but I'm wondering if it's worth the 5"... is the GT's picture quality better enough to warrant giving up on some extra screen space? I mainly will be watching a lot of TV, occasional movies, and LOTS of playing games (competitive fighting games too, so low input lag is important). I would like to use 3D a bit too.

I know the ST30 lacks THX (I really don't even know what that means though lol... some picture mode), so I'm not sure if that's a big deal or not in the long run for my needs. I am sometimes in the mindset that bigger is better, but I will be furnishing a 14 x 14 media room so I realistically will be sitting maybe 8-9 feet away.


Going by what you said I would suggest the 55 ST30.
post #3071 of 3327
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Originally Posted by sa View Post

hdtvtest VT30 test link

Thanks. I would love to see the MLL of the 65". The 42" has probably a higher MLL.
post #3072 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

Thanks. I would love to see the MLL of the 65". The 42" has probably a higher MLL.

According to D-Nice the difference in MLL between the smallest size and largest size 14G Panasonic (VT30, etc) would be on the order of .00000x type of difference.

Which is odd, because I thought the 65" last year measured a bit better than the smaller ones.

However, he measured a crap load of them so I guess he knows what he is talking about.

.0035 is still very good, although it will probably go up over time.
post #3073 of 3327
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Originally Posted by cambotwist View Post

here we go guys....ive been waiting....and waiting...and waiting...pre purchased....and waiting....and waiting and here it is....side by side vt25 vs vt30......

at least i think its a vt25 vs vt30

http://avclub.gr/forum/showthread.php?p=1056063155

enjoy


p/s sorry avs moderator.....its from a different forum....from a different country
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VT30 has such a nicer bezel. VT25 looks outdated next to it.
post #3074 of 3327
From the hdtvtest-review-> "We managed to minimise the slightly exaggerated shadow detail that we've seen on the 2011 Panasonic Plasma televisions, but we couldn't obliterate it entirely. As you can see from the Gamma tracking chart (right), there is still a slight bump at the 10% stimulus level. We had to lower the 10 IRE Gain setting to -30 (its lowest position) to achieve this result."

Hmmm, 2.1 at 10IRE. So it seems, we need the use of the servicemenu here to reach 2.22, let alone 2.40!

Anyone knows, if the 10point-control is available in the servicemenu?


@jmpage2
Thanks! So it seems, the VT30 is with 0.008 cd/m2 a little worse than my tuned PK350 in On/Off MLL. On the other hand, the VT30 has 35% better MLL in ANSI-pattern and way less IR than my LG.
post #3075 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

@jmpage2
Thanks! So it seems, the VT30 is with 0.008 cd/m2 a little worse than my tuned PK350 in On/Off MLL. On the other hand, the VT30 has 35% better MLL in ANSI-pattern and way less IR than my LG.

Aaaarrghh, I have to correct myself:

0.012 cd/m2 On/Off and 0.013 cd/m2 in ANSI?? Unfortunatley that's not as good as my tuned LG, which features 0.005 cd/m2 On/Off (0.007 cd/m2 with IR staright after watchign a movie) and 0.012 cd/m2 ANSI.
post #3076 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

Aaaarrghh, I have to correct myself:

0.012 cd/m2 On/Off and 0.013 cd/m2 in ANSI?? Unfortunatley that's not as good as my tuned LG, which features 0.005 cd/m2 On/Off (0.007 cd/m2 with IR staright after watchign a movie) and 0.012 cd/m2 ANSI.

Your LG must be a local dimming variety, since that's the only thing that would pull those kind of numbers for black level.

On the whole though I have always found the overall PQ of PDP technology to be superior to that of any kind of LCD/LED setup.

You can't judge the PQ by just one number.

If you look at the calibration report on the VT30 the results are outstanding. Very uniform RGB tracking post-calibration and gamma that looks to be smack on between 2.2 and 2.3.
post #3077 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

Aaaarrghh, I have to correct myself:

0.012 cd/m2 On/Off and 0.013 cd/m2 in ANSI?? Unfortunatley that's not as good as my tuned LG, which features 0.005 cd/m2 On/Off (0.007 cd/m2 with IR staright after watchign a movie) and 0.012 cd/m2 ANSI.

Go take a hike. There's no way your budget LG PK350 can even break 0,08cd/m2 in On/Off. I can't see that budget LG even break 0,1cd/m2 ANSI. Now keep dreaming.
post #3078 of 3327
Thread Starter 
"tuned" LG Plasma... you know what that means ? The blacklevel will rise after short time and he has to readjust again.
post #3079 of 3327
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The "grain" is from the film (air pockets). I have the exact same effect on the GT30 I have up until I removed the film. The bezel on the GT30 is gloss black and is identical to the EU's bezel.


At the risk of beating a dead horse, this detailed review link (below) confirms that the UK version of the GT30 does indeed have a brushed metal finish bezel (see the "Design" portion), so the OP was apparently correct. I just wish the USA version would have the same, but alas not.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1104231092.htm
post #3080 of 3327
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Originally Posted by sa View Post

hdtvtest VT30 test link

Thanks. A very thorough and mostly positive review of the UK version. Unfortunately they are still seeing what we in the USA call (for some reason) "floating blacks." Any chance FBs are less of an issue on the USA models?
post #3081 of 3327
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Originally Posted by david437 View Post

"tuned" LG Plasma... you know what that means ? The blacklevel will rise after short time and he has to readjust again.

Only once since I did it in July 2010.

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Originally Posted by $$Buck-Naked$$ View Post

Go take a hike. There's no way your budget LG PK350 can even break 0,08cd/m2 in On/Off. I can't see that budget LG even break 0,1cd/m2 ANSI. Now keep dreaming.

You ever heard of a screwdriver?
post #3082 of 3327
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

If you look at the calibration report on the VT30 the results are outstanding. Very uniform RGB tracking post-calibration and gamma that looks to be smack on between 2.2 and 2.3.

I have smack on gamma at 2.38 from IRE10 to IRE 95. Unfortunatley I was only able to achieve 1.99 at IRE5 - any lower and that rough PWM-Noise near black of the LG wouldn't allow or picturedetail anymore.
post #3083 of 3327
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post


At the risk of beating a dead horse, this detailed review link (below) confirms that the UK version of the GT30 does indeed have a brushed metal finish bezel (see the "Design" portion), so the OP was apparently correct. I just wish the USA version would have the same, but alas not.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1104231092.htm

Again? The GT30s do not have a brushed metal finish. The only thing close to being brushed metal is the inner and outer silver trim. Look at the photo of the UK bezel which clearly has the factory protective film on it and go look at a US GT30 right out of the box. They will both appear to have a brushed metal appearance under the film... which again is nothing more than air pockets. Pull the film off and see what happened to your brush metal finish.... It's gone!
post #3084 of 3327
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post


According to D-Nice the difference in MLL between the smallest size and largest size 14G Panasonic (VT30, etc) would be on the order of .00000x type of difference.

Which is odd, because I thought the 65" last year measured a bit better than the smaller ones.

However, he measured a crap load of them so I guess he knows what he is talking about.

.0035 is still very good, although it will probably go up over time.

The difference is 0.000x not 0.00000x.
post #3085 of 3327
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

At the risk of beating a dead horse, this detailed review link (below) confirms that the UK version of the GT30 does indeed have a brushed metal finish bezel (see the "Design" portion), so the OP was apparently correct. I just wish the USA version would have the same, but alas not.

Maybe the UK reviewer didn't realize that the bezel still had the protective film on it? If you blow up the closeup pic of the UK GT30 bezel you can see the slightly ratty bottom edge of the film, and you can see the grainy lines extending through the PANASONIC logo which looks like a continuation of the film. I don't think Panasonic would have such lines running through their logo. The reviewer may just have simply missed it. How many of us have discovered a heretofore unseen protective film over our cell phone screens or alarm clock faces or VCR display a month or two after buying it?

post #3086 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

If I'm reading the information from that site correctly, it appears that the VT30 is also available in an 85 inch size (or will be available in the future.) It was rumored in the past that there will be an 85 inch set to be released in late winter of 2011.

The website is from Greece. According to a translation into English, the comparison pics are between a VT20 and VT30. Also these comparison pics have been floating around the Net for a few days now and have been posted on other A/V forums, but I believe that the Greek forum is wrong and you are right. It compares a VT25 and a VT30.

85" would be great provided it is 4K. Mind you I realize you won't find much native 4K media however 4K upscaled would be much better than 1080p on such a large screen.
post #3087 of 3327
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Maybe the UK reviewer didn't realize that the bezel still had the protective film on it? If you blow up the closeup pic of the UK GT30 bezel you can see the slightly ratty bottom edge of the film, and you can see the grainy lines extending through the PANASONIC logo which looks like a continuation of the film. I don't think Panasonic would have such lines running through their logo. The reviewer may just have simply missed it. How many of us have discovered a heretofore unseen protective film over our cell phone screens or alarm clock faces or VCR display a month or two after buying it?


Hey Randy,

I was aware of the presence of the film, but wasn't aware that the surface underneath was totally flat. Is it completely smooth material underneath? This review sample actually came from a store, so I wanted to keep the TV as pristine and new as possible for them. Regardless, I do like the look of the GT30 a lot.

Thanks for the heads-up, guys.
post #3088 of 3327
Something I noticed about the VT30 and GT30 shots is the power button is GREEN when on were as my ST30 has been red since the day I bought it....is that normal?

EDIT just checked on the preview video of the ST30 over on CNET and it had the red light to.....kind of an odd choice to use a red light.
post #3089 of 3327
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

I have smack on gamma at 2.38 from IRE10 to IRE 95. Unfortunatley I was only able to achieve 1.99 at IRE5 - any lower and that rough PWM-Noise near black of the LG wouldn't allow or picturedetail anymore.

Got it, your LG is great. One must wonder what you are doing in a Panasonic thread since it apparently doesn't measure up to your standards.
post #3090 of 3327
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The difference is 0.000x not 0.00000x.

Thanks for the clarification.

So, if the 42" measured .0035 then the 65" could measure as low as .0030? If so, sweet!
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