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post #31 of 71
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post #32 of 71
So I upgraded my power cord for my receiver, amp and projector and boy did I notice a drastic change. Who would've thought? So I figured why not upgrade my power cords for my other electronics.

First, I upgraded the power cable for my printer. Wow, just wow. The prints are more colorful, the printer prints faster and I no longer have to connect it to my laptop to print. Next, I changed the power cord on my coffee machine. This is a cheap target coffee maker and now with the new power cord when I make Foldgers coffee, it tastes better than Starbucks.

I also upgraded the power cord on my cell phone. Boy, who would've thought. Now my charge lasts for 2 months on standby and 1 month with talking usage. Anyone who is disputing my claims but doesn't want to try it out for themselves, it is your loss.
post #33 of 71
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Originally Posted by VicTorious1 View Post

Next, I changed the power cord on my coffee machine. This is a cheap target coffee maker and now with the new power cord when I make Foldgers coffee, it tastes better than Starbucks.

If you outline the rim of your coffee mug with a green magic marker, you'll get a smoother taste without the bitterness...
post #34 of 71
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Originally Posted by VicTorious1 View PostSo I upgraded my power cord for my receiver, amp and projector and boy did I notice a drastic change. Who would've thought? So I figured why not upgrade my power cords for my other electronics.

First, I upgraded the power cable for my printer. Wow, just wow. The prints are more colorful, the printer prints faster and I no longer have to connect it to my laptop to print. Next, I changed the power cord on my coffee machine. This is a cheap target coffee maker and now with the new power cord when I make Foldgers coffee, it tastes better than Starbucks.

I also upgraded the power cord on my cell phone. Boy, who would've thought. Now my charge lasts for 2 months on standby and 1 month with talking usage. Anyone who is disputing my claims but doesn't want to try it out for themselves, it is your loss.

Coll I changed my power cord this morning and I keep on going......

post #35 of 71
Unbelievable!..
post #36 of 71
The bits go from a Blu-Ray player to a Radiance XS over a cheap 6-foot HDMI cable to a Radiance XS, then another cheap 6-foot HDMI cable to a Gefen FOT, 60 feet if fiber optic cable to another FOT from which there is a Monster Cable not-cheap 6-foot HDMI cable to a Sony Ruby projector. Strangely the picture seems very much like the real-world.

By the way the data path from the camera to the Blu-ray disk is far more complicated than that in my system.
If a digital cable made any difference how do we see excellent pictures after near-innumerable transmissions?

If cable quality beyond a minimal level changed things how do computers work? If you have ever seen inside serious computers and under computer room raised floors you would not find any 6-nines copper or silver wires. And the mess in your equipment cabinet/rack/closet would seem simple, even trivial in comparison. Nor would you give a second thought to HDMI cables other than the quality of their terminations and that they meet basic requirements.
post #37 of 71
This is kind of off topic obviously and there is no mention of HDMI but every one should have a read of...


Display Myths Shattered, how monitor and HDTV manufacturers cook their specs.


Very informative and educational and something everybody should read if one hasn't done so already.


It's on Google of course and the article is written by a PHD chap who has more experience and qualifications than anyone would ever need to comment with conviction.


I can't link from mobile.


It makes for an undeniable (and) fantastic five minutes of reading.
post #38 of 71
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Unbelievable!..

You should make that your signature....to qualify your posts wink.gif
post #39 of 71
Great Forum. I have a Sony 55" 200hz Tv, and a Bose T20 sound system. Went to the shop to buy the Oppo 103 or 105 BluRay. They connected both to the Bose & Tv. the Oppo 105 won hands down.
He then used a $5 HDMI, then AudioQuest Green, Chocolate & Carbon, all separately on my favourite Std DVD's, BlueRays & SACD's.
Without a doubt, in front of my own eyes & ears - the Carbon was better than all others, by a considerable way. Great depth in sound, more defined colours.
It's the price that hurts, but I do want as good as possible!!!
post #40 of 71
Great Forum. I have a Sony 55" 200hz Tv, and a Bose T20 sound system. Went to the shop to buy the Oppo 103 or 105 BluRay. They connected both to the Bose & Tv. the Oppo 105 won hands down.
He then used a $5 HDMI, then AudioQuest Green, Chocolate & Carbon, all separately on my favourite Std DVD's, BlueRays & SACD's.
Without a doubt, in front of my own eyes & ears - the Carbon was better than all others, by a considerable way. Great depth in sound, more defined colours.
It's the price that hurts, but I do want as good as possible!!!
post #41 of 71
More expensive cables (not necessarily megabucks) handle much higher bit rates than $1 cables.

Higher bit rate blu-ray's nowadays - and the mastered in 4K blu-ray's are going to make crap HDMI cabling obsolete (hopefully) at last.

Personally i prefer flat HDMI cables nowadays - 1M length and under.
post #42 of 71
Well im glad im not the only one that believes in better hdmi cables..i tryed aq forest and cinnamon
and the carbon...the carbon is with out a doubt
one of the best hdmi cables i have ever tested
the sound is very transparent ..3 d...awesome detailed picture!.....glad you agree!
Most people think im crazy, and there is nooo
difference in cables.
My eyes and ears know better!
Carbon is definitely top notch!
post #43 of 71
There is a difference. People waffle on about it's a digital signal and it should all be the same - it is - in theory - but the actual cable itself is still analogue regardless wink.gif

The more jitter carried by/because of the crapo cable - the more math the tv/monitor has to do - the more processing/computing it has to use to judge when it arrives to fix the mistakes.

The more mistakes needing corrected the less the image quality - the less the mistakes made the more the tv can actually get down to displaying the image correctly and sharply. (As quickly as possible)
Edited by Stu03 - 9/18/13 at 8:20am
post #44 of 71
I agree 100%!
post #45 of 71
You guys must be right since there was another cable that beat out all of the others...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466144/new-lirpa-labs-ultra-high-speed-hdmi-cables




You know if I tell you that you are spending more money on a cable, I'll bet you'll believe that the cable is better because you spent more money on it. Why would you spend more money on a cable that wasn't better?

A little research might go a long way towards proving or disproving your claim. Remember extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof...

Just because a Blu-Ray Disc is mastered in 4K doesn't mean the output is anything but 1080p/24. Same bitrate no matter how it is mastered (unless you pump up the color bits with Deep Color). Even with Deep Color all of the bandwidth fits within High Speed cable certification.
post #46 of 71
Thread Starter 
All everyone has to do as I did when I originally tested HDMI cables for myself, I went to Best Buy and purchased a number of cables. I then tested them to see if there was any difference, When I discovered that there wasn't to my eyes, I returned them and got my $$$ back.

Why argue. Go test for yourself.
post #47 of 71
Proof is not required. Because no two people are the same and have varying degrees (abilities) of perception. Because one person can not tell the difference - does not prove that the next person won't either. Some people have better more sensitive eyesight (no i'm not saying whoever that can't spot the difference is blind) - some have better hearing etc etc.
post #48 of 71
...and some have better imaginations (as far as HDMI cables which just send 1s and 0s).
post #49 of 71
Every hdmi cable i tryed under 75$ the pic and sound was very close....i was not until i tryed cables from 100-150$ that i noticed right away a very nice improvement in picture and especially sound.
Straightwire super hdmi and
Audioquest carbon....are my top two favs.
post #50 of 71
Yep. The 1s become straighter when you go above $100, while it only takes approximatley $90 for the 0s to become rounder...

Remember it's a digital cable. So, because you truly believe that these cables are changing the 1s and 0s into something better, then it's your preception that is changed by spending more money.

These are voltage representations of 1s and 0s. If they could be made better don't you think your components would do that rather than having a cable make the change? And, the HDMI signal is encrypted which would mean the cable would have to re-encrypt the better signal.

If you are getting errors, then those would show up on the screen as sparkles, lines, screens of a solid color or no picture. Noise produced errors would not line up in such a way to make a coherent image that is dimmer or less sharp or less colorful. Noise produces random errors not a coherent image. This is particularly true with an uncompressed image, which is what is sent down the HDMI cable. Change one pixel and the next pixel is unaffected, assuming that you still pass the encryption tests.

Someone earlier mentioned that the digital signal is really an analog wave. What they failed to mention is that a digital 1 is represented by a range of voltages (not a single voltage) and a digital 0 is represented by a range of voltages (not just 0 Volts). So, even if you had a fluctuation in voltages, the 1s and 0s are still the same. If you break the voltage threshholds then you get errors and again those show up on the screen. Also remember that the video and audio portion of the HDMI signal has no error correction.

So, I'm sure you think you are seeing something but the physics of a digital signal make it impossible. However, it's your money so if it is making you happier then more power to you. Just don't want someone else spend a lot more money and think they will see an improvement.

The mind's perception is interesting. I was reading an article about testing audio interconnects. It was pointed out that changes in air pressure change how your ear responds to audio. So, changing an audio interconnect and having the air pressure change at the same time will result in a perception that the interconnect made a difference when it was actually the air that changed the sound. The same thing should apply to your eyes. I've seen ballplayers open their eyes further to get more light in and to see clearer before a pitch. Same thing is true when comparing video.
Edited by alk3997 - 9/20/13 at 1:37pm
post #51 of 71
Yes..my music DOES sound better when there is a hurricane close to south Florida!
post #52 of 71
I wonder what would happen if Apple made an HDMI cable...Oh wait...I know...

post #53 of 71
And what alk3997 failed to mention is that a cable must be able to (consistently) carry 5V. Not just carry it now and again when luck has it that it gets through properly because again - the processing in the display takes on the burden of needing to correct all the needless mistakes wether anyone likes it or not instead of getting on with the job in hand - which does affect sound and image quality.

But of course no display processing will fix or clean up mistakes if the cable is an utter dud. It just won't display anything - perhaps sound but jittery sound.
Edited by Stu03 - 9/21/13 at 4:10am
post #54 of 71
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

I wonder what would happen if Apple made an HDMI cable...Oh wait...I know...


This is so true. MY wife is one of those. She is on her fourth iPad and on her 3-4th iPhone. Me? I do not have any Apples.



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post #55 of 71
There is no difference in cheap hdmi cables....there all the same cheap thing
try a very good tributarys or aq or straightwire super hdmi.

You will notice a difference in sound and pic.
post #56 of 71
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

There is no difference in cheap hdmi cables....there all the same cheap thing
try a very good tributarys or aq or straightwire super hdmi.

You will notice a difference in sound and pic.

For me and my eyes there was not one bit of difference in PQ. I swapped out my Monoprice (at that time) $3.50 HDMI cable for $150 up to $300 cables, nothing, no difference and one of the cables was from Wireworld which was a straight HDMI cable also no difference.

The next test I want to do is for power cords/cables. I have read great power cords REALLY makes a big difference in PQ and AQ. If so, this $6,899.75 six foot power cord from Audioquest with free shipping will make my soul jump with joy.



http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-NRG-WEL-Signature-Series/dp/B0055OM9WS

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Edited by JimShaw - 9/21/13 at 12:10pm
post #57 of 71
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

There is no difference in cheap hdmi cables....there all the same cheap thing
try a very good tributarys or aq or straightwire super hdmi.

You will notice a difference in sound and pic.
I agree. The difference in sound I hear is me saying "you've gotta be kidding...You paid how much?" And I can picture how embarrassed you look when you realize how much of a waste it was. eek.gif
post #58 of 71
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You will notice a difference in sound and pic.

Do you think the price of coax cable alters the picture and sound quality?
Consider the fact that the material you view and hear with your expensive HDMI cables was produced using coax cable that costs pennies per foot.
post #59 of 71
last night watching the avengers i was cranking up the sound,and noticed a static sound from my front speakers. i plugged in a fiber optic cable and the sound was much better and no static. i am going to upgrade my hdmi cable asap, i have a ixo hdmi cable hooked up right now. next step is to upgrade to an oppo 103 from a samsung 3d bluray player. i wonder if anyone that has cheep hdmi cables has ever cranked up there system to the point where a better cable really counts.rolleyes.gif
post #60 of 71
Do you understand how the audio data is interleaved with the video data?
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