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post #121 of 678
On my Cox cable HDTV tuner digital STB Jay Leno is availabe on both Channel 4 in 480i SD and on Channel 704 in 1080i HD.
When Native Mode is selected the STB will do no upscaling and you only want to use Native Mode for 3D content since it can not be upscaled.
post #122 of 678
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Originally Posted by White_Worm View Post

In that case, Seanbenn, the X102's might not be the right choice. They will only work with DLP tvs, so if your next TV isn't DLP, they won't work at all.

There will be universal glasses coming in the future, however, and the technology will improve and the price will come down. Unfortunately, theres really no "future-proofing" when it comes to 3D glasses at the moment.

My TV has the Emitter plug in the back so I was going to buy a set of shutter glasses. Like Mitsubishi's or Panasonic glasses.
post #123 of 678
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Originally Posted by Seanbenn View Post

My TV has the Emitter plug in the back so I was going to buy a set of shutter glasses. Like Mitsubishi's or Panasonic glasses.

I know, I have the same TV as you. The problem is getting the emitter. Its a little more difficult to get an emitter separate. I bought the 3DC-1000 kit because it comes with everything you need except the Gefen.
post #124 of 678
I hate to post without any good info, but for now, it's still a no go for me with D*. I keep trying, and will probably not stop trying for quite some time. Especially since there should be some college football coming up. So that gives us a month to figure this out. Lets hope for much sooner.

I understand trying to reprogram the gefen with the suggested procedure, It's just weird that it has worked with the current programming, and continues to work with some of the recordings without flaw. The exception being that I have to manually switch the 3D mode on those recordings because they show up in a side by side image until I change the setting. When the channels were working, it was all automatic.

I do get a fuzzy screen during what I figure to be the "handshake" as soon as I tune to a 3D channel, and I suspect this is the moment where it is deciding. On my ps3, during this moment, the screen goes through many different green and fuzzy changes until it begins to work.

While it is working on the ps3, If I change the name to PC, the screen goes off and on quickly as if resetting. the name TV does the same, but none of the others seem to affect anything.

I know this is a long post, so I'll stop here. I'm just trying to "think out loud" so to speak and hopefully give the right person some useful info to get this problem solved.
post #125 of 678
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Originally Posted by jfwil View Post

But it cant do True HD audio through optical.

Yup no true Dolby Digital HD sound with out HDMI.
post #126 of 678
Thread Starter 
I'm still here just no new news. However, I did start a poll at DBStalk.com related to our problems with DirecTv. Here is the link:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.ph...=1#post2549721
post #127 of 678
Ok, here we go again. I have the 3d channels working again. But still no solid reason for it.

I connected straight through the gefen to tv without the 3da-1.
then straight through the 3da-1 to tv without the gefen.

I turned all the resolutions off and on just to reset things with both setups

i did a menu reset with both of these setups, although I'm not sure if it made any difference.

When I connected without the gefen, the D* receiver menu wouldn't allow for 1080p, its grayed out.

The channel was tuned to n3D.

after the reset with just the 3da-1 (I reset just to see if the 1080p option was still gray, it was), I disconnected the hdmi out from the 3da-1 and connected the gefen to the 3da-1.

This is when I could hear the audio from the 3d channel via my optical cable through my stereo and the 3D mode light turned on automatically. I knew it was working at this point.

Then I connected the tv back into the gefen's hdmi out. 3D video works fine and the audio is also playing via hdmi through the tv speakers.

But I'm sure as soon as I turn it off, I won't be able to replicate this. At least the part where the gefen hdmi out being disconnected is the same as the last time it worked.

Also, I have the HDMI3 input called satelliteSTB. I'm thinking that it doesn't matter which one I set it to. It does shut the screen off and back on when I scroll to PC or TV, the rest do nothing.
post #128 of 678
Kevin,
Great. For clarification, all resolutions are checked on. Are you in Native?
Do you just leave the tv on during the connections or turning it on and off?
The menu reset you do acts like a red button reset?
And the big question, is it still working?
JIM
post #129 of 678
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Originally Posted by jwitt View Post

Kevin,
Great. For clarification, all resolutions are checked on. Are you in Native?
Do you just leave the tv on during the connections or turning it on and off?
The menu reset you do acts like a red button reset?
And the big question, is it still working?
JIM

All resolutions are on. The grayed out 1080p became white and checked automatically.

Native is off and Screen Format is Pillar Box. (I didn't set this, it must be default from the reset)

My ethernet cable was unplugged.

The TV was on throughout all my testing.

The menu reset appears to be the same as the red button reset, but I don't know for sure.

It's still working. I can change channels back and forth without any issues (The 3D mode adjusts automatically). I have turned off the D* receiver and then turned back on, still works. As long as I don't turn off the mits adapter, I believe it will continue to work. I think I will just leave it this way for a while.
post #130 of 678
From the information on page 39 the D* STB users manua(see linnk below)l it appears to me that Native shoud be off and 1080i and 720p should be set to full.

http://www.directv.com/learn/pdf/Sys...IRECTV_H10.pdf
post #131 of 678
Kevin,
I tried your method last night, except doing only one reset.
Got the sound via digital to AVR when I plugged in the Gefen to the 3da-1. Connected the Gefen to HDMI 3(Satellite/STB) and Glorious 3d !!!
Channels were lit. However, wrong mode and the mode on the 3da-1 would not change. Only got full side by side. Turned the 3da-1 off and lost all 3d.
I checked D* setting and found that the resolutions were off except 1080p, so I checked all resolutions and confirmed "Native" was still on.
I then just did the last two steps with no resets and the channels lit up, and I was watching checkerboard 3d!!!!
Didn't want to try changing channels out of 3d, but I turned the system off and on via Harmony remote and the 3d continued to work.
This morning, turned it on and it was still working, changed channels several times to different resolution channels and back to 3d. It still worked and the channels changed pretty quick and with out the display acting strange trying to sync. I am relative sure that if I shut off the 3da-1, I will have to do the last two steps to get it back.
What is strange, is that during my several hours of trying to get it to work, I used the same technique a few times and only got it to work one time.
I wonder if D* programmers came back to work from the weekend and made the guide a bit less restrictive.
Anyway, I am recording just about everything available on VOD. I wish that the IMAX programming wasn't 24 hour ticket.
I am still going to reclone the Gefen, naming the connection "Satellite/STB" before the clone.
Great job!
JIM
post #132 of 678
jwitt, this is great news. Sounds like it's just a simple trick after all. I haven't turned my 3da-1 off yet, but I am going to have to sooner or later.

Can you clarify what you mean by the last two steps?

Is it straight through the 3da-1 with no gefen and then switching the cables around?

Or is it, gefen only, then 3da-1 only, then change the connections?

Once we know for sure that this works every time, we might be able to post a guide at the top of this thread. Or just start a new one.
post #133 of 678
I believe it was just, TV off,on, plug in 3da-1 direct, then disconnect 3da and attach Gefen to 3da (get sound), then gefen to HDMI-3 (named satelliteSTB). Pretty sure that was it.
When I change channels from 3d to regular HD and SD and back to 3d, its pretty quick and they are at the correct resolution. I do have Native on. How is your channel changing working with Native off? Yesterday, I had problems getting the regular channels to come on at the correct res.
I really think that DTV has lessened the EDID restrictions and hope it stays that way.
Have you checked out Geaux's vote thread on DBStalk..6 pages already. I linked your success, and mine following your directions.
I hope someone with a new type AVR will try again to see if it may work now.
I am recording everthing available on VOD now, except soccer. It would take too long, due to the length of the games.
Just to confirm, the IMAX 3d VOD shows the 24hr ticket emblem. Have you recorded IMAX and does it go away in 24 hrs. ?
Thanks again, JIM
post #134 of 678
Kevin,
If you have to reset due to turning off the 3d-a, maybe try a shortcut...(Have DTV on 3d channel).. Just unplug Gefen (still connected) to 3da-1 and replug into tv..
If that works, it would seem DTV has made a change.
Second try could be start with plugging 3da-1 into disconnected Gefen, hope for sound then connect gefen to TV.
I'm going to try it now.
JIM
post #135 of 678
My channels seem to change without any problem with native off, seems just as quick as before. Sounds like I can change it from Pillar box unless that might be the reason for your resolution troubles, I tend to go with original format usually.

I didn't think to check the sammy's screen format so I'm not sure what it's at currently, what is your's set to? I usually have mine set to Just Scan. Probably has no effect either way.

I have not recorded any cinema content yet so I'm not sure, but the world cup games I recorded have expiration dates and some have expired and are gone from my list. I have set the next one due to expire as "keep" just as a test.
post #136 of 678
Kevin,
1.Turned the 3da-1 off and back on.. Lost 3d and digital sound from AVR.
2.Diconnected Gefen from TV. Turned TV off then on and just plugged Gefen back in still connected to 3da-1... No sound, had the error message, didn't work.
3.Disconnecte both ends of Gefen, plugged 3da-1 into Geffen, SOUND. Plugged Gefen into TV, 3D BACK !!
Now it seems that only step 3 is necessary.
I tried these steps at least a dozen times before last evening with out any luck. Did you say you had this working equally well with HDMI 3 named PC?
The problem with regular channels displaying at the wrong resolution went away. Maybe the HVR reset took care of that. With Native on, I don't have to change anything. Usually, Native does take another moment during channel changes with different resolutions. I think I will leave it on for now as the channels are changing quickly.
Screen is set at 16:9 in TV menu.
Jim
post #137 of 678
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Originally Posted by jwitt View Post

Kevin,

3.Disconnecte both ends of Gefen, plugged 3da-1 into Geffen, SOUND. Plugged Gefen into TV, 3D BACK !!
Now it seems that only step 3 is necessary.
I tried these steps at least a dozen times before last evening with out any luck. Did you say you had this working equally well with HDMI 3 named PC?
Jim

Very cool, sounds like it's a very simple setup now. I'm not at home or I would be testing these things with my setup right now. If it is D* tv making changes, I hope they aren't temporary. And I think they deserve a thank you. Otherwise, we've been fortunate and our persistance has paid off. Either way, good for us.

I too have tried number 3 many times in different combo's preceded by different combo's. Many of those I was able to get sound via hdmi yesterday, but no video. Until it finally worked of course, which I noted to be about 7:30 pm Pacific time, in case that info might prove useful later.

Yes, naming it PC still works except I remember there being a lot more junk on the screen during the change from 2d to 3d, haven't tried it since it started working last night though. I noticed the colors and brightness change slightly, while connected to a 3D source, when you scroll to PC and then also when you scroll to TV. The rest don't have any observable change.
post #138 of 678
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Originally Posted by jwitt View Post

Have you checked out Geaux's vote thread on DBStalk..6 pages already. I linked your success, and mine following your directions.

Cool, I hope we can help people out. And I hope D* feels the same way.
post #139 of 678
Last night my d link glasses worked but would flicker once occasionally and sometimes lose 3d for a moment. After awhile, they started working fine. I wonder if there is a short learning time for them to get used to the dlp signal...
Today, I set the TV picture from normal to dynamic which brightened up the 3d. I like normal for other than 3d programs.
I have tested the new type 3d lcd type sets at stores and was impressed. But my 72" DLP is much better. Items come out right at you and float in the air, which seemed to be missing on the current lcd types in the stores.
JIM
post #140 of 678
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Originally Posted by jwitt View Post

Last night my d link glasses worked but would flicker once occasionally and sometimes lose 3d for a moment. After awhile, they started working fine. I wonder if there is a short learning time for them to get used to the dlp signal...
Today, I set the TV picture from normal to dynamic which brightened up the 3d. I like normal for other than 3d programs.
I have tested the new type 3d lcd type sets at stores and was impressed. But my 72" DLP is much better. Items come out right at you and float in the air, which seemed to be missing on the current lcd types in the stores.
JIM

I've been following this thread for a bit now. So to program the hdmi detective is there any mits tv recommended.
post #141 of 678
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Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post

HD 3D Guru mentioned that a device specifically made for the Samsung DLPs may soon be available, if this happens you could eliminate the need to purchase the Gefen device.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...0&postcount=83


That kit comes with a gefen device. They just don't call it by name. They refer to it as a "edid spoofer" instead. Same thing. See below.

We spoke with CTO of Tru3D, Tony Welch. His company's kit consists of the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 and a box preloaded with a Mitsubishi 3D TV EDID code that spoofs the converter into passing a HD 3D signal player to a legacy Samsung 1080p DLP HDTV from either a cable box, a DirecTV box or a Blu-ray player.




The Tru3D adapter kit costs $289.99 plus shipping. It includes the ($100 retail) Mitsubishi 3DC-1000, an EDID spoofer with preloaded code and all necessary cables. Compatible glasses (such as XpanD 102) required for viewing 3D are not included.
post #142 of 678
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Originally Posted by jfwil View Post

That kit comes with a gefen device. They just don't call it by name. They refer to it as a "edid spoofer" instead. Same thing. See below.

We spoke with CTO of Tru3D, Tony Welch. His company's kit consists of the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 and a box preloaded with a Mitsubishi 3D TV EDID code that spoofs the converter into passing a HD 3D signal player to a legacy Samsung 1080p DLP HDTV from either a cable box, a DirecTV box or a Blu-ray player.




The Tru3D adapter kit costs $289.99 plus shipping. It includes the ($100 retail) Mitsubishi 3DC-1000, an EDID spoofer with preloaded code and all necessary cables. Compatible glasses (such as XpanD 102) required for viewing 3D are not included.

It sounded from the posting that HDGURU was referring to another solution down the road. I am curious, is Tru3D just rebranding the Gefen device or are they actually manufacturing their own? If it is a newly manufactured adapter, hopefully it works with fewer headaches that some of the posters on this forum have experienced.
post #143 of 678
Its the Gefen device that they are adding the Mits EDID information. So what you are paying the premium for is the two minutes worth of programming plus in addition they charge $25 for postage and packing. As mentioned HD3DGuru is hinting at a device specifically compatible with the Samsung 3D DLP which will probably be available soon at a lower price (hopefully close to the cost of the $100 Mits adapter).
post #144 of 678
Thread Starter 
Kevin and Jwitt,

Thank you for your hard work and dedication to this project. I was getting too frustrated at trying to get 3D back so I had taken a recess from the project for the last few days. Additionally, I had to get our A/C fixed and the temperature has been over 100 F each today where I live which was a priority. Luckily, I was only without A/C for one day.

I unplugged the 3DA-1 and disconnected the Gefen. I then replugged the 3DA-1 and the Gefen and did a red button reset on my DirecTv HR24-500 with only the Gefen and the 3DA-1 connected. The HR24-500 was not on a 3D channel. After the HR24-500 rebooted I connected my Onkyo A/V Receiver and I was getting 2.0 sound over my speakers. I then tuned to 103 and the picture was in 3D and the 3D light automatically turned on the Gefen. I then set the audio on my Onkyo to come in over toslink which gave me 5.1 surround sound.

I wonder if DirecTv changed the way it is encoding their 3D channels as I could of sworn that I did all of these things before but it didn't work. Hopefully, the thread concerning this at DBStalk.com is shining a light on this problem. It's not just a problem for Samsung 3D ready DLP owners but is a potential problem for anyone watching 3D on DirecTv.

I do not plan on changing anything again. If DirecTv does a software download that will cause our system to reboot but hopefully we can restore everything again.
post #145 of 678
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Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post

Its the Gefen device that they are adding the Mits EDID information. So what you are paying the premium for is the two minutes worth of programming plus in addition they charge $25 for postage and packing. As mentioned HD3DGuru is hinting at a device specifically compatible with the Samsung 3D DLP which will probably be available soon at a lower price (hopefully close to the cost of the $100 Mits adapter).

hope you are correct because all this waiting for a device that will work correctly with our samsung dlp sets seems to be taking a long time.i don't understand why mits doesn't sell their dlp sets in canada.i still prefer dlp over others.
post #146 of 678
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Originally Posted by jwitt View Post

Today, I set the TV picture from normal to dynamic which brightened up the 3d. I like normal for other than 3d programs.
JIM

Dynamic is the store demo mode often referred to as "Torch" mode and when used will shorten the life of TV's bulb. It may be beter to increase the bightness of normal mode( or anothr mod) to compensate for light loss with the glases
post #147 of 678
Sounds like theres some good news in this thread! Could we start to try writing a guide with precise steps to getting D* working with the 3da-1? I'll try it tonight or tomorrow and see if I can get my D* working, then see if I can make it work with my 1.4 receiver.
post #148 of 678
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Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers View Post

Kevin and Jwitt,

Thank you for your hard work and dedication to this project.


Not a problem, I think we are all just glad that it actually works. We may have spent a lot of time wasting time as it's starting to sound like D* has had more to do with it than our troubleshooting.
post #149 of 678
Thanks Geaux,
Good idea about the guide White worm.
My system is still stable and working great. I have only tried it with the digital sound going from the DTV receiver to my older Onkyo. At the step where I plug the 3da-1 into the Gefen (which is disconnected from the TV at that moment), I get 5.1 sound to the speakers (DVR on 3d channel). Then I plug in the Gefen to the TV and get 3d video.
Before any of this , I hook up the 3dA-1 pretty much as in the instructions , including the IR emitter interface cable from the tv to the 3DA-1, even though I am using D-Link glasses. I don't know if the TV to Gefen emitter link is required, but it may be.
When we were having problems last week, if the sound was fed all the way via the HDMI to the TV without any AVR connection, sometimes the sound would go away and be very difficult to recover. I am going to test now with no AVR in the mix to make sure that will work for those that don't want to run the digital audio through an AVR.
Back in a few minutes..
JIM
post #150 of 678
Congrats guys! Seems through a great team effort you have reached your goal. Now to prove you are REAL team players, one of you needs to send me your equipment so I can try it with comcast. ...lol
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