Mitsubishi 3D Checkerboard Converter + Gefen HDMI Detective = 3D on Samsung HL61A750 - Page 14

Yep Mr. Rawls, it looks good.
My TV is down until tomorrow night, anyone else want to roll the dice with a 5.1 audio .bin? So... you feel Lucky, Well, do Ya ??
JIM

I'm hoping that we can save our current gefen clones to replace the new one if it doesn't work. I have found a family member with a dvi output on their computer, so I should be able to try this out. What should we guess? About 90% sure it will work?

I understand how to capture the EDID from the Gefen. How do you write the EDID from the emailed .bin into the Gefen? How do you save that file to your Gefen?

Very cool. Thats a couple steps down. Lets hope that a few subtle changes in the EDID info will solve all our problems.

All I have is a desktop with a single DVI out for the monitor.
I also, don't understand the method to download, as I would lose the monitor if I plugged the DVI into the Gefen. I need a new computer anyway, with an additional HDMI out. But still, I am unsure as how the .bin gets back to the Gefen via the spare HDMI port.
I am awaiting a call back from Gefen. I also called Extron tech. They have a similar product to the Detective. It is DVI only but works with adapters to HDMI. I was surprised to learn from them that once adapted to HDMI, it passes and clones audio using unused pins of the DVI. Update, it is not HDCP compliant, so not a good option.
Extron's product clones like the Detective, but does not accept a .bin file by the end user. They can program it at the factory with a custom file that is supplied to them. It is not sold through normal retail venues.
Extron is also supposed to call back today and advise if their EDID Manager can write the .bin back to the Gefen.
If we learn how to write to the Gefen, I would recommend saving the original clone as a .bin first, of course.
If we figure this out, (Hope I need a new computer.) I am going to do the following steps:
1. Save my current clone from the Gefen.
2. Disconnect HDMI out of 3da-1 and save the EDID to read and compare later, primarily
audio info.
3. Write the new .bin to the Gefen, reconnect and watch a couple minutes of 3d.
4. Grab the EDID info from the source side of the 3da-1 with everything connected and
compare to step 2.

Several pages back, EDID info from the 3da-1 was posted and it was only showing 2.0 audio to the source. It was unclear to me if the 3da-1 was passing the 2.0 audio from the TV or if the EDID of the 3da-1 was fixed at 2.0. Seems like it would make a difference with those trying to get an AVR to work.
I'll get back as soon as I get a phone call back from tech support.
JIM

Yeah, the audio portion of the EDID info for the 3DA-1 is puzzling. I also wonder if it's fixed or changes based on what's plugged in. If it's fixed, then people who have a 838 series Mits would only receive 2.0 channels to their 5.1 speaker equipped TVs. Seems like a problem. If it is fixed, then you could always get an additional Gefen, and clone a HDMI 1.4 receiver, and have that between the source and the 3DA-1 +Gefen, followed by your receiver (assuming you haven't been able to get your receiver to pass the raw 3D signal).

BTW, Sony announced 3D BD update for PS3 has been moved back to October.

My TV with new Light Engine is up again.
Regarding replacing the Light Engine. Ridiculously simple. Remove bulb cover, remove panel surrounding it. Remove two screws on the lower edge of light engine facing you. Unplug 3 or 4 wire/flat cable plugs as you slide out the Light Engine assembly. Slide new Light Engine in, reversing above. Three minutes, max. There is an obvious white plastic protective cover over the lens to remove before sliding the unit in. No set up or alignment. All settings remained in memory. Mine came with new bulb already in assembly. Tech said about $400.00 for rebuilt (need to send in core). About $900.00 new.
Makes it a lot better than trashing one of these units if your on a budget.
JIM

My TV with new Light Engine is down again. Lasted at least 20 hrs.
Lesson learned: Don't buy or allow replacement with Light Engine rebuilt by Samsung !!!
JIM

Ouch, that sucks. Sorry to hear that Jim. I hope you get your TV up and running again.

What model and model number is your tv?

Samsung HL72a650
Probably be down another 10+ days waiting for a new DMD light engine, due to the holiday weekend.
JIM

I tried the tru3d adapter and geffen detective last night with no luck.

Seems its not compatible with my orig 60 gig PS3 and I will return it.

I have the samsung 67" A750 DLP

It should be compatible. I'm using the exact same setup that you got from tru3D, the mits 3-DA1 adapter and Gefen HDMI detective, with my 60gb PS3 and it's working just fine except for having to disconnect and reconnect the HDMI cable between the my 61" A750 and the Gefen after a power cycle to get the sound to work. Maybe they programmed your Gefen with the wrong Mits EDID. I'm using a Mits WD-73838 EDID and it works great. Contact tru3D and have them offer you a different Gefen programmed with a WD-73838, or if you have access to one yourself, go and reprogram the Gefen. It takes less than a minute to program.

Also, make sure you reset your display settings on the PS3. Do an auto detect with HDMI and it should detect that you have a 3D display and ask whether you want to use 3D and what size TV you have.

I tried all the suggestions but my display from ps3 would notdetect
It said mode not supported
When i used the panny bdt300 it worked great

Hmm that's odd. If you went through the connection steps posted earlier in this thread, I don't understand why it's not working for you. My only guess is that it's the EDID that was programmed into your Gefen. I know when I first tried to get my 3D up and running, it would not work correctly with the Mits WD-65735 DLP I programmed into my Gefen. After I reprogrammed my Gefen with a WD-73838 EDID, it all worked great. If you have access to a WD-73838, reprogram your Gefen and then follow the connection steps. I can pretty much guarantee that will fix you up.

The BDT-300 doesn't require the adaptor since it outputs checkerboard...

I tried the Tru3D adaptor kit with the PS3 and it worked fine with my A750.

Do you have the original 60 gig PS3?

When I tried to play Motorstorm the 3D in menu was not available

Also, I followed steps from tru3d and did not get same results when trying to change Display Settings - it came up 480P, not 1080P

I also used the Viewsonic glasses if that matters?

Can you please let me know the steps again just in case I missed something or PM me.

Thx

Bob

I read a post claiming that if you run the ps3 video setup without the gefen in the mix, ie.. ps3 - 3da-1 - tv. then you will get the correct settings during auto setup, (you won't be able to run 3d until the gefen is put back, but the ps3 will think that all is well). my ps3 gave me lots of trouble, so I don't know exactly what I did to make it work, but I would assume that it was similar to this setup. once it works you have to put the gefen back in. Hope this helps.

I will try again - Thx for the help!

Bob

if you haven't tried this post, this might also help.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post19147011

has anybody figured out how to use software to program the Gefen yet?

I was gonna just ask the sales people at Rent a Center to plug mine in quick. But if there is a better way, I'm all for it.

I am documenting here in case it will help someone else.

I have a Samsung HLT6187S with the 3DC-1000 and a Mitsubishi programmed Gefen HDMI plus.

My source is a PS3 slim. After trying every trick i could including variations of the DirecTV setup options, i could never get past the "not supported mode".

Like several here have hinted at, i took my PS3 slim to the store and talked the salesman into letting me hook it up to a new sony 3d tv. The PS3 immediately said 3d was detected, and i went thru the video setup and make sure it saw a 3d set and saved my tv screen size.

When i returned home, hooked everything up and followed the standard plugin instructions. Once i got into the 3d game and said "play in 3d" the screen went into 3d mode. I hit the samsung 3d button and i was in business!

From what i've read with others owning a hlt6187S, i think enabling 3d on the PS3 with a current gen TV and the plugging into the hlt6187S is the only way to make it work. I am just relieved it finally worked for me.


Also worth noting is that i left the emitter plugged directly into my TV (the emitter cable to the 3DC-1000 is not connected at all) and it worked fine.

I might be in the minority here but with almost a total lack of 3d content, I'm just going to wait until another company releases a converter which doesn't require the gefen work around... also, being able to pass 5.1 to an HDMI 1.3 avr would be swell. I own a HLT5687S and I just don't want to have to jump through all the hoops to get 3d working relatively well with my setup. Here's hoping...

As a side note, as soon as Killzone, Crysis or another good game comes out, I can see myself immediately caving...

I honestly see you waiting a very long time for Samsung to make a converter box. Actually, I doubt they ever will make one. They are trying to sell their new LCD and plasma screens that have 3D technology built right in, so from a business standpoint, it would be pointless to make a converter box for their older DLP TVs. The reason Mitsubishi did it is because they are still in the DLP game. Samsung exited DLP a while ago.

FYI Bob, I have a HL67a750, the mitsu starter kit, and gefen. I got it working with my original 60gb PS3 (launch day PS3). I've since then swapped it out for a new slim model, but I thought I'd confirm that your setup will work.

I programmed the gefen from a Mitsu 737 model. It does take a really specific sequence to get the ps3 to detect 3d, but once it does it will always work (unlike 3d blu-ray players). Make sure you go to Display Settings on the ps3 and have it run an auto detection. From there it may or may not say you have 3D. Also FYI, make sure the ps3 is connected to HDMI 3 on your TV. Thats the only port that supports 3D (just in case you weren't already aware).

Thank you for your help but I returned the kit.

Glad you got it working. May try it out again in near future.

Sincerely

Bob

So I am very new to this and maybe way off. I read about some people having trouble with the monitor on their computers displaying wrong and having to edit the EDID in the computer so couldn't you program computer to output the EDID .bin file that you want to program the detective with and just program it like you would if it was hooked to a TV

Also posted in the TRU3D Adapter KIT for Samsung 3D DLP Thread.

FYI....DIY'ers

I'm sure everyone has been waiting to hear some real results on the TRU3D 3D TV Adapter KIT for Samsung 3D DLP HDTV.

We needed to go through over a hundred units and get some real world cases up and running before releasing information for sanity's sake.

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT IS PARTICIPATING AND HAS PARTICIPATED IN THE EFFORT!

WE ARE CONTINUING THE PRODUCT OFFERING AND HAVE INCREASED INVENTORY.

It is enabling us to do a better job every day and we get closer to offering a better solution with each unit shipped. It is amazing to see Samsung customers that were abandoned providing for other Samsung customers by participating in the Adapter effort.

Our conclusion - amazing reception from those with a keen eye for technical details. A bit of frustration for those wanting simple plug and play with a PS3. Many people don't read every detail and don't even realize that they have to activate 3D mode on their PS3.

I'll keep it candid for the sake of candor on the forum here and hope that it doesn't cost me my job j/j, it's all good honest info.

The results of the KIT thus far TO DATE:

Out of over 100 shipments, only 6 KIT deliveries were a FAIL and were returned for one of the following reasons:
Due to not functioning with some 60Gig PS3 and Samsung DLP combinations
Lack of patience for support in our queue (some customers request calls and get hours on the phone with us about their A/V receiver, etc. we get to everyone though with a little patience)
Expectation of a single plug and play box to appear in the package (didn't read the listing)
Did not own a 3D Capable Samsung (this KIT will not turn any samsung into 3D!)
2 of them came back as defective Gefens.
support case not escellated to have our CTO reach the customer in time for a walk through
attempt to box swap Gefens (buy our kit just to extract and box swap the programmed Gefen for one bought elsewhere) - IF YOU DO THIS TO US, we will refuse your return as it costs honest customers money.

We have had to do cross-ship Gefen exchanges with a few customers to get them running (to provide different scan mode and audio programming than first shipped), but our new front end support approach should prevent it moving forward.

The back-end support load (after shipment) has motivated us to do better front-end preparation coupled with detailed Gefen program management (before shipment) and a new technical writer to do an improved and illustrated installation guide.

For you tech savvy folks: The greatest issue is that the gefen does not perform it's own HDCP ident and this tends to make 3D TV identification inconsistent with certain Sony devices and HR-21 DirecTV boxes that use rigorous HDCP validation with very discreet timing limits. You can successfully activate your DirecTV HR-21, but the install process is about 45 minutes for the average person with a bit of cable and phone juggling. If you have a temper, demand a newer cable box before you install.

We are refining our efforts to do more front-end information gathering from customers before purchase through a check-out survey so that each KIT may be custom programmed to match the modes of the Specific Samsung Model and have the right EDID for the 3D source device identification timings. It is not a simple EDID spoof, there are many variables that we have to manage in delivery.

We consider it a great product for Samsung 3D DLP owners due to it's great reception and the amazing consumer involvement in helping us to build up a clean database of results and find a better way to manage the solution.

Many customers have provided invaluable feed-back and we have now obtained successful cases with almost every cable service provided, but have yet to obtain a Verizon FIOS customer that has installed the KIT with their cable-box and watched a 3D event.

Cable-Box updates:

For Comcast Users with DCX-3400:
Make sure to have all service signals and updates sent prior to installing the kit. if you have Comcast DCX-3400 (a claimed 1080i only box) use the technician settings mode to over-ride output to 1080p after receiving the service signal and it will ease installation. The technician menu may be accessed by holding the Menu+Power button on the front of your DCX-3400, it may take you a few tries to get it right. use caution and call us before you do this to make sure your service is fully prepped. Comcast will not help you to do this step.

Cable Box and Device Results Summary:

Bright house (easy install)
Time Warner (easy install)
Cox (easy install)
Comcast (easy install - NOTE: for DCX-3400, use 1080p mode technician menu over-ride once your 3D channel options appear to get it to work with the 3DA-1)
DirecTV (difficult install that requires the refresh signal be sent during setup and 1080p mode be activated on the cable box)
Panasonic 3D Blu-Ray (obviously non-issue)
Samsung 3D Blu-Ray players (Not Supported YET)
Sony 3D Blu-Ray Players (difficult install)
PS3 Slim (easy install)
PS3 60Gig (can have 3D mode activation issues, varies according to Samsung DLP HDTV model and Gefen program provided by TRU3D. immediate solution that works instantly with the KIT - goto geek squad for free 3D mode activation or send it to us for 3D mode activation, then bring home to plug into your completely installed KIT, we are working these difficulties out)

Also, it may help to know that people have trouble with DirecTV on new model 3D TVs that are on their support list, so don't get too frustrated or instantly blame your DLP. You may simply need to call your cable company and have them re-send the 3d feature activation signal once you're all set up.

We have refined the KIT daily and will be providing updates. It has been a serious under-taking to manage the over 1,000 possible hardware combinations that exist, but the data gathering during our efforts has helped us to refine the effort. The key has been the dedication of the customers that have purchased from us. We have also purchased used Mitsubishi and Samsung 3D DLPs of each series to help us test and configure devices in our dedication to this neglected consumer base.

Send us an email at support@tru3d.com if you have questions.

In response to many positive comments from our KIT customers, if you are still debating about keeping your DLP or going with a new 3DTV:

Yes, your 3D DLP will provide a much better picture than many of the newer 3D TVs that ghost, so don't fall for the pitch to trash your DLP and get a "FULL 1080p 3D" LCD that ghosts just to have access to a few 3D Blu-Rays that are available in "FULL 1080p 3D". Your 3D DLP presents a better picture than the cable-providers are able to deliver, so stick with it and enjoy the crisp and clear 3D without ghosting, residual image, blurring, halos or other 'artifacts'. We've had quite a few customers that were so pleased with the picture in comparison to all but the highest end of new model 3D TVs that they wrote us thank you letters. Basically, unless you want to shell out top dollar for the High-END model of newer 3DTV and are a serious movie buff that demands the absolute best then keep your 3D DLP!

Side-by-Side 1080i is inferior to 3D Checkerboard 1080p, so don't leap at a new TV over a quality gain expectation. Until new 3D TVs are refined at the affordable model level and broadcast boxes are capable of 120hz 1080p 3D output, you are best off keeping your DLP. Side-by-Side 3D packing literally flattens the 3D when compared to above-below 3D packing, we are excluding frame packed for obvious reasons here as Frame packed is the best available. In other words, expect to enjoy above-below content from TRU3D and more above below content from broad casters.

Basis of above below vs. side-by-side comparison is straight forward:
Stereoscopic vision on a television is generated by parallax differences between the left and right eye image. On a 3D television, you are seeing a virtual 3D image with virtual focal points that are generated by the left to right pixel differences between the left and right eye images. With above below, you impact aspect ratio more severly but you retain more pixels that contribute to 3D vision on a television (left to right pixels) and therefore see better rounded, more dimensional objects than half-width side-by-side provides as side-by-side sacrifices left to right pixel image differences. In other words, when comparing a half-width side-by-side picture at 1080p to an half-height above-below picture at 1080p, the side-by-side picture will look more like flat 3D card board pop-up book style object where-as the above-below will have more rounded 3D object definition and detail.

Very soon, ALL Samsung DLP owners will benefit from everyone's efforts and all early purchased KIT owners will be rewarded with free updates, discounts and....new 3D media options!

In a few weeks we will be sending out sneak peek demo disk that can be played in any Blu-Ray player via the KIT, including the PS3. Additionally the disk will be playable by any DVD player that has HDMI output. The response to the demo disk will help us prepare for our upcoming new 3D media release campaign.

Due to the KIT allowing for manual selection of above-below or side-by-side format with any HDMI playback source, we will be catering to 3D DLP HDTV owner content needs with specially prepared above-below disks.

We are currently working out distribution rights for many 2D to 3D conversion titles and much more. If you can help or are in the industry, let us know, we have an amazing 2D->3D offline conversion process that is very fast and impressive and need industry support.

We do not believe that the market should be limited to the slowly released 3D Blu-Ray titles and the tug of war between hardware vs. media demand, so maybe some other media options popping up will push their timelines a bit further forward.

Hey TRU3D007, is there a fix for losing sound from the PS3 via HDMI after a power cycle of the PS3? The workaround I have going right now is to disconnect the Gefen from the TV after I turn my PS3 off and reconnect it after I turn the PS3 on. So far, it's the only way to get the sound to return between my TV and the PS3. I have a 60GB PS3 and I programmed my Gefen with the EDID of WD-73838 Mits DLP. Let me know if you guys have a solution. Thanks.

Quick question - I have an HLT5687S and whenever I put it into 3d mode, the picture automatically changes to Dynamic. Everything looks great but I'm using DLP Link glasses and they lose sync consistantly. I've read that the Dynamic mode on Samsungs can cause issues with DLP Link and so was wondering if there's a way to disable it while in 3d?