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post #1 of 36
7/26/10 at 9:33pm
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ill try to keep it short ..sorry if i write too much...

-buy refurb 50 inch led tv for $1k from tiger and it comes with rainbow effect on all corners , lower left corner being super noticeable.
-return the tv and decide to actually stop being cheap and go to bestbuy
-buy the LN46C750 , for 2.3k (with ensurance), when i get home i noticed all four corners had a bright colorless strobe of light pointing to the middle of the screen.
-i return the tv and tell them i loved the model so id like to just exchange for the same model, but b4 i were to take it home id like for them to open it up and check to see if it has the same problem.

-they open 3 of the same kind, and they were at least 2-3 times worse than the one i took home. on the 4th tv they open, i didnt notice the problem.
-i get home i conect to pc and open photoshop to display a black picture on to the screen, thats when i realized why i hadn't seen the strobes at the store... it was because the ENTIRE screen was leaking light, kinda looked like clouds... anyways..
-return the tv, 2 weeks after i go to another bestbuy and i buy a UN46c6900vf for a lil more than 2.3k with ensurance (the person helping me this time told me the tv wasnt edge lit so there shouldnt be any problem, but he couldnt open the box because i hadnt payed for the item...)
-i get home i realized i payed $100 more for an older model than the one bought last, and doesnt even include 3D technology and it WAS in fact edge lit)
-turning it on i notice there isnt any fixed strobes of light, BUT, as soon as the image is dark and there is something bright ex: night sky and a bright moon in the center... the bottom part of the sreen in the same vertical direction where the bright item is lights up... so its not a fixed strobe but multiple strobes of light fire up to light the light objects in the middle of the screen.
--where playing a game like bioshock, or deadspace where the setting is darker than usual with few flames or monitors on screen lights up the entire lower part of the screen.


what i want to know from you guys is 2 things...

1. am i being too picky? Should I have settled for what i had got???
2. if answer to #1 is no then does anyone of you know of any models out there where i wont run into the same problem??


-im willing to go as far as to $2k (maybe just a lil bit more)
-image quality needs to be decent and even.
-3D is not a must
-pc connectivity IS a must
-will be using the tv mostly for Vgames/hq movies and specially as a monitor.

if you think you can help me please do.
and lastly thank you for taking your time to read all of this.
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post #2 of 36
7/27/10 at 5:26am
You're being too picky if you want to stay with LCD technology. Try turning down the backlight level, that should help. No display is perfect.

Plasma doesn't have these issues but they have different things that affect them. Pefectionists tend to prefer the plasmas. $2K will buy a 65S1 which is a LOT of screen for the money
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post #3 of 36
7/27/10 at 6:11am
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Your unit may be in running in the Store demo mode also known as "torch mode"
switch to another picture mode and try with the backlighting set to 50%.
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post #4 of 36
7/27/10 at 10:20am
Did I read that right.....$2300+ for a 46" Samsung?

As Servicetech mentioned you can pick up a 65" Panasonic Plasma for that.

I own the Panny and it's a fantastic set for the money.....but you have to be somewhat careful about not leaving static images on it for long periods (as with any plasma).

I game on mine every day with no issues.....but I don't play the same game for 10hrs straight.
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post #5 of 36
7/27/10 at 9:06pm
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um, i wouldnt mind buying a plasma, but honestly how many of you think having a plasma tv as a monitor a good idea??

ps. anyone of you can recomend a 3d plasma?
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post #6 of 36
7/27/10 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by didiodl View Post

um, i wouldnt mind buying a plasma, but honestly how many of you think having a plasma tv as a monitor a good idea??

ps. anyone of you can recomend a 3d plasma?

I have my Plasma hooked to my HTPC. However I a minful not to leave the dektop up for extended periods. 3d is too bleeding edge for me, I'll wait for the price to drop and buy in a few years.
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post #7 of 36
7/27/10 at 9:20pm
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hmm, not sure what to do, and i have to decide by tomorrow, right now im torn between, plasma 3d or a HX800 40 inch from sony... wich is like 1900.. (glasses included) im thinking its a lil bit expensive, but im wondering if its because its a good product, or am i paying for Brand?
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post #8 of 36
7/27/10 at 11:50pm
Sony is nothing special any more. Years ago they were high quality and it showed, now they cut corners at every point and all you are getting is the name. You've tried how many LCD based sets? And you haven't had good luck with any? There is a saying for that....

Try the plasma
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post #9 of 36
7/30/10 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by Matt L View Post

Sony is nothing special any more. Years ago they were high quality and it showed, now they cut corners at every point and all you are getting is the name. You've tried how many LCD based sets? And you haven't had good luck with any? There is a saying for that....

Try the plasma

I have tried 4 sets from sears and now they will not let me return my le810
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post #10 of 36
7/30/10 at 9:55am
I concur with the gentleman above. Both LCD and PDP have drawbacks. I own both.

I feel nearly universally that LCD has a longer list of significant/substantial minuses that affect real-world performance.

You're learning.


James
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post #11 of 36
7/30/10 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by frocco View Post

I have tried 4 sets from sears and now they will not let me return my le810

???

I have never returned an HDTV. I understand if something was broken with the set but have you had four consecutive broken TV's?

I do my research.......I buy the my set and I'm happy (That's how it's gone so far anyway).

BTW......I own an LCD, DLP & Plasma.

Of the three the Plasma has been the best overall......but it's also the biggest and that has a big impact on me. The LCD is a 42"; the DLP is a 61" and the Plasma is 65".

All have their strengths and weaknesses. For movies and HDTV It's plasma FTW. For a computer monitor I prefer LCD's. The DLP's are nice because you get a TON of screen for your dollar and they are light for their size. You can also leave an image frozen on a DLP indefinitely with no ill effects.

They all have their weaknesses as well. Off angle is not very good on LCD's. They can often appear too sharpe/hard for movies. They can be a bit laggy for fast video gaming....they still get pricey when they get big. DLP's have bulbs that need replacing (unless you get the very expensive laserview). They also have moving parts that can fail. You can't hang them on a wall.
Plasmas can still suffer from IR if you're not somewhat careful.......or even burn-in if you're a moron. They are still somewhat heavy and still the biggest power hogs. Reflections can be an issue on some sets.
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post #12 of 36
7/30/10 at 1:37pm
The panasonic was returned because of rising blacks issue. Lg plasma had to much glare in my room. Samsung plasma had ghosting. Le810 has poor viewing angle and I get motion sickness on some shows. The panasonic was the best. Should of kept it.
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post #13 of 36
8/1/10 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by frocco View Post

The panasonic was returned because of rising blacks issue. Lg plasma had to much glare in my room. Samsung plasma had ghosting. Le810 has poor viewing angle and I get motion sickness on some shows. The panasonic was the best. Should of kept it.

Sorry about your problems, but other readers may learn a lesson.
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post #14 of 36
8/2/10 at 11:25am
I concur on the Panasonic plasma. IMHO, Panasonic has the best plasmas on the market today, whether it be 2D or 3D. You can get a 3D 50" Panny plasma for the price of that 46" LCD, and have a FAR superior picture.
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post #15 of 36
8/2/10 at 12:57pm
But is th 50" plasma a 1080p plasma or a 720p plasma as conmpared to the 1080 46" LCD?
If you have no interest it good PQ with 1080i TV progrmaws or with 1080p Br disks then a 720P plasma is probably OK at a longer viewing distance.
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post #16 of 36
8/2/10 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

But is th 50" plasma a 1080p plasma or a 720p plasma as conmpared to the 1080 46" LCD?
If you have no interest it good PQ with 1080i TV progrmaws or with 1080p Br disks then a 720P plasma is probably OK at a longer viewing distance.

LOL it all depends on viewing distance. Taken from THIS article:

"What the chart shows is that, for a 50-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p start to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 14.6 feet and become fully apparent at 9.8 feet. For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 9.8 feet and become full apparent at 6.5 feet. In my opinion, 6.5 feet is closer than most people will sit to their 50" plasma TV (even through the THX recommended viewing distance for a 50" screen is 5.6 ft). So, most consumers will not be able to see the full benefit of their 1080p TV."
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post #17 of 36
8/2/10 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by HiDefRev View Post

I concur on the Panasonic plasma. IMHO, Panasonic has the best plasmas on the market today, whether it be 2D or 3D. You can get a 3D 50" Panny plasma for the price of that 46" LCD, and have a FAR superior picture.

I guess if you don't mind a display that loses 2/3 of it's contrast ratio within a short period of time(along with a healthy scoop of IR to accompany this "feature." )

I get the "pleasure" of viewing a families member's Panasonic PDP ('09 S1) quite often - if panasonic makes the PDP available (I don't neccesssarily agree it does) it explains why the plasma market is as limited as it is.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt

http://img17.imageshack.us/i/img3334l.jpg/
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post #18 of 36
8/2/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by Canonazo View Post

I guess if you don't mind a display that loses 2/3 of it's contrast ratio within a short period of time(along with a healthy scoop of IR to accompany this "feature." )

I get the "pleasure" of viewing a families member's Panasonic PDP ('09 S1) quite often - if panasonic makes the PDP available (I don't neccesssarily agree it does) it explains why the plasma market is as limited as it is.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt

http://img17.imageshack.us/i/img3334l.jpg/

In case you havent noticed this is 2010 not 2009 and the new models have been out for quite sometime. The algorithm that was too aggressive in the 09 models has been scaled way back. Dont know why you would want to compare this years models with last years unless you just want to stir the pot and be a troll


EDIT: LCD fan boi I was correct troll
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post #19 of 36
8/2/10 at 2:54pm
The issue with viewing distance is not at what distance the viewer distane does the viewer no longer get any benefit from the higher rsolution. We have a 55" 1080p LCD and sit about 11' from and we can definitly see an increas in detail when watching 1080i resolution TV programs over 720p resolution TV programs.
It is also important to note that when 1080i or 1080p source content is downscaled to 720p that often the pixels that are eliminaated are significant in the detail the contain and by blending them with adjoining pixls when downscaling you the downscaled image look softer then a true 720P sourc would look on a 720p display.
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post #20 of 36
8/3/10 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by Im2sexy View Post

In case you havent noticed this is 2010 not 2009 and the new models have been out for quite sometime. The algorithm that was too aggressive in the 09 models has been scaled way back. Dont know why you would want to compare this years models with last years unless you just want to stir the pot and be a troll


EDIT: LCD fan boi I was correct troll

Did your feelings get hurt so you had to resort to name calling.

You might want to avoid science type forums (you know like AV SCIENCE) as someone may post actual data/facts that could upset your tender sensibilities.

'09 models are relevant because that is the first year the MLL issue was widely publicized. Also '09 models are still available for sale.

As for the '10 models and how long they've been out. The popular panasonic black level thread (9000+ posts that brought the issue to international attention) wasn't started until 7/31/09; many months after the '09 models were released.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1167339

Additionally official Panasonic statements leave no doubt that the black levels increases will still be a part of their design.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt

Panasonic's official statement:

"The newest Viera plasma HDTVs incorporate an improved automatic control which applies the voltage adjustments in smaller increments. This results in a more gradual change in the Black Level over time"
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post #21 of 36
8/3/10 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by Canonazo View Post

Did your feelings get hurt so you had to resort to name calling.

You might want to avoid science type forums (you know like AV SCIENCE) as someone may post actual data/facts that could upset your tender sensibilities.

'09 models are relevant because that is the first year the MLL issue was widely publicized. Also '09 models are still available for sale.

As for the '10 models and how long they've been out. The popular panasonic black level thread (9000+ posts that brought the issue to international attention) wasn't started until 7/31/09; many months after the '09 models were released.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1167339

Additionally official Panasonic statements leave no doubt that the black levels increases will still be a part of their design.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt

Panasonic's official statement:

"The newest Viera plasma HDTVs incorporate an improved automatic control which applies the voltage adjustments in smaller increments. This results in a more gradual change in the Black Level over time"

Nope feelings didnt get hurt in the least but I am guessing yours did? There has been not one report of rising blacks in the 2010 panels on here. And I am sure with the anal retentive people on AVS (you know the ones who watch a totaly black or white screen instead of, ya know, an actual TV program or movie) there would have been the self proclaimed "experts" starting a thread if their BL rose by .0001. Your the one who came into this thread spouting off about the 09 panels when I havent seen one mention of them. And you seriously are going to use the post count of that thread as proof? When I followed it there was 1 post out of 500 that had any actual useful info. Hell a few months back there had to be at least 10 pages of bickering against 1 poster who said he didnt see a problem with his the way he was watching it.
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post #22 of 36
8/4/10 at 5:34am
^ Give me a break, the guy (I'm2) is correct.

There are 10' units with hundreds and hundreds of hours on them with no reported rise.

This directly conflicts with the 09 models that saw considerable rise within (literally) weeks of purchase.

None of this is to say there won't be some level of rise at some point, but to maintain thus far that these 10' models are anything like the 09's in this regard is completely and utterly unfounded.

Stay away from 2011 Toyotas too cause their gas pedals stick.

James
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post #23 of 36
8/9/10 at 12:28pm
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well i returned it, and decided i wouldnt buy anything expensive this year, instead im waiting untill next year to buy (hopefully what it will be ) a kick ass tv.

meanwhile i got my money back and i bought the cheapest tv in store...

a 42 inch Insignia plasma for 425 lol... and honestly im loving it... wish i had done this from the start.

thanks everyone for your help, im taking into consideration buying a good plasma set next year, since im finding this cheap one so wonderful.
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post #24 of 36
8/9/10 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

But is th 50" plasma a 1080p plasma or a 720p plasma as conmpared to the 1080 46" LCD?
If you have no interest it good PQ with 1080i TV progrmaws or with 1080p Br disks then a 720P plasma is probably OK at a longer viewing distance.

The models mentioned were all 1080p. I am not aware of any 3d sets that are 720p.
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post #25 of 36
8/9/10 at 2:52pm
Neither am I, Nor did I beleive that 3D support was one of the OP's requirements.
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post #26 of 36
8/9/10 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by didiodl View Post

well i returned it, and decided i wouldnt buy anything expensive this year, instead im waiting untill next year to buy (hopefully what it will be ) a kick ass tv.

meanwhile i got my money back and i bought the cheapest tv in store...

a 42 inch Insignia plasma for 425 lol... and honestly im loving it... wish i had done this from the start.

thanks everyone for your help, im taking into consideration buying a good plasma set next year, since im finding this cheap one so wonderful.

The "cheapie" plasmas are actually quite good considering what they cost.
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post #27 of 36
8/13/10 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by didiodl View Post

well i returned it, and decided i wouldnt buy anything expensive this year, instead im waiting untill next year to buy (hopefully what it will be ) a kick ass tv.

meanwhile i got my money back and i bought the cheapest tv in store...

a 42 inch Insignia plasma for 425 lol... and honestly im loving it... wish i had done this from the start.

thanks everyone for your help, im taking into consideration buying a good plasma set next year, since im finding this cheap one so wonderful.

Great decision, especially since you overpaid $1000 for that 46" Samsung.
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post #28 of 36
8/15/10 at 3:51pm
What the heck is it with all these people coming across LCD's with flashlights and clouds? I've never seen a unit with those problems in person and almost everyone I know that has an HDTV has an LCD. These forums must have some very unlucky individuals to come across more than 1 or 2 units to be so afflicted at any given time.
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post #29 of 36
8/15/10 at 4:41pm
Hehehehe...I don't think they watch TV the way we do. I think they just turn on the TV and start looking for any kind of defect. They'll blacken the TV and turn off all the lights in the whole house and look for any speck of light in the screen. Then they'll select an unused input, turn the the screen as bright as it will go and feel proud that they find a small amount of discoloration. Then they worry and cry about the TV. Never mind that on regular programming the TV is performing just fine...that is not allowed! Some people just love to feel miserable all the time... (: (:

I paid big money for this POS, how come it"s NOT perfect (:
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post #30 of 36
8/19/10 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

Hehehehe...I don't think they watch TV the way we do. I think they just turn on the TV and start looking for any kind of defect. They'll blacken the TV and turn off all the lights in the whole house and look for any speck of light in the screen. Then they'll select an unused input, turn the the screen as bright as it will go and feel proud that they find a small amount of discoloration. Then they worry and cry about the TV. Never mind that on regular programming the TV is performing just fine...that is not allowed! Some people just love to feel miserable all the time... (: (:

I paid big money for this POS, how come it"s NOT perfect (:




yeah you are definetly right, i dont use tv the way you do, i play darker games, and id like to use it as a monitor for a couple of things that having beams of light and discoloration isnt allowed since i edit digital images. Im sorry if you feel like im crying when i ask the comunity if its normal, and ask what should i do. But i guess we are not all the same, and we want different things, and we all have different thresholds, uneven image on a $2.3k tv just doesnt sit right with me.
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