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post #61 of 3635
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Actually we already do know what the capabilities are of the Boxee Software, as the beta has been available now for months. All you have to do is download it to a PC or Mac and test it out.

From this you can get an idea of what the platform will offer.

Now, as to the question of 'how well will the boxee box hardware perform' I think we have to wait and see, but I think that the statement that every other box will be ahead of it is overly harsh.

The Tegra 2 platform is very robust and should be fast enough to handle HD content. There are of course all of the typical bugaboos that could pop up such as infant chipset drivers, bad NIC implementation, etc, but it's worth noting that the Boxee folks seem to be taking it pretty seriously that this thing needs to be quite solid at release.

They are also, from their videos and googling the names of their project members, Uber Nerds, which means that in all likelihood they will be making an effort to satisfy other geeks who have their own local media collections.

Obviously, at the end of the day time will tell, but I would say that if the Popbox software had been ported to PC and available to test with prior to the release of the Popbox itself, we might not have had the shock we did about how bad it really was.

Yes, when I talk about a media player I am talking about can it handle high bitrate content, can it handle hd audio (bitstream and downmix), can it handle disc structures (BluRay and DVD). These are BOTH hardware and software related (i.e. the hardware has to support and then through the sdk the features have to be unlocked). Since there are no Tegra II players out there right now, the approach you have to take is, prove it to me Boxee that you can do all these things. The Boxee folks can talk the talk all they want (would you expect anything less) but until this box is in the hands of reviewers/consumers I would take everything with a grain of salt
post #62 of 3635
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

What is your source for that? I've investigated this thoroughly and the only source of this rumor comes from them showing the device off at CES playing back a 10 mbps stream and saying it was '1080p HD'.

I can find not a single quote from them or anyone else to indicate that they have said there will be a performance cap that will prevent playback of BD rips although it is highly unlikely that it will do BD ISO.

As I point out in the 1st post, the Tegra 2 chipset being used in the Boxee Box is a dual core 1ghz cpu. This is more powerful than the cpu in the Tivo Premier, Dune Prime 3.0, A200, C200 or any other mass production set top boxes.

So, my belief is that the hardware should be more than capable, as long as they are able to get the firmware up to snuff.

That's the same rumor I heard. I sure hope you're right about playing back blu-ray rips because I absolutely love the Boxee frontend.
post #63 of 3635
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Originally Posted by ToddUGA View Post

A Boxee Box with the ability to stream blu-ray rips and lossless audio would be an instant buy from me. Unfortunately, word is the hardware isn't capable.

I would be very surprised if lossless audio is supported. NVidia only just added support for lossless audio with their 460GPU. Tegra II has been out for a bit already and my guess bitstreaming HD Audio is not part of it. Of course I wouldn't mind being wrong on this one.
post #64 of 3635
Dual core 1Ghz to 1.5Ghz processors will be out in cellphones later this year. But that won't necessarily mean they can handle BD ISOs. We will find out soon enough with the Boxee. They certainly have put their time to good use tweaking the software and if the hardware works well, they will have hit a home run with alot of people.
post #65 of 3635
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yes, when I talk about a media player I am talking about can it handle high bitrate content, can it handle hd audio (bitstream and downmix), can it handle disc structures (BluRay and DVD). These are BOTH hardware and software related (i.e. the hardware has to support and then through the sdk the features have to be unlocked). Since there are no Tegra II players out there right now, the approach you have to take is, prove it to me Boxee that you can do all these things. The Boxee folks can talk the talk all they want (would you expect anything less) but until this box is in the hands of reviewers/consumers I would take everything with a grain of salt

We can be almost certain that it will not do DTS-MA pass through, although core DTS extraction is almost a certainty.

If the hardware supports it, then I would expect pass through of Dolby True as this is already working in the XBMC base loads they forked from.

It will support DVD ISO (unless they intentionally break it) but it will not support BD ISO unless they are able to put something together in the next couple of months, from scratch.

There are two ways of looking at this, from the Boxee perspective;

1. They want to make everyone happy, so they will work their asses off to put all of these more esoteric features in (BD ISO support, lossless audio, etc) to appeal to the uber geek crowd... (and there was much rejoicing).

2. They will want to make this as solid of an offering at launch as possible and are trying to appeal to a broader audience (college kids and tech savvy adults) who will primarily want something similar to a Roku, that will let them watch Youtube, Netflix, Boxee, on their big screen. For these folks it is hard to say how big of a deal breaker some of these missing features will be.

One thing I know for sure is that the subset group of video geeks who want (insist!) on ISO and lossless support is a tiny fraction of the people that would be in the market for a device like this. Western Digital is selling a crap load of players when it has a stinky GUI, can barely play high bitrate content over SMB, etc, because it has netflix and does DVD ISO... which at the end of the day is enough for 'most people'.

I hope we are pleasantly surprised and Boxee delivers us an incredible product that does everything that everyone wants. Of course even if that happens people will complain about the form factor, the color of the box, lack of onboard IR, etc.

You can't please everyone.
post #66 of 3635
I am really intrigued by the interactive features/online services etc... but don't know if it is really worth an extra $100 or so over a WD Live when all I really had in mind was playing high def mkv movies off a portable hard drive.. I will have to wait and see on an official price from online retailers and then make my decision.. but I do love the design and how the logo lights up green hehe.
post #67 of 3635
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We don't know what the retail price will be, although a couple of sources have hinted at $179 which means it would probably be available on sale for less, like $149.
post #68 of 3635
Around $149 would make more sense given other players in the same category have a similar price point.
post #69 of 3635
if it hasn't been posted yet-

http://www.hometheater.co.il/p1.arti...t-social-media

First Review
post #70 of 3635
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During tests, we were able to see content up to 70Mbps stream properly and get decoded without stuttering or stalling.

Great to hear. We just need to know if it will play Blu Ray structures and will it bitstream HD audio
post #71 of 3635
Right, but this is already better than what we were expecting (a 10Mbps ceiling). I was going to order an Acer AspireRevo R3610 for my family room, but I'll hold off. If it's possible to run Hulu off the Boxee box's browser, that would be great.
post #72 of 3635
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Right, but this is already better than we were expecting.

Way better than expected!!!! One of the pictures shows the 90 Mbps clip from nmtfiles.info being played back without stutter. Can't wait to see how this is being powered!!!

(Can't restrain the multiple 'exclamation marks', sorry!!!)
post #73 of 3635
This Fall to Winter is shaping up to be an exciting time for media streamers w/the new Dunes, more HD audio support, web content, and prices due to competition.
post #74 of 3635
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

This Fall to Winter is shaping up to be an exciting time for media streamers w/the new Dunes, more HD audio support, web content, and prices due to competition.

Yeah, really the HD Audio is my only open point. If this cannot bitstream HD Audio then at best it becomes a secondary player in a room in my house. If it can bitstream HD Audio then it becomes a serious contender in my house.
post #75 of 3635
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I'm glad to be vindicated on my prediction that the hardware would be more than capable of going far above the 10mbps ceiling.

The point about HD audio and BD ISO are certainly valid though. It still looks damn cool... if cheap enough I would not mind getting one as a secondary player on my main TV and maybe good enough for bedrooms and the like.

Also, consider this. The first look interface of the Boxee looks far better than Popbox, and Boxee is still in beta for another 90 days before it is released. Plenty of time to polish it even further, add support for more video formats and the like.
post #76 of 3635
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

yeah, really the hd audio is my only open point. If this cannot bitstream hd audio then at best it becomes a secondary player in a room in my house. If it can bitstream hd audio then it becomes a serious contender in my house.

+1
post #77 of 3635
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I'm glad to be vindicated on my prediction that the hardware would be more than capable of going far above the 10mbps ceiling.

The point about HD audio and BD ISO are certainly valid though. It still looks damn cool... if cheap enough I would not mind getting one as a secondary player on my main TV and maybe good enough for bedrooms and the like.

Also, consider this. The first look interface of the Boxee looks far better than Popbox, and Boxee is still in beta for another 90 days before it is released. Plenty of time to polish it even further, add support for more video formats and the like.

Haha, didn't realize you were hanging by a thread about whether the Boxee could play high bitrate content

Right now in my house I have two rooms that require HD Audio (my bedroom and my family room). So if the Boxee Box cannot bitstream then it will not see the light of day in there (I am trying to minimize the amount of boxes, and in all honesty I don't care much for online content). However, I am in charge of setting family members up with their media setup, and since they cannot take advantage of HD Audio this is where the Boxee Box could make a big splash.
post #78 of 3635
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

This Fall to Winter is shaping up to be an exciting time for media streamers w/the new Dunes, more HD audio support, web content, and prices due to competition.

I agree with the new players coming out and the existiing ones struggling to provide updates that will keep them alive. The new netgear player Neo TV 550 thread says for $150 it does it all, bd iso menus and hd audio! I will be waiting to see IF THEY CAN DELIVER.
post #79 of 3635
The Remote is RF, correct? Does anyone know yet if some sort of IR adapter will be available. Not being able to use my harmony remote to control would be a big negative
post #80 of 3635
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Originally Posted by swak View Post

I agree with the new players coming out and the existiing ones struggling to provide updates that will keep them alive. The new netgear player Neo TV 550 thread says for $150 it does it all, bd iso menus and hd audio! I will be waiting to see IF THEY CAN DELIVER.

For $150, if that works, that would be an amazing box. To have full BD menus at only $150.

Edit: I see the $150 is in pounds. So that would be over $230 in US currency. That would make more sense for a box with Full Bd menus.
post #81 of 3635
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

The Remote is RF, correct? Does anyone know yet if some sort of IR adapter will be available. Not being able to use my harmony remote to control would be a big negative

The included remote is RF. The article mentions support for USB IR dongles.
post #82 of 3635
I'm more excited about getting my hands on one and getting XBMC installed. I think that XBMC is much nicer looking once properly set up.
post #83 of 3635
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Originally Posted by drunkmunk View Post

I'm more excited about getting my hands on one and getting XBMC installed. I think that XBMC is much nicer looking once properly set up.

I rather doubt this will be possible at least initially.
post #84 of 3635
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I rather doubt this will be possible at least initially.

Yeah, why would anyone think they can install XBMC on the Boxee Box, has it been hinted that it can be done

Also, I was messing around with Boxee on my HTPC, and from a software standpoint this is definitely what the media players should be striving for when it comes to a UI. I think one question will be how the UI performs on the Boxee Box. On my PC it works well, but obviously how software performs on a PC and how it performs on a much less powered media player can be two different things. As we get closer to the Boxee Box launch I will revisit the software and try to document some additional stuff (such as how local metadata/art should be named, etc...). For example I noticed that my X-Men tv shows are getting picked up as Mr. Bean. Another issue I have come across is that not all my media gets scanned in. I have about 400 movies but only 250 are showing, and about half of my tv shows are showing. I have had this problem in the past and doing a scan refresh doesn't fix the issue. Here is the writeup I had done on Boxee when it was first released to beta, not much has changed siince:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...ew-boxee-beta/
post #85 of 3635
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I had some movies not picked up either, they get put into an 'unidentified' section. When you go into that section you can then rename them, search and get them properly identified.
post #86 of 3635
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I had some movies not picked up either, they get put into an 'unidentified' section. When you go into that section you can then rename them, search and get them properly identified.

Where is the unidentified section?

All the more reason to figure out the metadata/art convention now so we can avoid having t o do this manually. It is actually odd that they don't get identified properly since XBMC had no problem identifiying
post #87 of 3635
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Where is the unidentified section?

All the more reason to figure out the metadata/art convention now so we can avoid having t o do this manually. It is actually odd that they don't get identified properly since XBMC had no problem identifiying

Go into the main Boxee menu and then go Files->Unresolved Videos. Your stuff that scanned but was unidentified should show up in there.

I don't believe that Boxee is currently using local .nfo files or artwork. This is obviously a major loss and I hope that they realize this and get support added by the time it is released.

However, it's worth noting that even in Beta form, Boxee blows the Popbox and other similar products out of the water from a UI/integration standpoint.

I see two classes of device emerging over the next year. Devices like Boxee, AppleTV and Google that have limited home media capabilities and lack HD audio playback. These will become the mainstream devices and people who want to watch their own content will conform more or less to those limitations (ripping without lossless audio, not using BD ISO format, etc).

The 2nd category of device will be for the hard core HT enthusiast and will be completely dominated by HDI Dune player and the likes. Perhaps another year after that we will see these device capabilities merge into a single STB that gives us everything we crave.
post #88 of 3635
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Go into the main Boxee menu and then go Files->Unresolved Videos. Your stuff that scanned but was unidentified should show up in there.

I don't believe that Boxee is currently using local .nfo files or artwork. This is obviously a major loss and I hope that they realize this and get support added by the time it is released.

However, it's worth noting that even in Beta form, Boxee blows the Popbox and other similar products out of the water from a UI/integration standpoint.

I see two classes of device emerging over the next year. Devices like Boxee, AppleTV and Google that have limited home media capabilities and lack HD audio playback. These will become the mainstream devices and people who want to watch their own content will conform more or less to those limitations (ripping without lossless audio, not using BD ISO format, etc).

The 2nd category of device will be for the hard core HT enthusiast and will be completely dominated by HDI Dune player and the likes. Perhaps another year after that we will see these device capabilities merge into a single STB that gives us everything we crave.

Actually found unresolved yet none of my videos show there even though I am missing a bunch

I think Boxee does use local, or at least I have seen some metadata scraping specifically refer to Boxee. I will have to do some more digging.

Regarding the 2 categories, I agree. HOWEVER there has to be a company in the 2nd category that is smart enough to realize the golden ticket they are sitting on if they can get the benefits of the 1st category into their 2nd category product. I guess this is what Syabas was trying to accomplish with the Popbox, and who knows, they may be the first to truly bridge the gap over time. Unfortunately Syabas has shown a real lack of understanding of what a 1st category product really means...
post #89 of 3635
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You probably need to do a rescan of the media. All of my unidentified videos showed up in 'unresolved'. Then you just select the item, click the little button that says 'identify video' type the name in and select from the list. It works wonderfully.

I wouldn't even put Popbox in the same category as Boxee or any other real media player that is actually trying to bridge the gap. Popbox is simply a joke and clearly demonstrates Syabas vulnerability. They are looking more like a company that did well with release of original PCH and have since been making one mis-step after another.

Look at how boxee runs in demo videos or on your own machine, how it can easily identify missing video, plays flash, brings in netflix, etc, all painlessly and this is with the beta from six months ago. The release software should be substantially better, and I think, better enough that some users will seriously reconsider that they 'must' have BD ISO and lossless audio to be happy.
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